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THE SNAKE PIT WAS BURGLARIZED *AGAIN* LAST NIGHT!!

Pardon my last somewhat flip post. I was only trying to make a point in a smart@ss way. All are very high profile cases that continue to this day. Yet they still have a better chance of being solved than this. Even funnier, there is even less proof in those cases. This whole ordeal has kind of a "Area 51"ish feel to it. A ton of people claim to have seen and heard this and that. Yet, for all their talk, they have no SOLID EVIDENCE to back up any of their claims.
 
Dave,

You've offered no proof for your assertions other than to cite unnamed sources as "witnesses" to the scene after the burglary.  However, I have a question for you.  IF things are the way you state in your last post, why aren't the police in Tampa looking at this last burglary as an "inside job" and investigating everyone with a key as serious suspects?

After all, the scenario you've established all but eliminates an outside entry via the window.  That would mean that a key was needed to get into the store.  Also, if the cage is that heavy, there must have been more than one perpetrator to this crime.  Who are the police looking at in this?

Now, if this info you've given us is wrong, that would help to explain Neil not having the police on him for this last burglary.  But, if you're correct in your assertions, I would think that ANYONE with a key would be suspicious for certain.
 
Maybe it is just me, but if that cage was moved 18 inches from the window, that is plenty of room for someone to fit through.  I sure know I could fit in an 18 inch space(experience from being stuffed in a locker or two back in high school <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'> ), and anyone of slim to average build should be able to fit through a gap that big.  

And if the cage is so massive that Dave can't move it(and having met him before, Dave IS a big guy), it would take a crew to do it, unless they had some good way to pry it forward...

Maybe the robbers had someone inside pulling and someone outside pushing? <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>
 
Darin...Obviously, you haven't gained that 100 IQ points, yet...have you??? OK...I'll type r e a l   s l o w so even YOUR feeble little brain can understand this (I doubt it, but, I'll give it a try anyway)...

There wasn't just a VCR sitting on a shelf...there was a 4-camera converter of some kind, there was a relay switch thing, and a seperate converter box, there was the VCR underneathe all of that, and there was a whole mess of wires....ok...now Darin...pay close attention....
The VCR was on, and recording....because there was so much other stuff sitting on top of the VCR, AND it was taping...the VCR was ripped off the shelf, letting all the stuff on top of it just fall to the floor, and the wires were left dangling....it was then brought outside where it was smashed on the ground and the tape taken....did you understand all that...or am I going to have to repeat it again....Neil
That's as nice (and as sarcastic) as I can say it!
 
Real classy, Neil. What was the purpose? Do you feel better now? Obviously, you feel that Darin attacked you. So you go off and attack him. Attack his intelligence level. What the he!! is your problem? Where in Darin's post was anything said to justify your attacking him? Huh? Answer that. He!!, it's an easy one. What, if we don't follow blindly or don't praise you, are we then stupid? Defending yourself is one thing. But that? What the he!! was that about? Let me let you in on a little something. Your facade is rapidly falling away. You know, I don't care what you think about me. That was uncalled for. Dave may be right about one thing after all. Behind all the witty remarks and sayings, there just might be a darker side to you after all. And it is becoming readily apparent.
 
Why did I type it like that?? Simple! I am tired of AFTER having answered these questions numerous times before, nobody seems to be able to remember that I HAVE answered them and they keep asking and asking and asking the same questions over and over and over....if you can't understand the answer...don't blame me! And I'm sure that you, John, are always even-tempered, huh.... recent past experience tells me better....
If I wanted to...I can post a FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE email of all the lies being told here from someone who can give loads of REAL proof RIGHT NOW....but, I'm going to wait till HE/SHE posts it so you can see it's coming from HIS/HER email and not something that I might have set up!! Wait for it....it'll be here before you know it! THEN, we'll talk again! ....Neil
 
Ok many of you folks may not know who I am; however I had a specialty reptile and fish store here in Tampa FL.. from 1997 untill 2002  I was forced to file for bankruptcy last month and I no am longer doing business as a reptile trader and do not care one way or the other what happens to the Snake Pit, Lawson or any other local or not trader. I opened my store in a attempt to put the Snake Pit out of business and was sucsesfull, forcing Robert to sell, unfortunatlly Neil purchased it.. I say this because  Neil is at the least as big a crook as Robert was (I think he is in jail now,  Robert that is!)  Neil will not be far behind if he keeps this up. Anyway, I am rambling now...., when I closed my store I offered several local merchants  my livestock at give away prices. Neil bought numerous animals from me.The one that bothers me the most is a male C.B. Ambanja that was awesome. I sold it to Neil for $150.00 ... fair price!!
Neil  immediately put it on kingsnake for almost $500.00 and TOTALLY MISREPRESENTED the animal,  claiming it was proven this year (never been bred) gives the hatch date (never disclosed) and rambles about what awesome babies he has produced  ETC.
My  point is he is a liar, a cheat or worse.This is  well known .
I would not believe one thing he has ever said or done. He is scamming all of you and more!
The most broken into store in town may just be a scam.  I KNOW neil is.
Kevin Orford formerlly Wild Things Tampa FL.
 
