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Todd Seadorf of Palm Beach Exotics.....

We always wait at least 15 minutes before putting the heat pack into our packages to ensure they are working. There have been a few times that the heat pack has died short of the 40+ hours it was supposed to last, and also it only warms the package up about 15 degrees higher than the air in the box. So if the box was placed outside or in the back of a airborne van that had no heat and was very cold it would not warm it up.

We did experiments with our boxes last year and put a thermostat into a box with a heat pack. We then left it at room temp, put it outdoors in the cold, and then put it in the freezer to check. Well when it was at room temp the temp in the box only got to about 84 degrees, when it was outside in the cold it barely made 80 and then in the freezer it died completely until taken out of the freezer and the air in the box was allowed to warm. These boxes were all with 3/4" foam lining, plenty of packing materials and a 40+ hour heat pack.


Please don't think I am trying to shift blame on him in the least as that is not the case. That wound was not a fresh wound and if he did not see that when packing the animal when he must have had his eyes closed. All I am saying is that the heat packs are not 100% reliable to keep the inside of the box warm. Also depending on what the temps are and the size of the box I use multiple heat packs. That way if one should fail the other will be a back up.
 
Todd

I don't usually post on the BOI, and tried to obtain my own screen name but never recieved a conformation email. So i am posting under my room mates.
First of all, Todd is a good buddy of mine(As he is to many people). Every deal i have ever done with todd has been straight. Never sent me sick animals, or lied about anything. His job(don't know that i am at liberty to state exactlly what that job is), requires him to have the highest integrity. If he said the wound wasn't there before he shipped, i believe him. And David, you are very mistaken about the heat pack issue. I have shipped several hundered packages over the past several years. AND EVERY TIME, I put the heat packs on the bottom. For one simple scientific fact, HEAT RISES. I put mine right under the bag.
One more thing, when i am waiting for packages, especially ones containing live animals, i am looking out the window, listening for the sound of a truck. Maybe you friend should have been paying a little closer attention.
I think you are wrong about the airborne thing also. Every time todd has sent me a package it has been for guaranteed 10:30 AM delivery. Why did you even have the package shipped if you weren't going to be there. Do you always pass things off to you friends? If you want to make sure something is taken care of you should do it yourself. Don't blame todd because your friend wasn't looking for the package. Todd is a nicer guy than i am, i would have told you to shove those vet bills where the sun don't shine. Lets see a vet report that states the wound looks a couple of days old, looked fresh to me.
Tom Teasdale
 
Questions

K, i didn't read the whole thread. So the package was delivered at 10:40, how cold was it there? 25 minutes if it was cold enogh could be a death sentence. So the package was brought in AFTER a phone call to you was made? Thats kinda stupid. I still stand by todd. I think your friend should have been looking closer.
Tom Teasdale
 
Yes, Michelle is correct that I called at 11am to see if the package had arrive. Also, I see what you're saying about the placement of the package, but every package I have ever recieved from anyone had the heat pack taped to the top of the insulated box. Also, like Michelle said, how can heat rise if there IS NONE? LOL.....He obviously does not ship much or if he does, he is going about it the wrong way. He had the blood for about a month, so unless he was blind there is NO WAY he did not see the wound on its back. The fact that he never mentioned it to me suggests that he was not totally honest.

We are also not "wrong" about the delivery time.....you saw the screen shot, didn't you, Tom? LOL, there really is no debating it....I was lied to and received a flawed animal due to negligence on the shipper's part.

Donnie and Michelle are VERY alert and I have no doubt there were listening for the package to arrive. The fact that they live in an apartment and have no windows does not allow them to watch for the delivery.

I find it very funny that you, Yom, are trying to relieve Todd of any and all blame for this. HE LIED to me about the wound....if it had happened in shipping, there would have been blood on the bag the snake was in and it would not have looked the way it did. I do not have a vet report stating this because I did not get one...the vet merely offered her opinion. You obviously do not see that many fresh wounds, Tom.

The fact that this is being debated greatly disturbs me.
 
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Well, If todd says the wound wasn't there then i believe him. He doesn't lie. Especially about things as trivial as snakes. He is a very respectable person. His job requires that he is very honest. Did he happen to mention to you what his day job is? I bet he did and you are not mentoning it because it might throw a few credibility points his way. I suggest you take care of your own buisness, don't pass it off to your friends. If you can't pick up the package, ask the person to ship at a later date.
Tom Teasdale
 
Yes, I know of his occupation. Just because he is an officer of the law, that does not exclude him from accountability. The fact is that it matters not who received the package, but the state the animal was in before he shipped it out and how the animal was packaged. The fact is that I was an unsatisfied customer who had to nag him into even considering doing the right thing. That is not how good business should be done.
 
Tom If you look at the picture of the injury it is NOT a fresh injury. It has already started healing. If it appeared to be a fresh injury then I would say ok maybe it happened in transit but the fact remains that injury is not fresh and did not happen in shipping.
David maybe you can post the Vet report where they state the injury was not a fresh injury. I am sure the Vet would agree that injury is from at least 5 days earlier by the way the healing has started.
 
Rob, like I said earlier, there is no vet report. The vet merely offered her opinion and I did not receive it as a written statement. All I got was an invoice.
 
David,

Most Vet's can and will write down their findings on a letter head for a customer. Yes you might have to pay for it but it will be more proof of the injury's status. Just a thought.
 
I will definitely keep that in mind, Rob. I don't really think it would matter much in this matter though, because the vet even said there is no way of proving how old the wound is, it really just lies on conjecture and estimations. The only thing that is for sure is that it did not happen in shipping.
 
