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Todd Seadorf of Palm Beach Exotics.....

Unless I misunderstood when i went to the meeting in Frankfort about the new herp laws in kentucky, the only reptiles that are covered under the "Transportation Permit" legislation as I think you will find it is called are native species of animals. As Blood Pythons do not now nor ever have they existed in the state of Kentucky, it is a non issue.
 
Just a side note here about using heat packs.

It is recommended that you actually use TWO heat packs when shipping to cold climates, rather than just one. Shake them both vigorously to mix the chemical material inside. If the material feels like a solid block, rather than loose powder, discard it. If you don't feel them becoming warm to the touch within 15 minutes after opening the plastic wrapper, discard them as well.

Wrap them both loosely in newspaper, not necessarily touching together, but both should be wrapped together in the same "package". We have recently started placing some shedded paper between the red air line and the newspaper to give a better air gap. This will allow the heat packs to work more efficiently, plus the heat from one pack will help to keep the other heat pack operating, even if the box is subjected to low temperatures during transit.

Place the heat pack FLAT on the BOTTOM of the box, so the heat will rise and help heat the entire box. TAPE it to the bottom of the box so it won't shift around during transit. Try to keep the animals from coming in direct contact with the heat pack itself.

Another side benefit of using two heat packs, is if you do get one that has a premature failure, you would still likely have the other one providing heat regardless.

As has been mentioned elsewhere. NO airholes in the box if you are shipping to colder climates. The box WILL NOT run out of air!
But it CAN run out of heat because of airflow through the box.

Use new boxes in good shape with at least 3/4 inch styrofoam insulation top and bottom, and all sides. Do NOT cut corners when it comes to shipping live animals.
 
Well this thread certainly sunk to the bottom of the pile once the fact came to light that Donnie, Michelle, and David were guilty of breaking the law and imported this animal without a permit.

Donnie Smith said:
Unless I misunderstood when i went to the meeting in Frankfort about the new herp laws in kentucky, the only reptiles that are covered under the "Transportation Permit" legislation as I think you will find it is called are native species of animals. As Blood Pythons do not now nor ever have they existed in the state of Kentucky, it is a non issue.
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Oh but it is an issue 'oh one that knows it all.' Maybe you should call the fish and wildlife department at 800-858-1549 and get the inside scoop. Or you can check it out yourself at their site here. Be sure and pay particular attention to section 4 of 301 KAR 2:082. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, especially if you were at the meeting in Frankfort.

So... let's see that vet report and import permit!!
 
I invite you to report me to Kentucky Fish and Wildlife.

Send me an e-mail and I will provide you with my personal address and phone number so the Fish and Wildlife people know where to find me. I think you will find that they already know who I am... Heck, my exact words appear in a different part of that legislation.

[email protected].

If you do not wish to do that, then that's up to you... But feel free to make all the accusations you like as they don't hurt anything here in this forum.

Just out of curiosity, do you have a stake in this deal? Or are you just a concerned citizen? It would be really funny if you ended up getting a whole bunch of people arrested because you like to bring up off topic issues.

Just my oppinion.

-Donnie "Morti" Smith
 
A portion of the regulation 301KAR 2:081 states: A non commercial Pet and Propagation Permit is required to possess,purchase, or propagate wildlife for non-commercial purposes. Transportation permits are required to import, transport,or recieve any live wildlife.....*Reptiles are specifically excluded from the definition of "wildlife" in regulation 301KAR 2:081, and are presumably exempt from permit requirements. Permits are required, however, to possess and/or propagate amphibians. These laws may have changed but, that was what I was quoted recently. If there is a violation keep in mind that BOTH parties could be charged.
 
Who Is Jim and Why is He So Hateful

David -

Who is Jim Lanier?

Is he in the KYHerpSoc?

Why is he so hateful to you and Donnie? What is his problem?

Doe he post on the KyHerpSoc message board?

Does he know what a nice young man you are? I don't think so !

What is his interest in this - does he have "a dog in this fight?" I don't understand his motivation or why he is so mean.

It sounds like Donnie and Raymond both produced statue provisions that exclude non-native species and were very adament that Jim is plain wrong. Donnie even basically said "put up or shut up".

This issue is quite controversial. I hear one person say you need the permits, and others quote provisions that exclude non-native species. What is the KyHerpSoc position on it? What's the real answer? I find it hard to believe that the legislations intent is to require a permit everytime one brings a lizard or snake into KY. What if you buy a snake at a show out of state - an unplanned purchase when you find just the female you have been looking for, for that love-starved male you have at home? Do you need to get a pre-emptive permit everytime you THINK you May purchase a snake at an out-of-state show? I don't think that's the intent.

Does anyone really know?

Anyway, since joining the herp society and surfing the 'web I have been amazed at how mean some people are. At the shows and at meetings I find only super nice people willing to go waaaaay outta their way to help fellow herpers. But on these boards I find people that wanna go waaaay outta their way to make people feel miserable. Why are there so many people out there like that? Why don't people like Jim just keep to themselves instead of being so accusatory and mean spirited?

