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Bad Guy sharlaxle--Chamtastic Chameleons

Dennis Hultman said:
That's fine disagree if you wish.

Reading her ad she is pretending that it is from one of her clutches. That's my perception and I don't think it is wrong.
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How? Tell me how that she is pretending it is from one of her clutches? She posts pics of eggs in June then a 5mo old chameleon in July. She then has babies hatching in Oct, Nov, and December and posts sire pics in January and February. You read her facebook page too fast you then misread her thread on the other forum and accused of flipping a chameleon in 4 days. You were so eager to "bust" her you screwed up. Now you are falling back to the well its my opinion so I am right routine. Good luck with that. Like I said find some proof she said she hatched that guy out and I am right with you so far there isn't any.
 
I agree with Dennis, the ad insinuates that she bred this animal. "One" of the boys when in fact it's the only one makes it seem as if she has a whole clutch. She then proceeds to tell how she likes to keep them until they're six months when she really has no idea how old it is really. No she didn't post a pic of a sire but I'm willing to bet if someone interested asked for one, she had plenty to send apparently.
 
kerrek said:
How exactly does that mean she hatched it herself? What is she supposed to say here is one of the boys that I bought from another breeder at a week old raised up and is ready to go?

I wouldn't do business with her because she looks so stupid trying to say that picture was hers and that the 2 Chameleons just look alike. There isn't any doubt unless your blind she swiped the picture.

Dennis was completely wrong with his accusation that she only had the cham for 4 days. Plenty of people who resell animals don't say they got it from someone else when they sell it. I have sold plenty of chameleons that were resold and nobody put my info in the ad. I'm fine with hammering her for the pic stealing she deserves it and then trying to deny it was dumb but attacking her for things she didn't do is BS and it happens on here a lot.
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I didnt say it meant she hatched it herself, I said thats how she made it sound, and I dont think that was an accident. She said "one of the boys.." which implies a group or a clutch. This was 1 individual cham that she had purchased from another breeder. So, I believe, if she wanted to be truthful, she could have said, "this boy.."

At this point, I dont think it matters. I dont think she will come back and comment on this thread. There is no way for her to continue feign ingnorance over these accusations. And I dont see her coming clean.

I can see Dennis' point in posting this information, it may not be damning evidence on its own, but when shown with the evidence of the picture stealing, I believe it shows motive to deceive.

Not to say I dont see your side Derek, the picture stealing and lying is probably enough to stear clear. Theres little reason to add kerosene to the flames.
 
chazzz said:
Not necessarily, Dennis might have been wrong about when she purchased the chameleon, and that's a big MIGHT. She hasn't shown the most honest behavoir so who knows when she actually purchased the chameleon. Aside from that on July 16th she posted a query about the cham questioning whether or not it was a nosy be. Then on July 20th she placed an ad for the cham selling it as one that she bred or at least that's the way it comes across. She said she only had this one from that breeder and it was her first Nosy be if that's what it was. Then in her ad with the same photo she says "One of the boys just about ready to go" which means there's others. She didn't state in her ad that she purchased the cham as a Nosy be but had her doubts. Even though 4 days earlier she was racking her brain over the ID of this chameleon. There is definitely red flags waving in the air around that ad.

Dennis's posts have everything to do with this! Yes the thread was started because she stole photos and was using them to sell her animals. Then she even tried as hard as she could to claim that was her photo and chameleon. This thread clearly shows her character and that she has no problem skewing the truth or lie to help her sales. Any info related to the person in question as a seller or buyer is on topic it doesn't have to only address the stolen photos.
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She states quite clearly in her post she got the chameleon at a week old if you read a little farther in the post

Thanks everyone, while I'm not a stranger to baby raising, these guys were a serious challenge. Shipping stress really took a toll. However he and his sister are doing well.
Chasesoda I have been trying to contact his seller as she does owe me 2 more, but needless to say after months of excuses on why she didn't ship this week she has fallen off the face of the planet. I honestly have not had good luck with trying to find chams online, so I have restricted myself to 3 breeders.
Oh well. I need a new nosey male, so this guy is not going to work for me I will say he is coloring up really nicely though
Thanks all I just needed for other eyes to confirm my suspicions.
sharl
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Every person I have ever sold a chameleon to asks its lineage. like I said if she told anybody directly that she bred it you guys are right there is no evidence of that.

