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THE SNAKE PIT WAS BURGLARIZED *AGAIN* LAST NIGHT!!

Neil Gubitz and I are friends (or were) I have cut myself free of me due to his shady deals and actions.I will not sink with him nor will I lie for him of cover his a$$.I am not trying to hide anything.I have stated facts I will tell what I know to the proper investigator.I think that everyone will agree that tipping off the "guilty" party will give them time to cover their a$$es.So I ask you would you rather I state everything here and let the criminal go free? or would you like to see a crock get whats coming to him?
 
As an outside observer to all this, something isn't right.  

Neil's store got robbed...
He gets all of these people attacking his ethics and making half-assed, and unsubstantiated claims against him.
His "friend" Dave is here making IMPLICATIONS, but claiming they are facts, against Neil.  
Dave's girlfriend is also involved in the bashing of Neil and the Snake Pit.  
All four people that have been involved in attacking Neil and making accusations seem to be in contact with each other in some form, and all four claim to know Neil and his shop very well.

I think I got it all more or less.  I have probably missed one or two posts, but it doesn't look like I missed any that matter or change anything much.

The first major problem I have is Julie.  Too much knowledge and too much animosity.  She apparently has access to things she most definitely should not involving this case.  If you are not an investigator, suspect, witness, or victim of a robbery, why in the hell are you talking to the police regarding it, and why are they talking to YOU?  
The second of course is the others involved in the bashing here that sure seem happy that Neil got robbed.  Can I say MOTIVE?  In my book, that makes all four people involved here possible suspects.  Please do not think I am trying to convict you or make massive accusations or anything, but the four of you seem to be in together in the fact you don't like Neil, and that looks very susupicious.  My grandmother always says, "the bit dog always hollers," and you guys sure seem to be hollering.  
The third is that Julie is Dave's girlfriend.  The fact they are together of course doesn't bother me, but it seems like now Dave is here trying to cover BOTH of them from what she was saying earlier.  You have both made serious accusations against Neil, however, Dave did it in a very clandestine way, the complete opposite of Julie's rash attacks on character.  But the truth of the matter is, no matter HOW you phrase it, you are both saying the same thing.  
And the final thing that just bugs the crap out of me is this complete lack of proof you all have.  You all want to say things like, "death threat" and "no police reports" but won't back it up.  Where are those e-mails that threaten your life Josie?  I take any and all threats against me or my business VERY seriously and keep anything possible in regards to it, be it e-mail, letters, messages, etc.  And you keep saying that Neil did not file police reports on his other robberies.  Where is the proof of that?  And again, if you are talking to the police about that and they are volunteering that information, there are some serious problems within the Tampa Bay PD that need to be rectified.  Please don't take that as a dig against the entire department, but if they have an officer or two discussing cases that are in progress with the public, some thing needs to be done.  

Anyway, my point to all this is, if you are not involved in the robbery and have no clue who is, then why incriminate yourselves?
 
Just one more thing...

Dave, you keep talking about facts...where are they?  So far you have only stated conjecture and called Neil shady.  I have yet to see anything here from you that is a fact, so what are you stating?
 
I dont know what the heck is going on, but I do want to say this...

when this happened (the last time and this time), I offerred Neil some free baby beardeds as my "donation" to help out...Neil wanted them, but he wanted to PAY for them, not get them for free.

Didnt he say the same thing when Jason offerred baby boas?

Like I said I dont have a clue, but this doesnt sound like someone who fakes a robbery for greed/charity.

And I always keep in mind who started the thread...Neil did...knowing how nosey everyone is here and how things go, dont you think that would be a dumb thing to do if you were behind it all?

I think it's time for Neil to get some new friends.  I feel pretty bad for him right about now as he reads through all this.

Dana
 
Point well taken,I will tell you what I will call the Tpd today and I will give them all the info I have along with at least 5 people that also have info in this case (none of which have ever posted here)and we will let the chips fall where they may.Just to clear the record I do not "hate" Neil I just do not like the person that he has become over the last year , I have only talked to Josie 1 time and I do not know this mike person that has posted yes Julie is my girlfriend but if you go back and read my very first post in this thread you will see that I tried to get her not to post.I know that some of you look up to Neil and it is very hard for you to  take in the fact that your loyalty is misplaced so you start to say that a group of people is out to wrongly accuse him.My Dad always told me "that things are not always what they appear to be" so if you do not know Neil personally and in person then you do not know him at all.Talking to him via e-mail and phone does not allow you the chance to see the real person.
 
one more thing...
for all the people that find it fishy that Neil has been robbed so many times...