'Tis the season to be merry and spread happiness. Jeez - no wonder we still have wars and international disagreements that lead to bloodshed and loss of life and property - we can't even get along on these boards and be happy as a herpin' community.

Thank goodness the KyHerpSoc has so many really really truly genuine nice folks as members.

This thread started with you posting info on the breeder who sent you the wounded animal. from what I saw you have been doing a great job nursing the snake back to health. That shows what a true kind and compassionate animal person that you are - working with the wounded snake. I don't think Jim realizes how great a young man you are - if he did he would not be so critical.

I like to look for the good out there - not the bad.

To Jim and other folks like him out there - relax, enjoy the company and fellowship of fellow herpers - - - and happy holidays.
 
The argument regarding the statute iis a red herring, nothing more. It has no bearing whatsoever on the mistakes made by Todd.
 
A:
"Do you always pass things off to you friends? If you want to make sure something is taken care of you should do it yourself.
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Kinda funny how he says the above but he is the one posting for his friend.

Anyway. I receive a LOT of packages for my friends around town who own snakes. They all work and not always have the luxury to be home. I too work but the fact that work is 30 seconds away by car and 3 minutes away by walking gives me the luxury to come home for lunch and recieve everyones packages.

B:
the snake should not have been out in 20 degree weather for 30 minutes(YOUR FAULT).
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Someone does not know too much about their snakes.
Let me know if you all want me to put one of my snakes out in 30 degree weather for 40 minutes....
But I can already tell you the result. It will not get RI in that short of a time. At least not to the point that mucus comes out of its mouth.

C:
So maybe you should get YOUR OWN PACKAGES SHIPPED TO YOU.
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See answer for A above.

D:
I SUGGEST IF YOU CAN'T BE THERE WHEN A PACKAGE IS DELIVERED...........USE DELTA.
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I believe it was your buddy who chose the delivery method.

E:
You should work on your competence, it seems to be lacking.
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Kinda funny...... But I was going to tell you the same thing.
Davey Boy here has not attacked your buddy. Just about everyone on this thread has been mature. I wonder what your hang up is.

While you are at it David, why don't you get Michelle to scan and post a copy of your import permit. You know, the one that was required in order to bring this animal into the state of Kentucky legally. I'd be interested to see it along with your vet bill.
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And while your at it. Who do you propose was responsible for making sure the animal came with a vet certificate that says the animal does not show signs of disease. clearly it had to be a vet from Todd's end. Because if you are right and an import/transportation license is needed...a vet certificate was also needed. How can Davey get the animal to a vet without first importing the animal into the state?

How many shipments of animals have gone into kentucky without this so called transportation license?

Then again what does all this have to do with the fact that the snake was sick and had an injury.

it seems someone is just trying to detract from the thread. Like Ken said. Red herring

Hey Lanier
By the way. I know you got some snakes from David Evans.
Do YOU have the transportation permit for them?

P.S. Someone says Todd is a cop and therefore is of outstanding whatever whatever implying he would never lie.
I just wanted to take this time to remind everyone that there have been cops posting on the BOI whose integrity were rather questionable....I will not name names. But they have had bad guy threads about them.....and rightfully so.
 
I have no idea what Jim's benefit would be for starting this sort of crap. I don't think he is involved in this situation whatsoever, so why is he posting on this thread at all? It seems there have been numerous attempts to derail this thread and get away from the main point(s) here. I do not know why Jim harbors such ill feelings towards myself or Donnie. All I can do is present the truth and let others make thier own judgments about it that way.

Thank you to all who have contributed to this thread in a positive way. I appreciate your help in this matter greatly.
 
UPDATE

I have some bad news concerning the Blood Python......she went into blue about 10 days ago and shed last night. That went ok, but upon inspection, I found her to have ANOTHER FRESH wound on her......this wound was NOT there yesterday when I checked her in the morning......I think she may have some sort of skin disorder. To top it all off, I thought she had gotten over her RI, but now she is wheexing with every breath and her brething is very labored and sharp, as if she just did something strenuous.......I will be taking her to vet as soon as I can get the $ together. Here is a pic of her newest wound:

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On a side note.......I apologize for never having posted the vet bill for the last vet visit......I just never got around to it, despite my friends trying to remind me often, lol. As of now I am not concerned about the $ or anything, just getting this snake healthy.......it looks as though I have quite a task ahead of me.

Once again.......thank you Todd Seadorf for SUCH a wonderful animal!!!
 
David,

In MHO that kind of lesion cannot happen from one day to the next. It is possible that it was right under the skin and was not easily observed upon inspection. Uppon shedding, that part of the skin sloughed off with the old skin. The other odd thing is that they are perfectly symetric, round-shaped and very clean. Reminds me more of fungal infection rather than bacterial infections althoughs these can be secondary invaders. I guess your vet will be able to give you a diagnosis.
 
Yes, I found the nature of the wounds to be very unusual as well. Her other 2 wounds are healing nicely though. She still has a healthy appetite, as she ate a medium rat a couple hours ago. I hope that we can find out what is the matter with her and fix the problem if possible.
 
Has anyone dealt with him recently? How did it go?

Thanks
 
Nobody has dealt with Todd recently?

Thanks
 
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