Bad Guy RobbieHamper(elegantreptileimages)

[leaveittoweaver]

Parthenogenesis is not out of the question,as stated by someone else previously.

Possible but highly unlikely. I really doubt that is the case here.

 

[Steve Hamm]

Possible but highly unlikely. I really doubt that is the case here.

Won't know until babies hatch and they are old enough to be sexed or sheds are sent in in from both parent and offspring. But it is not out of the question. Been seeing a lot of parthi litters/clutches over the last few years.
Don't throw it to the wayside as it could be the case here.

 

[Bash]

If she lays again in the next couple of weeks, and those are fertile as well; will it still be Parthenogenesis? Ive read about it in different types of species, but couldn't find any on cresteds.

 

[Crestedlovely]

Does anyone have any links to documented cases of parthenogenesis in crested geckos? I have heard of it in other species, but have not seen any proof that it has occurred with cresteds.

 

[Snake-Queen]

Does anyone have any links to documented cases of parthenogenesis in crested geckos? I have heard of it in other species, but have not seen any proof that it has occurred with cresteds.

When I made my statement that it has been documented in other geckos, I also was unable to find any documented cases in crested geckos. I would like to know where Steve Hamm got his information to state so positively, that parthenogenesis is not out of the question.

 

[Steve Hamm]

When I made my statement that it has been documented in other geckos, I also was unable to find any documented cases in crested geckos. I would like to know where Steve Hamm got his information to state so positively, that parthenogenesis is not out of the question.

When I was referring to partho in other litters/clutches I wasn't specific in saying Cresteds. Just that you can't rule it out. Just because we can't find any documention of it happening cresties doesn't mean it isn't a possibility.
We've seen in it many species of lizards and snakes. So we shouldn't rule it out just yet.

 

[Snake-Queen]

When I was referring to partho in other litters/clutches I wasn't specific in saying Cresteds. Just that you can't rule it out. Just because we can't find any documention of it happening cresties doesn't mean it isn't a possibility.
We've seen in it many species of lizards and snakes. So we shouldn't rule it out just yet.

While it maybe remotely possibly, I seriously doubt that is the case here.

 

[Steve Hamm]

While it maybe remotely possibly, I seriously doubt that is the case here.

Don't rule it out.

 

[Crestedlovely]

I will agree that there is a .001% chance it could be. That's the best I can do. I truly don't believe it to be the case.

 

[Bash]

People can make the mistake of housing a male with a female, most certainly if they have hundreds of geckos, the mistake can be made. and Thats all I Can come up with. I researched parthenogenesis Aswell and found nothing, i do Know that someone said they've ended up with eggs that were fertile then the cheerio faded. It's been a week, and the cheerio is just getting darker now. I haven't spoken with the seller since i replied to her only Email. I'm Hoping she doesn't lay again, Even considering Darkening the windows and changing the temp in my room but dont want it to effect my other gecks. My Scale should be arriving tomorrow. to guesstimate[\b] she looks/feels to be 17-18 grams now, or less.

 

[Snake-Queen]

Poor thing. Is there some kind of food that you can supplement her diet with that will aid in adding weight back? I know that cresteds are small creatures to begin with, but she should be bigger, yes?

 

[leaveittoweaver]

Don't rule it out.

Well until there is an actual documented case of it with Crested Geckos, I personally would rule it out.

I have read cases of it happening with Leachies, Aurics, and Chewies but never cresteds. It's a POSSIBILITY. I'll give you that but I highly doubt that. The fact that there are less Leachies and Chewies in captivity then Cresteds, and there are cases of it happening with Leachies and Chewies but not Cresteds? That just seems weird to me.

To the OP: You might want to look into getting some Pangea Super Fruit Mix, it may help put some weight back on. This was recently suggested to me for my my female who just dropped weight after laying.

 

[Bash]

Well until there is an actual documented case of it with Crested Geckos, I personally would rule it out.

I have read cases of it happening with Leachies, Aurics, and Chewies but never cresteds. It's a POSSIBILITY. I'll give you that but I highly doubt that. The fact that there are less Leachies and Chewies in captivity then Cresteds, and there are cases of it happening with Leachies and Chewies but not Cresteds? That just seems weird to me.

To the OP: You might want to look into getting some Pangea Super Fruit Mix, it may help put some weight back on. This was recently suggested to me for my my female who just dropped weight after laying.

I will order it tonight! she has found no interest in crix or phoenix worms, but does eat her CGD. But In the one email i got, i was told she got fed only crix that were supplemented with calcium & Repashy.. She hasn't the slightest interest in them now though.

thanks for the heads up on the super fruit mix though! Gonna get that now.