Neil is a personality to say the least--outspoken--these people are often targetted

Neil has a pretty high profile--I know who he is and what the Snake Pit in Tampa is...he posts on the internet...I dont know of any other shop or dealer in Tampa (I'm from NM) except Josie's store now because of Neil and all this mess--high profile=better target

Little ole me at my old house was once robbed 2 times in 6 months and I didnt have nearly the goodies Neil does.

Just some thoughts.

dana
 
Being another impartial observer to this whole mess, let me just make the following statements. If any of the innuendos are true, this board certainly isn't the place to voice "suspicions", especially when those voicing them have a vested interest. I sense a tremendous amount of hatred amongst the "gang of 4" towards Neil. I don't know Neil and I don't know Dave, Julie, or Josie. I have come to the following decisions as the result of following this thread:

1. I have planned on visiting The Snake Pit the next time I'm in Tampa, and I continue to plan on it.

2. I will probably visit Josies store since I now know of it's existence.

3. Julie sounds like a bimbo brat, with some sort of vendetta.

4. I had contemplated buying animals from Dave in the past, but because of the way that he has presented himself in this thread, he went on my list of "Don't do business with".

 I am only a small time amatuer collector, so my loss of business to anyone is inconsequential. But others out there are larger purchasers, and are probably coming to the same conclusions that I am. It will be interesting how this all plays out.

Disclaimer: the previous statements are only opinions, and are in no way to be construed as the actual character of anyone involved.
 
Dave, Julie, Josie,
Why do you even bother to post on this thread? Everything that you post is nothing but slanderous heresy. You guys claim that you know Neil so well, and that you have facts and proof of everything, but as soon as someone calls you out, you disappear!!  Where are these e-mails? Dave, if you have something to say, then SAY it!! You come here, post all these slanderous accusations, then when someone calls you out, you say "I'll talk to the proper authorities, but this isn't the place." Then what the hell were you doing posted your HERESY if you can't back anything up!!!
I don't know how you expect anyone to give you any credibility with the track record you have! Do us all a favor, quite your SMEAR campaign unless you actually have some FACTS!!

Dennis Gulla
 
Let me ask you this,Why do you not jump Neil? He stated that he has all these police reports to prove his statements but as of yet he has posted none! But I do not see anyone jumping him for not posting his " proof".Fine I will throw a dog a bone, I personally sold Neil 10 Imported adult Ball pythons and I told him that they were non-feeders. He paid $5 ea. for them that very same day he advertsed them as c.b. feeders for $59.95 acouple month ago Neil had a Black tail boa for sale he advertised it as a Anery proven breeder when it died he tossed the body in a dumpster and and posted on Kingsnake.com "thanks James and Kingsnake.com the Anery boa was sold" and for the past month before the break in Neil has been telling people that he knows the store was going to be broken into.
 
This person is good....
That person is bad....
These people are Jealous....
yada yada yada

Let us all just wait for the Private Investigators report.
Let's see what he says.  He is a third party.  He did not know any of these people until he investigated them.  So we can pretty much say that the guy will be fair and hopefully correct.

Let's let the chips fall were they may.
I wash my hands clean of this subject.  I did not sign on for this drama when I realized that I love this hobby.
 
Just 1 ?   why isnt Neil here sticking up for himself? That sounds fishy to me.


BTW Mr Webslave...my name is DOUG SEAL.....plain enough view for you?
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Dave,
I am not jumping on Neil because he is not the one attacking someone else's character. You and your friends are the one's questioning Neil's, and I would'nt have a problem with that as long as you have something solid to back it up with. If Neil is so "shady," why aren't there lots of negative posts about him stating that he is misrepresenting animals, or that Neil sold someone a sick animal and so on?

Dennis Gulla
 
The only answer I can give is that I do not know.Other than Neil is so well liked here that whenever a person makes a claim they are accused of attacking him.Think about this, after Neil's last break in hundreds of people posted their heart felt feelings to Neil and this time not so many.Neil himself told me that he has gotten hundreds of e-mails from people that think he himself did the robbery.
 
I have contacted Mr. Crowley this morning and asked him about the progress.  He is still waiting to hear back from the Dept. of Licensing for the State of Florida on whether or not he can release his file to me.  If and when he does, I will post as much of this file as I can on the BOI.

If he CANNOT, then two other possibilities exist:

(1)  Someone needs to find a way to contact James Thornton, inform him that I have paid off the balance owed to Mr. Crowley, and request that Mr. Thornton contact Mr. Crowley and provide a release of that information to me.

(2)  I will ask Mr. Crowley, within the constraints of his legal obligations, to provide a synopsis of his investigation that can be posted publicly.

