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Todd Seadorf of Palm Beach Exotics.....

last one i swear

Hey David, This is really over, right? Todd agreed to pay the vet bill, right? And you have only proved that you told a half lie. He said he wouldn't pay it all, right? And he shouldn't, the snake should not have been out in 20 degree weather for 30 minutes(YOUR FAULT). Even if the heat pack was working(as you claim it was not), the ambient temp inside the box would have only been 35 degrees. So maybe you should get YOUR OWN PACKAGES SHIPPED TO YOU. I SUGGEST IF YOU CAN'T BE THERE WHEN A PACKAGE IS DELIVERED...........USE DELTA. You should work on your competence, it seems to be lacking. I am not going to monitor this post anymore, so if you have anything useful to say, Davey boy, email me. BTW thanks for the response Ken, But todd thanked me for everything i said on this thread.Especially because he knows i don't post here.
Hoping Dave Feels better and hoping he will use his brain the next time he gets a snake shipped to HIM(NOT HIS FRIENDS),
Tom Teasdale
 
LOL...well, I hope for yours and Todd's sake that that was truly your last post, because you are definitely not helping anything and are only showing how incompetent you really are. With friends like Tom, who needs enemies?
 
Had the snake been shipped to David it would have sat on the doorstep for quite a while longer.. where is the sense in that? The life of the animal is not "trivial" to us which is why I had David request her to be shipped to our apartment . Todd chose Airborne, not David. David shipped via UPS and the snakes arrived to Todd just fine, yes? He also shipped them under MY instruction. You are doing your best to deflect the blame to others. I have witnesses and David arrived here not long after the snake did. So, again, show me YOUR proof that we are to blame. Also, I uploaded the pics to my photo album shortly after David left with the snake, she was here maybe one whole hour TOTAL. The wound was not draining, was not shiney, therefore it had healed over somewhat, not a fresh wound. We have rehabbed a few snakes, we know what a fresh wound looks like. There are no holes in my story. There are no holes in David's. I have done my best to cover it all honestly and truthfully. Todd admits to not knowing that Airborne did not request a sig. Todd is now canceling his Airborne account. Doesn't that say to you that he accepts responsibility for the bad choice he made?
 
Maybe I missed something here, are jesse and tom the same person?

I find it highly unlikely that a snake would develop a URI to the point that mucous(sp) was coming out its nose in 30 minutes. The fact that David had it sent to a place where people were waiting for it to arrive instead of his home where there was no one also speaks well for him. I can't find anyplace where David lied, perhaps you could point it out tom/jesse.

I can see where todd lied. He not only shipped a snake that obviously had an active URI but one that had a wound that only a blind man could miss.

tom/jesse, if I ever need help, PLEASE, PLEASE do not try to help me.

It really seems that todd is not to be held accountable for the delivery man not knocking/ringing but it is at that point his innocense comes to an end. The snake was sick and wounded when it was shipped.

Wes Pollock
 
Wes

I am posting on more thing at jesses request. He loves this site and doesnt want me to get him in trouble with the moderator. Wes, read the first reply i posted. That will answer your question.Thanks. And in regards to the trivial issue, Michelle if you bothered to READ the post, i said that todd would never lie about something so trivial. Never did i say that the snakes life was trivial, READ THE POST. Dont twist words.
Tom Teasdale
 
It's not really important who you are though if you're not jesse and you are using his account to post you are violating the TOS here.

The simple facts are todd lied. Then he got caught. Then he seems to willing to make it better. So far so good, so far.......

Bottom line is he, todd, lied and you don't seem to see or want to admit that.

History seems to repeat itself fairly often here. todd wasn't willing to do anything until he found out that it was being posted on the BOI. Then his "friend" helps him kill his reputation.

I think the next step is finding god and appologizing to all the nice people for being such a jerk.

Did I miss anything?

Wes Pollock
 
Hi!

Most everyone here knows who I am even though most of you know me as "Your Sick Uncle Morti." If anyone would like to doubt my expertise in snakes, please post here so you can be scoffed at openly.

Michelle (ldydrgn) is my wife, and it was our place that the snake was delivered to. David (bless his trusting little soul) told us that he was getting this snake and we volunteered to accept shipment for him. I was happy to do this as I know I could make a pretty good inspection of the snake upon arrival.

I have never had a good experience with airborne express. I was not aware that this was the method of shipping, or I would have advised David to request a change of shipper or back out of the deal. All that has already been hashed out.

When I did open the package, the temperatures in the box were close to the temps outside... High 30s. In retospect, I suppose I should have grabbed my temp gun and gotten an exact reading, but I was FAR more concerned about the well being of the animal.