Below are all ads of chameleons I produced and sold to someone else who then resold them. No where in the ads does he say he got them from me so that makes him a bad guy? I know he told anybody who asked where they came from because I got a lot of emails from his buyers confirming it. Josh is great to sell to and buy from other than his mean chameleons (you can find that thread on your own).

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=446625&highlight=high+white

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=432971&highlight=high+white

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=438172&highlight=high+white
 
kerrek said:
Now you are falling back to the well its my opinion so I am right routine. Good luck with that.
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OK. Thanks for wishing me luck in believing my opinion is correct. I don't know if I would call it a routine but I can change my opinion if I come to the conclusion that I was wrong.

At least one other read it the same way that posted here. People can decided for themselves.

The ad is here to read. If I am mistaken then I am. Others can decide for themselves.
 
Patrick@ColorfulCreatures said:
I agree with Dennis, the ad insinuates that she bred this animal. "One" of the boys when in fact it's the only one makes it seem as if she has a whole clutch. She then proceeds to tell how she likes to keep them until they're six months when she really has no idea how old it is really. No she didn't post a pic of a sire but I'm willing to bet if someone interested asked for one, she had plenty to send apparently.
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You are assuming, and you know what they say about assuming. She is a picture thief and not a very good one no doubt about it. But because you assume something about her ad that isn't her fault.
 
The reason josh isnt a bad guy is he told people where they came from if asked. He also doesn't have a pattern of stealing pics and representing them as his sire. Regardless of who bred them as long as the correct info is being passed along that's fine. She directly represented a stolen picture as her sire on her website and therefore everything she posts is suspect especially after trying to argue that fact when called out by the actual owner.
 
I'm with Dennis.....she made it sound like she produced babies & the one pictured was one of those babies. Her wording, while not decisive & clear, was absolutely leaning towards that assumption.
 
kerrek said:
She states quite clearly in her post she got the chameleon at a week old if you read a little farther in the post
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I know when she said she got the chameleon I also know she tried to pass off bogus proof claiming that photo and cham was hers.

My point was 4 days prior to placing her ad she was requesting insight from others about the very cham she was selling because she had doubts about what it was. And if she had her doubts don't you think that should be disclosed in her ad?
 
Check out the 'About" section of Chamtastic on their webpage:


C​hamtastic Ch​ameleons
Healthy Captive Raised and Hatched Panther Chameleons
As a small breeder I strive to raise a healthy animal. From hatchling to adult I take the time to ensure each animal is in the best of health before they leave. With a team of veterinarians to support me and using leading research into the husbandry and genetics I strive to produce the healthiest, happiest, and most colorful chameleons possible. Several Chameleons ready for a new home!

I'm with Dennis, reading the ad makes me think that she produced this little critter she pictured.
 
With a team of veterinarians to support me and using leading research into the husbandry and genetics I strive to produce the healthiest, happiest, and most colorful chameleons possible.
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I would laugh if this was not just hyperbole (at best).
 
My impression of the ad for the young animal Dennis linked to is that it was meant to convey the notion that it was something she produced even if not explicitly stated.

It would have been nice to include the background confusion to a degree *if* she was not sure what it was. I do that if it applies. Few people would like those kinds (genetics, lineage, and so on) of surprises and I would not want any of my offerings to be avoidably misrepresented.
 
My impression of the ad for the young animal Dennis linked to is that it was meant to convey the notion that it was something she produced even if not explicitly stated.

It would have been nice to include the background confusion to a degree *if* she was not sure what it was. I do that if it applies. Few people would like those kinds (genetics, lineage, and so on) of surprises and I would not want any of my offerings to be avoidably misrepresented.
 
