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[Southern Wolf]

So the entire source of your vendetta against SYR is not what they do as a business but the fact they instructed people to not properly label their packages according to your interpretation of Lacey and 50 CFR.

Actually somewhere in this thread a person posted that they were instructed to tell the shipping center it was a plant in the box not a snake.

 

[NocturnalNature]

A few of the key opponents to SYR appears to have missed my post so I'll ask again.
How many FedEx account holders have shipped to residential addresses despite this being against their policy?

 

[Southern Wolf]

im not sure i get this. if your selling a snake(or whatever) to somebody it would seem your gonna wanna pack it good regardless of whose account your using as it will still reflect back on you as the seller. seems like a good enough reason to try hang someone out on the BOI if something happens to your purchase (a live animal) due to shoddy packing.

not saying it cant happen but it just seems to me your gonna want to protect yourself from having to replace/refund someone instead of saving a few bucks w/ crappy packing.

How many folks have we busted on here that had crappy packaging. Now how many of them shipped on their own certified account?

The point is... If Im willing to take the time to get certified then Im more than likely willing to take the time to make sure my package is packed properly.

If Im too lazy to get my own certification then I COULD be too lazy to do the right thing by packaging. Now Im not saying everyone that doesn't have their own account is too lazy to package it right. BUT I would be willing to bet those that are too lazy to package it correctly doesn't have their own account and certification.

 

[Southern Wolf]

That's not exactly accurate. Robyn is not blocked from posting on this site and can make his own choices about where he posts and what he posts. As long as he does so withing the rules, of course.

My exact statement referenced to above is as follows:


The thread where this statement was made is here -> http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179137

Thanks Rich for posting that. Here is the part that I remembered.

Well, it certainly rubbed me the wrong way to see Robyn's apparent opinion of this site expressed like he did.

Since I'm sure Robyn is reading this thread, I think I should make a policy statement about helping him in the future such as I did when he called me about this "waiver" that people are concerned about again. In short, Robyn, don't come to me for help again. For anything.

I mistook the part I bolded as he wasn't welcome here.

I apologize Robyn for mis-speaking.

 

[NocturnalNature]

Kevin,
Since you seem to be quite passionate about this issue as well as an honest fellow I will pose my question to you.
Have you ever used your account to ship to a residential address?

 

[deborahbroadus]

Kevin,
Since you seem to be quite passionate about this issue as well as an honest fellow I will pose my question to you.
Have you ever used your account to ship to a residential address?

What does this have to do with anything? If anyone did or didn't, they aren't risking any accounts but their own. They aren't trying to get rich by attempting to pull the wool over thousands of eyes. I fail to see how this is even a point.

 

[NocturnalNature]

What does this have to do with anything? If anyone did or didn't, they aren't risking any accounts but their own. They aren't trying to get rich by attempting to pull the wool over thousands of eyes. I fail to see how this is even a point.

Its quite relevant. Several members have posted about how SYR could cost the hobby its ability to ship snakes through FedEx. If enough "account holders" disregard the terms of their contract could this also not have a cumulative effect?

 

[Southern Wolf]

Kevin,
Since you seem to be quite passionate about this issue as well as an honest fellow I will pose my question to you.
Have you ever used your account to ship to a residential address?

I dont know... I dont google map the address's as they come in.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Its quite relevant. Several members have posted about how SYR could cost the hobby its ability to ship snakes through FedEx. If enough "account holders" disregard the terms of their contract could this also not have a cumulative effect?

Let me also point out... that in the eyes of the gov and IRS I AM a business. I have filed the paperwork and I pay the taxes. I also live out in the country so I dont have to deal with the zoning BS.... but I run the business out of the house.

I am still a business though.

 

[John E Dove]

Since I keep getting the notifications of posts to this old thread, not a complaint, I guess I will throw in this old mans view point.

SYR is not an Ogre nor a saint here. Robyn was not in this for the industry any more than he was in it to rip people off. He was keeping the almighty dollar first and formost in his mind and tried to do something similar to Ripoffster but without the total scam that destroyed them.

I'll admit up front I have no use for Robyn and his company because of a deal where he showed his words mean nothing, But there was no loss on either side beyond me tying up funds I could have used elsewhere for about 10 months before I finally pried out of him the deal was a no go.

The bottom line here is robyn wanted another grab at the dollar he did not need to really work for and it was eventually exposed and ended by the companies he was using.

Less than honorable? Yes.
A total crook or bad guy? No.
Just another gray person who cannot be trusted farther than you can throw them.

Use his account if you want but if you have a problem don't blame anyone but yourself.

 

[NocturnalNature]

Let me also point out... that in the eyes of the gov and IRS I AM a business. I have filed the paperwork and I pay the taxes. I also live out in the country so I dont have to deal with the zoning BS.... but I run the business out of the house.

I am still a business though.

I have no doubts you are a business, I simply wonder if all your packages are being shipped to businesses as per your contracts terms. I chose to ask you because you consistantly talk about "lazy" people yet you readily admit you do not Google the address to see if you are within the guidelines of your agreement? If FedEx determined that the majority of their aproved shippers ignored this stipulation and changed their policy would you be partly to blame?
With all the talk about SYR having the potential to cause the loss of shipping priviledges for the hobby I find it a bit amusing that people tend to overlook their own distortion of company policy.
It's very easy to be critical of others but somewhat more difficult to be critical of oneself.