Kevin....now YOU??? You know damn well that you told me point blank that the Male had produced for YOU!! What? Were YOU lieing to me then, or are you lieing now (for whatever reason), or is it maybe jealousy because of me you had to file bankruptcy! I MADE my business into what it is today with a lot of hard work and good people behind me! Just cause you couldn't cut it, don't even think of trying that crap! YOU TOLD ME YOURSELF that the Ambanja was PROVEN!! And YES! You gave it to me for a STEAL...in my opinion, it's worth every PENNY of $500!! Of course, I'm sure that some people will believe you anyway...because if it came out of someone's mouth, it MUST be true! huh??? Give it a rest, Kevin...and go back to whatever it was you were doing...I guess you showed your true feelings today....after being SO NICE to me the couple of times I've done business with you....seems kind of two-faced, doesn't it??? Gee, wonder who might have put you up to it??? ....Neil
 
First:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> I am tired of AFTER having answered these questions numerous times before, nobody seems to be able to remember that I HAVE answered them and they keep asking and asking and asking the same questions over and over and over</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

In answer:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There wasn't just a VCR sitting on a shelf...there was a 4-camera converter of some kind, there was a relay switch thing, and a seperate converter box, there was the VCR underneathe all of that, and there was a whole mess of wires....ok...now Darin...pay close attention....
The VCR was on, and recording....because there was so much other stuff sitting on top of the VCR, AND it was taping...the VCR was ripped off the shelf, letting all the stuff on top of it just fall to the floor, and the wires were left dangling....it was then brought outside where it was smashed on the ground and the tape taken</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Now I MAY be wrong and I will have to check. But that is the first time you went into that much detail regarding the surveilance equipment in 77+ pages.

Second:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If I wanted to...I can post a FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE email of all the lies being told here from someone who can give loads of REAL proof RIGHT NOW....but, I'm going to wait till HE/SHE posts it so you can see it's coming from HIS/HER email and not something that I might have set up!! Wait for it....it'll be here before you know it!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

More talk?

Third:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And I'm sure that you, John, are always even-tempered, huh.... recent past experience tells me better....
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Grasping for straws, Neil? Trying to cast dispersions on me? *LMAO* For your information, no, I am not always even-tempered. Far from it, pal. In fact, I have a very severe problem with my temper and anger. Most who know me can verify this. I am quite the hot-head. I love a good fight and I don't back down. Regardless. My anger is a problem I have been and currently am working on for over a decade now. I don't want to set a horrible example for my kids. But, there is a huge difference between us, Neil. I try to conduct myself with candor here. I try to refrain from undue personal attacks. I try to conduct myself in a tactful manner. I try to keep from going off and making a horses @ss off myself. I may fail from time to time, but I at least keep in mind how what I say will affect others. As far as recent experience goes, your d@mn right I was upset. Furious to be exact. But go take a look, Neil. I was able to control myself. I responded in what I feel to be a very tactful and controlled manner. So your even-tempered argument don't fly with me, pal.

What you said to Darin was cheap, wrong, and uncalled for. I may in fact just be stupid to you. I don't care. I refuse to follow you blindly. You are all too aware of my feelings in this matter. So go ahead and condemn me. Remember though, there is a flipside to that coin as well.

Oh yeah, before I forget. Hi, Tom!!!  <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>
 
Darin,That is a fair question and I will do my best to answer it.I was wondering the same thing until I spoke with Det. Cole he said the Neil is a suspect (him and ask).He said that there is sooooo much crap with this case due to Neil talking to everyone that it will be almost impossible to solve with no photos of the snakes and no clues other then Neil saying it is everyone.The first cops on the scene did say it looks like a inside job.There are 2 people to my knowlege that have keys Neil and Angie,We know that Angie was home when the alarm company called her moments after the alarm went off and please understand that she lives about 4 miles away from the store now Neil could not be reached at his home phone but only by his cell phone so we can not say where he was.

Yes,18" is enogh room for a smaller person to fit in (like Neil, 160 soak and wet) but not for a person big enough to move the cage.

Now as far as the V.C.R. goes I seem to remember Neil posting that they "stole" it,Now he is saying that they crushed it.I know that he told me that it was gone.


