if you could find a home for for your normal, where he could receive all the attention instead of a fraction, wouldn't you rather it had that then a life in a rack?
Steve said that normal was a PET...are you really insinuating that, because he utilizes a rack for convenience and space consideration, his pet would receive more attention and have a better life elsewhere??
i would rather someone buy it at a real discount and appreciate it to its fullest, than to have it just being maintained here.
What does the price paid have to do with how much an animal is appreciated? Besides, your statement has been that while he's in his enclosure he's fine...so one could easily try to argue that life in a rack, being left alone (aside from routine care), would be better for him than being in a place where he is routinely sent flailing and twisting because somebody is "appreciating" him.
iguess i'll cut the price more cause apparantly $275 shipped for a full grown animal witha defect is unreasonable. regular breeder sized males sell for what nowadays? 400, 500, 600?
Last year, when I realized that my male spider was actually female (yeah, I know, I hadn't checked before), I did some looking. At that time, 2-4 yr old males were advertised anywhere from $400 shipped to $500 obo. I didn't buy one because I didn't find any that had the look I wanted.
if i was in it for the money don't you think i woul've just sold him as a "breeder spider" and tried to get full price. i have him priced low, if i gave him away would that appease you?
For me, personally, I wouldn't care if you were asking full price...or if you gave him away. As I have already said, it's your snake - you can sell it for any reason you choose, and at whatever price you deem reasonable.
If you were to sell it as a "breeder", WITHOUT disclosing the degree of wobble, I would think negatively of you (not that THAT means a whole lot of anything). The difference is that being honest about the condition garners you at least some level of support....just because I have stated where our views differ, and why
I (and many others) would not be interested in that animal, does not mean that I am "against" you.
every one knows that a ball can get to breeding size within 18 months or so. when i was keeping balls as pets, i didn't have them on a power feeding schedule.
FWIW, there is no reason to have balls on a power feeding schedule just because you are breeding them now. What is the main goal of an accelerated feeding schedule, if not to get the animals to breeding size sooner? That would seem contrary to some of your other statements here.
So wobbler and non-wobbler Spiders can, theoretically, produce the same percentages of wobbler and non-wobbler offspring.
I honestly don't know where the percentages would fall, but I have heard anecdotal accounts which would seem to indicate that there is some benefit to breeding solid nonwobblers...and that breeding severe wobblers produces a higher proportion of wobbling offspring. Most people that breed severe wobblers aren't really upfront about it, though....either that, or it isn't as common as some would have us think.
So what's with those breeding non-wobblers being all fine and dandy but those who breed wobblers the scum of the Earth? Without additional research, we have no idea if we can even somewhat breed out the wobble problem.
Granted, not breeding wobblers might be a step in the right direction, but I don't see why people look down their noses at those who breed wobblers.
he latter part of your first statement seems to indicate that people haven't been trying, or that this is a somewhat new situation (well, in the big picture, it IS relatively new - spiders have been around for, what?, maybe 10 yrs?). A lot of people care enough to look for rock solid animals for their breeding projects...and a lot of people don't. It really is too soon to say if it can be reduced through selective breeding because most people aren't doing multi-generational studies. Also, as evidenced by the animal we have been discussing, some spiders start to demonstrate the problem a couple years down the road (from what I've heard, breeding is a common trigger).
As to the attitudes you see when this subject comes up, it boils down to what people think is best for the hobby as a whole. Many people don't like to see others cutting corners, as it reflects negatively on snake breeders as a group. Promoting the breeding of a flawed animal, just because it CAN breed is something to be discouraged. Liken it to breeding a dog with hip dysplasia, or any breed specific problem (not the best example, I know, but it gets the point across).
I don't put much stake in "anecdotal accounts," though I wouldn't be surprised if non-wobblers produced more non-wobblers. Not meaning offense in any way, shape, or form--it's just the scientist in me. 