I had to dig through a giant mound of shredded paper to even get to the heat pack. It was putting out precisely NO heat. It was cold to the touch. I should know. I touched it. There is no other way to describe or debate it... either due to ignorance or negligence on the part of the shipper, the heat pack had failed. That, to me, is just sad.

The wound is unlike any wound I had ever seen on snakes, and with the rescues I have seen, I've seen all kinds. It is perfectly circular, about 1/2 inch diameter. it sits about 2 inches anterier of mid body and about half an inch left of dorsal. I would not even begin to speculate on what caused it. It looks like a very small cookie cutter hole. While it was still raw looking when I unpacked the snake, it had begun to scab over and the edges looked especially crusty as though it had been there for a while. with the size of the wound, had this occured in shipping, there would have been blood and scale tissue in the bag. This was absent.

As has also been mentioned, the snake sprayed a fair amount of mucus on my wife's legs when we were attempting to warm her up. That doesn't happen from being at cold temps for 30 minutes either.

I know many people who would have sent this snake back and demanded their trade returned. I personally think that David was very fair and resonable in how he suggested that the situation be handled. I am glad that Todd agreed to the terms and when I hear that the situation has been resolved, it will be a happy day. All that having been said, I am not pleased with people who get on the BOI and spout things about which they have no knowledge purely in defense of a friend.

I am posting in defense of noone. Just stating facts. Speaking of Facts, Tom, You said,
Well, If todd says the wound wasn't there then i believe him. He doesn't lie. Especially about things as trivial as snakes. He is a very respectable person. His job requires that he is very honest.
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So why don't you practice what you preach wen you say things like:
READ THE POST. Dont twist words.
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Thanks for your time.
-Donnie "morti" Smith
 
Hey jr., you're finally right. I do know the answer.

You however, are such a pantload, that I'm not going to tell you.

Wes Pollock
 
Aspen can be very dusty and it isn't the best substrate to use for animals that require high humidity. Bloods are tricky to keep. They need humidity and yet a dry substrate. They are very prone to skin problems and RI's because of this. ANY snake prone to RI's should never be kept on aspen. Boas and cornsnakes are fine on aspen, but snakes like Rainbow boas, any in the genus Liasis, or any other snake requiring high humidity should be kept on cypress (those that aren't prone to skin problems) or newspaper and have a humid hide for the snake.

Too dusty and too dry conditions can easily initiate an RI.
 
Tom posted saying he had difficulties getting his own Fauna account and was using his room mate's account (so that is where the Jesse Smith came from) That sounds like a violation of the BOI in itself but he did state right up front that it was him. Since the two warning's on the Jesse Smith account were both on 20th of November for about the same type of posts that Tom Teasdale has been making on this thread. So even if a Moderator decides to give a warning point or two it really won't affect Tom here.

I really would like to see Todd reply to this thread because Tom you really aren't helping him a bit.

This thread isn't over until some issues are settled.

Issue #1) The heat pack wasn't properly activiated and/or failed.

Good discussion posted on how to properly activate the heat pack (or use two) and views on the shipping container. I doubt Todd will ever make this mistake again or will ensure that he verifies a good heat pack before shipping. Other people will learn from this.

Issue #2) Who Todd used as a shipper (Airborne Express) and why that can be bad.

Airborne Express doesn't knock on doors and with the heat pack not working that didn't help on a cold day (30-40 degrees)
What also didn't help was that the snake was in Ohio during the night and we don't know what the temperature status was.

Tom ranted about this in his post:

"...the snake should not have been out in 20 degree weather for 30 minutes(YOUR FAULT). Even if the heat pack was working(as you claim it was not), the ambient temp inside the box would have only been 35 degrees."

Heat pack discussion about only a 15 degree rise in temperature for a properly operating heatpack and suitable container. Now let's assume (best case) that the temperature in the Airborne Express truck was 70 degrees and the heat pack was working then the internal temperature would have been about 85 degrees. Now take the package out and set it in front of Michelle's door. Do you really think that the internal temperature of the sealed box with no air holes and I believe about 3/8"s to 1/2" of styrofoam inside the package sides will cause ambient internal temperature to drop that fast? If so why bother to insulate?
SInce the heatpack was not working then we can assume 70 degrees internal ambient temperature which would drop faster but not to outside ambient in 30 minutes.

Use Delta? Did you suggest that to Todd since he picked Airborne?

Results are that Todd said he would not use Airborne Express again. Other people now know that Airborne Express isn't the way to ship.

Issue #3) Respiratory Infection: Was it there before being shipped? Yes, it could have been. (someone want to add to the discussion about the length of time before mucus will be present during an RI?) Did the failed cold pack cause it to get worse? Sounds like it to me.