Quick Question

I know it was said on here earlier that Airborne doesn't require a sig, but the tracking slip says get signature on the top right, and someones name or something was blacked out where it says signed for by, just curious about that.
 
Forgot to finish what I was saying...

Is it possible Todd requested a sig and airborne didn't do it, because I do see how it also states that it was left at the door.
 
No, Todd did not request a signature because when I talked to him on the phone, he was not aware that they did not require a sig, nor was I until the snake was already shipped out.
 
HMMM

First of all there is no way of knowing what date you took those pictures. Why did you wait so long to post on the BOI?HUH? Second, i just got off the phone with todd. He said he never refused to pay for vet bills. He kept all his emails. That was a lie told by you. HE TOLD YOU THE ANIMAL WAS SET FOR 10:30 DELIVERY. You need to stop contridciting yourself. You said you emailed him several times??!!!??? Does three email constitute using the word "several"??!!!??!?!??! Plus this happened on the week of thanksgiving. I am not suprised he didn't get back to you right away. He didn't get back to me until that sunday.
Just because you go into paint and write the date on the picture doesnt mean thats when you took it. Todd is not just an "officer of the law", he is an inspector and has been on the "job" for 20 years. I tend to believe someone like that instead of a guy like you. You are just trying to cause problems. Todd is a stand up guy with lots of friends in this buisness, whom he has dealt with on numerous occasions without problems. This little bitch fit won't hurt his reputation one bit.
Tom Teasdale
 
Really try to stay out of these, but.........


May I play devil's advocate here and ask David to post pic of both the snakes?....and/or Todd a pic of the snake when he had it?


I've shipped like that in the dead of winter with no problems exactly the way todd packed the borneo...Just not with hurting Airborne Express....the wound is what jumped out at me here...kinda hard to miss, but it COULD happen....I'd just pay the remainder of the vet bill and move on if I were in Todd's shoes...Good luck to you guys; hope ya get it squared away

The Devil
:dgrin:
 
First off, I told David to have her shipped here since no one would be home at his place to receive the package. I and my husband would be able to open and inspect her right away. I had expected a knock at the door and to sign for her.. I don't care who the shipper is. The blacked out bit on the tracking info is my address only... and none of you need to know exactly where I live, now do you?

Second, I took those pictures 2 minutes after unpacking her. The wound was noticeable right away so I grabbed my camera. I am sorry if we can't afford a camera that has a time/date stamp.

Third, TRIVIAL? The snake's life is trivial? That's a new one on me...

Fourth, not to accuse Todd of being crooked or anything, however, just because a man is a priest it never stopped them from raping young boys. In other words, a person's occupation does not absolve them.

I have NO reason To lie, I get nothing from it. Tell me something... could someone on here please tell me exactly how long it takes for an RI to set in to the point where mucous comes from the nose upon exhalation? She had it when she arrived...

You may know Todd personally, fine, but were you there when the snake shipped? I have two witnesses other than my husband (Kevin Scott that posted and his s/o) that can tell you the heat pack was cold and that it began to warm up after being shook up. What else do I need?
 
Tom, you are really only making things look worse for Todd. You are totally derailing this thread and are serving no purpose other than to flame me.

I don't know how much you consider 'several', but in my book it means 3 or more times, lol. I have kept all of my e-mails as well. Todd said he would not pay the vet bill at first, then AFTER this thread was started he relented. You think Michelle has faked the dates on the pics? LMAO....there are 3 (4 if Donnie gets around to posting) that were EYE WITNESSES and can attest to everything I have said. You weren't here, so I think your claims hold no ground whatsoever. I waited this long to post on the BOI because I am not hasty in doing this sort of thing. I wanted to give Todd the benefit of the doubt and give him some more time.....I think a week is more than substantial time. Like I've said before....his occupation has nothing to do with this, so stop bringing it up. Its just a tactic to switch the focus on the real issue at hand. Do you think because he is a cop, he can do no wrong? LMAO! There are crooked cops all over the world and you sound like a naieve child to say something like that. Even though Todd has "many friends" that will not stop me from pursuing what I believe is the right thing to do.
 
Since Tom says I am lying, here is the e-mail where Todd says he won't pay the vet bill:

Wednesday, December 03, 2003 8:09 PM
From: "Todd Seadorf" <[email protected]>
To: dcbear01
Subject: RE: Times a tickin.......
Urgent New
Well yes, in the process of answering other emails from friends, family
and others, you were on the pile to be answered when I received your
second message. So I responded right away. If you feel that you must
make that post, then fine. I sure we can work out something. I will not
pay the full bill. Remember the snake was left out in the cold as you
said, which is out of my hands. I have filled a complaint with airborne,
but do to no lost at time of shipping there is nothing they will do. So
I am canceling my account with them and going to UPS.

Todd and Patrick Seadorf
561-433-8813
Palm Beach Exotics
 
I forgot something....Michelle pointed out to me today that the degree of RI the snake had when it arrived was bad enough that it was not something that being cold during shipping would have caused (exascerbated, but not caused).....it was set in for a few days before the snake was sent out. So, not only did the snake have the wound befoire shipping, it also had an RI. I am frankly surprised the snake did not die during shipping. Todd mentioned that he knows nothing about bloods and was even keeping the snake on aspen bedding.....My take is that if you have no idea on how to care for an animal, you have no business owning it, LET ALONE sending it to another in the condition the snake I got was in.

Go ahead and ask Todd how the snakes he got from me are doing.....I don't think you'll hear one word of complaint.
 
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