Even without knowledge of chams, it's obvious the OP's pic and her "Carrots" were not the same animal, the pattern may be very similar but the thickness of the bars is vastly different. I'm glad she apologized and hopefully this situation is a lesson well learned - photo theft is serious, misrepresenting animals is serious. How can people have faith to buy from someone if they cannot trust that the lineage information being given is accurate?

Boa_Morphs82 said:
I'm with Dennis on this one as well, the wording on the ad comes across as she produced this animal.
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:iagree: that's exactly how I interpret the wording of the ad as well.
 
I will start with my opinion. I don't think Kerri is a "Bad Guy." I think she is very unprofessional to use someone else's picture, and clearly it doesn't look good to lie about it. There can be lots of similar chameleons out there, and if you own a lot maybe a mistake like that is possible? That doesn't seem possible to me, but I can't assume everyone is as diligent as I am. Certainly a flag was worth sending up, but not one of condemnation. Bottom line, I think I would still do business with her at this point.

1. I'm not sure why the choice was made to use someone else's photo. If Carrots was in fact the sire, he was similar enough to just use the right picture.

2. Although it's evident she didn't know what she had with the young male, I don't see anywhere that she claims to know. If she raised him from "a week old," then he would feel like "one of the boys." Without seeing a place where she clearly claims to have produced him or pictures of the sire tied to him, it doesn't make any difference whether or not we infer that she did produce him. Not to mention, it's just a picture on her page that states she is going to sell him soon (probably after she got some more clarity on what he was going to look like, and some opinions from others on what locale he could be).
 
SoCalAce said:
I will start with my opinion. I don't think Kerri is a "Bad Guy." I think she is very unprofessional to use someone else's picture, and clearly it doesn't look good to lie about it.
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So stealing a picture and then lying about it doesn't make a "Bad Guy"? Maybe you should enlighten us as to what does make a "Bad Guy". What is to keep her from lying to you when you do business with her? If her lying wouldn't bother you in a transaction, I have some beautiful beachfront property here in North Georgia. Beach at your feet and mountains at your back. Also a couple of bridges...
 
Lucille said:
Check out the 'About" section of Chamtastic on their webpage:


C​hamtastic Ch​ameleons
Healthy Captive Raised and Hatched Panther Chameleons
As a small breeder I strive to raise a healthy animal. From hatchling to adult I take the time to ensure each animal is in the best of health before they leave. With a team of veterinarians to support me and using leading research into the husbandry and genetics I strive to produce the healthiest, happiest, and most colorful chameleons possible. Several Chameleons ready for a new home!

I'm with Dennis, reading the ad makes me think that she produced this little critter she pictured.
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Her whole MO stinks, grading from direct misrepresentation through theft to false inferences.
 
Perhaps it's because I read an hour worth of BOI threads today, that I'm not ready to put her in the Bad Guy category. There are people that are out to lie, cheat and steal to make a buck, and then there are people that are running a business that aren't quite "business" people. She has what appears to be a small amount of Panthers and a cost free web-site. Is she taking care of her animals and ensuring that her customers are getting happy healthy chameleons? I'm pretty sure she isn't working under several aliases. She immediately responded to the accusation. However foolish her initial response was, she has since made right with a repeated apology, the removal of the stolen image, and has also shared this article on her Facebook page with an apology to the people whom have deposits on the offspring.

I don't know why she had a copy of Raphael's chameleon on her computer in the first place, but when I put the picture she stole and a picture of "Carrots" side by side, they are near identical. Which makes me wonder, why would she knowingly use a picture of someone else's chameleon, when in fact she owns one that looks almost exactly the same?

Maybe I am naive on this one, but I hope the worst deal any of us face, is the difference in whether Carrots or Raphael's male is the sire of our purchase.

David, that kind of response isn't necessary. Not to mention that joke is getting old.
 
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