Everyone is going to wind up having an opinion on this matter and I caution everyone to keep from attacking each other if their opinion differs from your own. When prospective witnesses get the impression that the jury wants to kill the messengers when they bring messages they don't want to hear, it further obscures an already cloudy picture.
 
"Everyone is going to wind up having an opinion on this matter and I caution everyone to keep from attacking each other if their opinion differs from your own. When prospective witnesses get the impression that the jury wants to kill the messengers when they bring messages they don't want to hear, it further obscures an already cloudy picture."

I thought that this statment was worthy of repeating. Casey
 
Falsehood is never so successful
as when she baits her hook with truth,
and no opinions so fastly mislead us
as those that are not wholly wrong,
as no timepieces so effectually deceive the wearer
as those that are sometimes right.

Colton (1780-1832)
 
All right, this is my impartial opinion on this matter.  I have spoken to Neil a few times in the last year, and he has always been helpful and courteous.  I have yet to buy anything from him simply because at this point he doesn't have anything that I really need.  When his store got broken into the most recent time, I as did many others offered him free animals, to help him out.  Now in my opinion if Neil was a "shady" character like you have been implementing, why didn't he take advantage of that?  He could have gotten thousands of dollars worth of animals for free, but every time someone offered to give him anything he wanted to pay for it.  Yeah lets burn this crook at the stake.  This whole thing has turned into nothing more then a witch-hunt.  Now the second part of my problem with this.  Dave you seem to keep bringing up stuff that has NO RELEVANCE to the case at hand.  So what if Neil’s dad is the legal owner of the Snake Pit?  Technically my father is half owner of my shop, but he has no concern over any of the business practice as long as A. the bills are being paid, B. the profit margin is high, and C. the place is clean.  He is more or less a silent partner.  And I am getting the feeling that is what Neil’s dad is also.  Just a silent partner.  My father couldn't tell the difference between a Nile Monitor and Blue Tail.  Now Dave you made a post earlier about you being "stalked" by a fellow herper.  But I am starting to get the idea that if someone is doing something that you don't like, or something you don’t agree with, then you like to make false claims against that person.  You say Neil never provided proof of the police reports, where is your proof of the guy who was stalking you?  To me you’re nothing but a liar, and a coward.  But then again that’s just my opinion.  But honestly you’re ruining your own rep with everyone at this point.  But hey if you don't care then I don't either.  I think that when the dust settles and we finally get the P.I.'s stuff we will see who is spreading the B.S. and I have a feeling that the smell is coming from your direction Dave.  With that I wish nothing but good luck to Neil in the future, and I wish a scorching case of herpes to the people that are making false implications.
 
First things first,Neil's Dad is not a silent partner but the sole owner his words to me were "Neil is a general manager of my store"  2)I spoke with Thomas Crowley this morning to see if I could hire him to prove or dis-prove if I am right about the robberies of the snake pit.  3)After the last robbery at the snake pit Neil bragged that he was given thousands of dollars in free donated animals. 4)I t was proven that in my thread about being stalked that Richard Cole and his Girlfriend Jeri Liller did in fact post under several false names to make me look bad but in the end I was proven right,this is the case number from the last encounter with them  case #02-19490 offence type -stalking Pasco Co. s.o. Look it up.5) Neil is fighting to not have the P.I. report posted because he knows who the  prime suspect is,I was told by Neil that he would sue Thomas Crowley  and Rich Z. if they posted that report,see Neil know that it says that the P.I. thinks Neil did it.I know that you do not what to hear this from me so call him yourself.
 
I'll have to admit, the language, accusations involved, and the entire tone of the posts given in the thread Franklin Edwards reminded us of are all very reminiscent of what we're now hearing from Dave, Julie, et.al. about Neil.  Very interesting indeed.

Dave, was Neil's father asking if you thought that Neil did the burglaries to see if he actually did, or to see if that is what you thought?  It is impossible to read the tone of that statement as it was written.  If his statement had the former meaning it would be something like, "Do you think NEIL did the buglaries?"  But if it had the latter intention it would be more like, "Do YOU think Neil did the burglaries?"  Which was it Dave?  What kind of a relationship do Neil and his father have?  I don't know, do you?

Also, Dave, if you are so worried about impeding an active investigation, and refuse to share the "PROOF" you say you have, why do you keep coming on here adding fuel to the fire like talking about your supposed conversations with Neil's father?  It just doesn't make sense to me.

All I can conclude beyond a shadow of a doubt is this:  Someone(people) is(are) lying, and should be branded for all to see so that the guilty are run out of this business.  I sure hope that whatever has motivated the guilty party(ies) to lie to us so consistently is still deemed worthy of the ramifications when all is said and done!

Darin
 
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