 

[ed hummel]

How many folks have we busted on here that had crappy packaging. Now how many of them shipped on their own certified account?

The point is... If Im willing to take the time to get certified then Im more than likely willing to take the time to make sure my package is packed properly.

If Im too lazy to get my own certification then I COULD be too lazy to do the right thing by packaging. Now Im not saying everyone that doesn't have their own account is too lazy to package it right. BUT I would be willing to bet those that are too lazy to package it correctly doesn't have their own account and certification.

to be honest with you i really dont recall reading any, but then that doesnt mean a whole lot as most of the old threads ive read have been the more juicy ones, and as youve been around here a good deal longer then i, i am sure you would know better then i if its an ongoing problem, thank you for the answer.

 

[ed hummel]

I have no doubts you are a business, I simply wonder if all your packages are being shipped to businesses as per your contracts terms. I chose to ask you because you consistantly talk about "lazy" people yet you readily admit you do not Google the address to see if you are within the guidelines of your agreement? If FedEx determined that the majority of their aproved shippers ignored this stipulation and changed their policy would you be partly to blame?
With all the talk about SYR having the potential to cause the loss of shipping priviledges for the hobby I find it a bit amusing that people tend to overlook their own distortion of company policy.
It's very easy to be critical of others but somewhat more difficult to be critical of oneself.

is it up to the shipper to know if where he is shipping is a resident or business. i havent bought anything in a while but the last snakes i purchased came from florida, and the seller couldnt ship them to me because i was in a residential area according to fed ex, which lead me to believe that fed ex determines what areas the consider to be business or residential. i could be totally wrong but it seems to me it would be up to fed ex to tell the shipper that its business or residential.

 

[KelliH]

A few of the key opponents to SYR appears to have missed my post so I'll ask again.
How many FedEx account holders have shipped to residential addresses despite this being against their policy?

If someone did this they might be afraid to admit it here. They might be afraid that some of the people posting in this thread would call Fed Ex and report them.

And Kevin... if you are shipping to a residential address you are breaking the terms of service of Fed Ex. It does not matter if you, or the person you ship to is a registered business or not. It is against Fed Ex TOS to ship to any residential addresses, period.

 

[ed hummel]

again i ask, how is the seller to know if they are shipping to a residential or business address?

 

[NocturnalNature]

If someone did this they might be afraid to admit it here. They might be afraid that some of the people posting in this thread would call Fed Ex and report them.

And Kevin... if you are shipping to a residential address you are breaking the terms of service of Fed Ex. It does not matter if you, or the person you ship to is a registered business or not. It is against Fed Ex TOS to ship to any residential addresses, period.

Thanks Kelli.
Thats part of the point I was trying to make.

 

[KelliH]

again i ask, how is the seller to know if they are shipping to a residential or business address?

When using the Fed Ex online shipping program, the program is able to determine by the address whether the address is zoned residential or commercial.

 

[ed hummel]

When using the Fed Ex online shipping program, the program is able to determine by the address whether the address is zoned residential or commercial.

thank you kelli

 

[NocturnalNature]

again i ask, how is the seller to know if they are shipping to a residential or business address?

Perhaps by asking their customer or doing a little bit of internet homework.
Most people who are operating a business tend to pick a name for their establishment or at least add "Reptiles" to the end of their name to give the impression that it is a business and not a hobby.
Personally I think its nit picking however as I mentioned I find it somewhat amusing when people rally to arms against a perceived threat when they very well may be a threat themselves.

 

[Skiploder]

If someone did this they might be afraid to admit it here. They might be afraid that some of the people posting in this thread would call Fed Ex and report them.

And Kevin... if you are shipping to a residential address you are breaking the terms of service of Fed Ex. It does not matter if you, or the person you ship to is a registered business or not. It is against Fed Ex TOS to ship to any residential addresses, period.

Yeah.....

A lot of people who've bloviated in the past about SYR, RE, UPS and have stood on the soap box beating their chests and rending their hair about other people potentially ruining their shipping privileges ship residential. That also goes for the proper labeling procedures........I have not exactly seen across the board adherence to that either.

How do I know? I've does business with them. They've sold me some real nice animals, packed 'em up real spiffy-like and they've never done me wrong, but if we're talking percentages here, I'd say in the last three years the only person I've done business with who refuses to ship residential and labels correctly is one - Jeff Mohr - and no one has ever asked if my home address is a viable business address.

I'm talking in excess of 15 certifiable good guys here and many more who are fairly well known in the trade. So if the new criteria for being a good and honorable business man is adhering to all of Fed Ex's rules and not pissing in the punch bowl - most people ain't gonna make the cut.

I figure if Fed Ex was really up on the ball, everyone who has shipped to me in the past with the exception of one or two individuals was not adhering to the rules.

Hell, I figure if we really wanted to stir the pot around here, why don't we ask customers of some of the more opinionated people here if they've ever received a Fed Ex shipment to their residential address or better yet, if the box was labeled correctly.

Having said that, getting Fed Ex certified is ridiculously easy and even factoring in Delta Dash, it's the last convenient option open to us. I have no faith in either PE or Fed Ex to deal with potential issues if they come up. Rationally, I'd like to think that PE is able to transfer liability to the person who uses their services. On the same token, I'd like to think that if something goes wrong here, Fed Ex is hip enough to leave all the, ahem, rule abiding individually certified shippers alone.