 

[Bash]

Poor thing. Is there some kind of food that you can supplement her diet with that will aid in adding weight back? I know that cresteds are small creatures to begin with, but she should be bigger, yes?

yes, there are live foods like crix, dubia nypmhs, phoenix worms. But she seems to have no interest in live food. =\

When i got her when she was still gravid, she was 28.6 grams. A breeding female should at the minimum be 35 grams.

 

[lauraleellbp]

Well until there is an actual documented case of it with Crested Geckos, I personally would rule it out.

I have read cases of it happening with Leachies, Aurics, and Chewies but never cresteds. It's a POSSIBILITY. I'll give you that but I highly doubt that. The fact that there are less Leachies and Chewies in captivity then Cresteds, and there are cases of it happening with Leachies and Chewies but not Cresteds? That just seems weird to me.

To the OP: You might want to look into getting some Pangea Super Fruit Mix, it may help put some weight back on. This was recently suggested to me for my my female who just dropped weight after laying.

I agree. And IDK actual stats, but I'm sure there are at least thousands of cresties for every singe one of the combined number of leachies, chewies, and gargs, and they are profoundly more prolific, so the fact that NO ONE has documented parthenogenesis IMO really does make that extremely unlikely to factor into this situation.

My own 2 cents- the OP only has herself to blame for the obvious physical deformities, as she did buy the gecko in person.

However, the gravid situation is something else, as with those deformities this girl is at even more physical risk in passing eggs than just being underweight. I really really hope she doesn't end up eggbound, with that twisted pelivs. It would not be possible for a female crested to lay fertile eggs within 48 hours of being introduced to a male even if the OP was NOT keeping her separated from the rest of her collection... (average is 30-60 days after a male is introduced, and even then often the first clutch is infertile).

IMO Robbie did not respond very professionally to that part of the issue, and that is the unresolved portion that goes against her reputation.

Clearly the seller was upset and not inclined to believe the OP based on the intial upset email exchanges, but IMO the OP has presented some solid evidence (I don't think it would be possible to present CONCLUSIVE evidence in this particular situation) that the gecko is in fact not a virgin and is laying fertile eggs, and thus there WAS a fault and misrepresentation on the part of the seller, and IMO is still an opportunity for better customer service from the seller here.

 

[Steve Hamm]

Well I guess all that can be done is if/when these eggs hatch and you're able to catch the babies in shed and obtain shed from them and there mother(before its gone). Is to send those sheds to Dr. Warren Booth to determine if it is or isn't a case of parthogenesis. Unless you hear different from Robbie or you bred the female that is the only other way this female would lay fertile eggs. Yes,no?

 

[Snake-Queen]

Well I guess all that can be done is if/when these eggs hatch and you're able to catch the babies in shed and obtain shed from them and there mother(before its gone). Is to send those sheds to Dr. Warren Booth to determine if it is or isn't a case of parthogenesis. Unless you hear different from Robbie or you bred the female that is the only other way this female would lay fertile eggs. Yes,no?

Here is a question for you, since you are so set on it being parthenogenesis ... is Dr. Booth going to do the DNA tests for free? If not, are you going to pay for the tests?

While I think it would be wonderful for the OP to have the first documented case of parthenogenesis in a crested gecko, I stand by my original opinion that it is HIGHLY unlikely.

Ashley, I hope she puts on weight for you & you get the food that was recommended soon and she likes it.

In this case, the seller really needs to post here what happened with this gecko in reference to the eggs. That the seller state she was a virgin is a gross misstatement on her part. If I was in to cresties (I think they are cute) I would not be buying from her, no matter how much experience she has. She will not answer Ashley's emails, even to give a possible scenario as to how the gecko became pregnant. She has ignored this thread, which doesn't look good on her part.
The only person who can answer the questions is the seller & she is pretending none of this is happening. For this reason alone, she would be a seller I would not do business with.

 

[Steve Hamm]

Here is a question for you, since you are so set on it being parthenogenesis ... is Dr. Booth going to do the DNA tests for free? If not, are you going to pay for the tests?

I'm not set on it,just saying not to rule it out. Which is what you all are doing.

 

[Crestedlovely]

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably not a kangaroo. I do not think that it's possible that this is a case of anything other than a careless breeder.

 

[Snake-Queen]

We are going with the odds here Steve. I don't mean dismiss your idea, but the likely hood that it is parthenogenesis is so astronomical I don't have any numbers for it.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is a duck.
Fertile eggs from a crested gecko with absolutely NO documentation of parthenogenesis in cresteds means one thing in my opinion ... it was with a male who bred her. So yes, I am dismissing it as a possibility in this case.