I did not quote the Det,. directly but that is what I remember from our conversation.
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
AND, they took my 24-hour tape recorder!! So, obviously...NO PICTURES OF THEM!!  
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what I get from this quote is.....they took the recorder with them.  This is the post you made on page number one post number one

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">BTW...you KNOW the video tape was not turned on? How the HELL would you know that??? It was ripped out of the ####ing wall and it was ON!! and WORKING!!
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What I get from this quote is...it was mounted in the wall.


</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There wasn't just a VCR sitting on a shelf...there was a 4-camera converter of some kind, there was a relay switch thing, and a seperate converter box, there was the VCR underneathe all of that, and there was a whole mess of wires....ok...now Darin...pay close attention....
The VCR was on, and recording....because there was so much other stuff sitting on top of the VCR, AND it was taping...the VCR was ripped off the shelf, letting all the stuff on top of it just fall to the floor, and the wires were left dangling....it was then brought outside where it was smashed on the ground and the tape taken</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
What I get from this is.....It was actually on a shelf

Well how the hell was Darin supposed to know it was on a shelf.  Getting information out of you is like pulling teeth.  Then we ask questions and you get mad.  Why not tell the whole Fu(k!ng story to begin with?


</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm sure that some people will believe you anyway...because if it came out of someone's mouth, it MUST be true! huh???</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
So I take it...you want us to believe you blindly...BUT we are not allowed to believe Kevin blindly?


quote from Neil
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I still stuck up for him and called him my friend</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>  And all through out his posts he called Dave his GOOD friend....
Then He e-mails things like this too me
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> We are not good friends...we are associates n the same business.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>  Gee if that is what he does to his "Good" friend Dave, I would hate to see what he writes about me


Do you see the two faces of Neil yet?
 
Neil,you say that :

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If I wanted to...I can post a FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE email of all the lies being told here from someone who can give loads of REAL proof RIGHT NOW....but, I'm going to wait till HE/SHE posts it so you can see it's coming from HIS/HER email and not something that I might have set up!! Wait for it....it'll be here before you know it! THEN, we'll talk again! ....Neil</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

There is only to people that have first-hand knowlege of this,the evidence that points to you and can tell us if you are lieing or not and that is Angie.She has wanted to post when you drug he name in to this and you would not let her so she had me do it for for He!! you won't even let her read it.You have been told that she will not lie for you.So whom ever you have come on here with this proof better know what they are getting into if they plan on getting "confused".

Or is this the samething as "at the end of the week".
 
OK, folks....the time has come....My Father is having trouble posting, so I am going to copy his email here for you with headers and all so you can check IP addy's or whatever you do...