Results: One sick snake that David had to take to the vet and is now having to give shots to help the RI. Todd said he would pay this initial vet bill. I now know the proper way to give a shot to a snake.

Just as an aside, the email where Todd stated "I will not
pay the full bill. Remember the snake was left out in the cold as you said, which is out of my hands." was before Todd found out that the package was only outside the door for about 30 minutes base upon the tracking data that was posted. David did post at one point that Todd said he would now pay the complete vet bill.

This portion of the issue will not be completed until Todd actually pays David after seeing a copy of the Vet's bill for the snake.

Issue #4) Not so fresh injury to the snake as documented on pictures taken right after the package was opened.

Michelle and Morti know their snakes and how to take care of them. They stated it wasn't fresh, and others on here have stated the same. I'm just an EMT-B and my expertise is for human injuries or animal injuries growing up on a farm. So even if I say it didn't look fresh (it did not look fresh to me) to me I'm not the snake expert.

Results: When Todd pays the vet bill then this issue will be settled unless Todd and David decide otherwise or agree to some other settlement.

The vet bill was for the RI and the Injury care.

Did this hurt Todd's reputation? Maybe or Yes. That's up to how Todd handles the rest of this. So let's give Todd a chance to answer here on the BOI. (that's meansgive him a few days)

The Aspen question?
I may be wrong and other's may have their own opinion but my understanding is that aspen has a tendency to have dust (which can be breathed in) and doesn't maintain humidity well. So dry and dusty leads to a possible RI? Borneo's need a humid type hide and have pickier husbandry issues than other snakes that may be fine on aspen.

The last comment is again to Tom. Telling David that you won't monitor this thread any more and invite him to PM you at Jesse's address? (since you didn't give out your e-mail address) In my opinion that's in poor taste.

Hopefully this issue will be resolved in that the snake survives and has a healthy long life. That David and Todd work things out to some sort of mutual satisfaction.

My opinion is that Todd made some mistakes. How he corrects them is what matters now.

Kevin Scott
 
Thank you, Donnie & Kevin, for putting this chaos to a little bit of order ;) ! I just want it to be known that it was not my intent to flame Todd or deface his reputation when I started this thread. I merely wish to be treated as I treat others.....he got a good deal from me (the trade was heavily in his favor, money worth-wise) and all I wanted was a nice healthy female blood. I did not get what I wanted, so I was unhappy. Put youself in my shoes....what would you have done? I suppose we can all learn several (yes, Tom, meaning MORE than 3, lol!) valuable lessons from all this, which Kevin mentioned.....thats what matters the most to me personally-that we learn from our mistakes.

In retrospect, I would not have completed the deal had I known EVERYTHING about the snake, but I am glad she is here with me. She has endeared me with her plight and I believe all this happened for a reason-so Wilma (the blood's name) could have a second chance at a good life. I will give Michelle the Vet bill for her to scan and it will posted sometime soon. I thank all of those who have participated in a positive way and I cannot thank enough the friends of mine who have given me so much help throughout this ordeal (Kevin, Donnie, Michelle).

Happy Holidays everyone!
 
Tom wrote:

"Do you always pass things off to you friends? If you want to make sure something is taken care of you should do it yourself.

Anyone else find that more than slightly amusing coming from the guy posting on his FRIEND'S account??? :laugh:

That wound cannot have been fresh when the picture was taken. If you look closely at it, you can see that the scales surrounding the wound are already reorienting themselves in their alignment toward the center of the wound. This happens when the skin starts to tighten as it regenerates as a scar. It was likely not mroe than a few days old, but it has definitely started to HEAL, and that simply cannot have taken place in the amount of time during shipping.
 
Just as a side note...
Switching shippers may not make a difference. I have had every shipper leave packages on my doorstep in all kinds of weather--UPS, Airborne, Fed-ex--without knocking or ringing. Even when it says "live harmless reptile, keep at room temps". And even with some of them "requiring" a signature. I do believe airborne has a $3 option of making sure to get a signature--a special tag that gets scanned. But, be looking out for the trucks with any of these shippers.

Dana
 
Good point, Dana. The box that Todd used was the same box that I shipped his snake to him in, and it was clearly labeled 'perishable' and 'keep at room temps' or something of that nature. I have not had any problems with UPS or FedEx however. They always knock, in my experience.
 
While you are at it David

DavidBeard said:
I will give Michelle the Vet bill for her to scan and it will posted sometime soon.
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While you are at it David, why don't you get Michelle to scan and post a copy of your import permit. You know, the one that was <b>required</b> in order to bring this animal into the state of Kentucky legally. I'd be interested to see it along with your vet bill.
 
I do not have an import permit, Jim. I am unaware of any such permit. If you have any additional info, I'd greatly appreciate it.
 
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