[email protected] (Jay & Elaine) Date: Wed, May 29, 2002, 11<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>7am (EDT-3) To: [email protected] Subject: Fwd: Snake Pit burglary
Luv, E&J
Delivered-To:    [email protected] From:    [email protected] (Jay & Elaine) Date:    Wed, May 29, 2002, 10:54am (EDT-3) To:    [email protected] (Rich Zuchowski) Cc:    [email protected] Subject:    Snake Pit burglary
Good morning, Rich.
        I'm writing this as an email to you, so you can read it before you post it on the BOI.
          Let me introduce myself to your readers: my name is Jay Gubitz, I live in Las Vegas, I am the father of Neil Gubitz.
          I have just recently been introduced to BOI, and it is I who have been suggesting to Neil that he not get himself involved with responding to the scurrilous letters that have been written about him, accusing him of burglarizing his own store. I asked him: What difference does it make if a few dozen faceless names floating out there in cyberspace want to think the worst of you? You know you didn't do anything, and I know it, so why bother spending all this time defending yourself? His reply: It's not just a few dozen, it's a few hundred, and I regard them all as my friends; if even one of them thinks poorly of me, that's unacceptable.
          Neil is a proud man, and has been working very hard to build up a solid business, and I respect his desire to maintain a good standing in the herp community. After having read many of the pages and realizing that much of what I was reading was mis-information, I thought it was time for me to bring my point of view to bear. When you read what I have to say, you will be as convinced as I am that Neil had nothing to do with the burglaries and is being unjustly vilified.
          My wife and I set up the corporation that does business under the name of The Snake Pit, but Neil is the de facto owner. I had the wherewithal to start a business, and I had (and have) a good financial and credit history. The arrangement was that when Neil could bring the business to a stable base and sizeable Retained Earnings, we would turn the business over to him and he would become the legal owner. (Remember this for later.)
            Now let's go back to the time shortly after the May 02 burglary. A few mentions were made (on the BOI) of "motive."   Why would Neil want to burgle his own store? How would it profit him? Some answers were suggested and then bandied about - and the subject apparently dropped out of sight. I am restoring that line of thinking.
          The most obvious thought is that Neil was trying to defraud the Insurance company. The fact of the matter is that after a few small-scale burglaries, the Insurance company paid off - and then cancelled the insurance! Neil was unable to find a company that would insure him, so from that point on Neil had no insurance! When Neil was hit with the next burglary, Dec 01, he was uninsured, and collected not one thin dime! So why would he do it again in May 02? To have the pleasure of not collecting again? The concept of trying to defraud an Insurance company is out of the question: there was no company to defraud.
          Another motive raised was that Neil was trying to steal from his father, me. The facts are these: after purchasing the store in 1998 and putting in some additional dollars for improving the physical set-up and increasing the inventory, no further investment was made until 2000, when Neil wanted to get into the higher-end reptiles, and also to get some expensive gravid females. Neil's business was looking good and building, so I invested some more dollars during the first half of 2001.
          Now the crucial points: after the Dec 01 burglary, I sent The Snake Pit a check for $2,500 (that's twenty-five hundred, not twenty-five thousand) to help with the iron bars, security system, and cameras. After the recent Mar 02 burglary, I sent The Snake Pit nothing!
          Neil wasn't stealing from me, nor would he ever think of doing so. Who started this idea that I sent Neil $25,000 after each of four burglaries, for a total of $100,000, and Neil was pocketing the money? This is a prime example of the aphorism that if a lie is told often enough it takes on the aura of truth.
          So, if Neil wasn't making any money on these burglaries, why would he have smashed the tanks during the Dec 01 break-in and send crickets, mice, and snakes hopping and slithering throughout the store? Just so he could spend idle days cleaning, sweeping, and chasing? That makes no sense at all.
          Now let's go back to the part where I told you about the inception of the business, the part where Neil would get to be the legal owner of the business, instead of the de facto owner. Shortly before each of the last two break-ins business had been steadily improving, both the bottom line and Retained Earnings. After the two break-ins, the RE plummeted. Ownership had moved further away, instead of being in his grasp. He had to start all over again. Twice. Would anyone really think that Neil would jeopardize his opportunity like that? Not on your life!
          There you have it: Neil had absolutely no motive for breaking into his own store, and I can't say it any more strongly than that.
          I hope by now that all of you realize that if Neil did not do it, then someone else did. But who? I'm going to end this letter now, because I gave you a lot to digest. But I will be back very soon and I will start pointing fingers. And I will tell you about The Telephone Calls!
          In the meantime, if you would like to learn a little more about me and my retirement hobbies, take a look at my website: http://community.webtv.net/ja-gu-ar.
Rich, thank you very much for your time and attention, and please post this as soon as possible.
Cordially yours, Jay Gubitz
 
neil, you are a lair and thats just the facts!!  You can say whatever you want about ME, I dont care ! I have no reason to say anything at all.  I DONT CARE you did not put me out of business.  Aapathy on the part of herpers did and bad circumstance, lack of old jewish money,  relocation etc..  
Nowhere on this board will you see me mentionioned, good or BAD,  why ?
I will tell you,  Its because I never ever F@ck@d anybody over and never sold a sick animal or misrepresented an animal EVER ! I told you what it was, and you lied, period.
I do however have the survailance tapes of your visit to my store and it has audio as well.  Should I make this available to the  public or the cops ?

Kevin
 
okay so the only thing I got out of this was Neil did not get paid $25,000  which was a story I already doubted.
He is a proud man...which we already knew

He did not get insurance money...not much anyway.

Neil Does not own the snake pit.  Even though he swears he does.


I thought your fathers post would clear your name?  What happened?  You kept bragging that it would blow everyone out of the water or something.

Instead all it shows is that when you SWORE that you own the snake pit....you were actually lying.

He never mentioned his communications with the PI...WHY?  Did Mr. Lawyer tell you it would just hurt your case?

Sounds interesting Kevin...give the info up
 
Kevin...you can give those tapes to anybody you want to! I know what you said, and YOU know what you told me! I'm not even going to bother with this....it's not worth it, I've got enough crap being said right now for a while, but, after my father posts his second thread...A LOT of this will be put to rest! I hope! ....Neil
Say anything you want to, Kevin....I'm NOT responding to you again! And I WILL NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, EITHER!!
 
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Thanks for your input, Kevin. I would suggest only if it has relevant bearing to the matter at hand.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> http://community.webtv.net/ja-gu-ar. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Jay, you made need to have your site checked. I tried to link to it and got a HTTP 404 File Not Found message.
 
Kevin, you're acting like a troll, and a whiney one at that...kindly grow up a bit please. Oh yeah, I almost forgot...you sound a lot like Dave, but with just enough difference in typing and misspellings to appear to be someone else.

Interesting reading that Neil just posted for us...I hope that letter is included along with everything else when this finally goes to court.

now as to the rest of you, stop pointing fingers and go work or something...one is led to believe you have nothing better to do.
 
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