Top Shelf Exotics (Inquiry)

[jglass38]

Bob,

Did Nicolai decide on his own to contact the vet or did you provide him with the info?

 

[tejasranger]

Bob,

Did Nicolai decide on his own to contact the vet or did you provide him with the info?

No, I suppose he did it on his own. She called me this morning saying that someone calling himself Nicolai sent her an email requesting information on the two snakes. I didn't know anything about it until then. Seems like he is showing more interest in verifying my complaint with TSE than Chris Johnson is.

 

[jglass38]

No, I suppose he did it on his own. She called me this morning saying that someone calling himself Nicolai sent her an email requesting information on the two snakes. I didn't know anything about it until then. Seems like he is showing more interest in verifying my complaint with TSE than Chris Johnson is.

Seems so. Makes me wonder why Chris didn't turn over the business operations to him. That's an odd step to take from my point of view...

 

[nicolai]

I contacted her myself to ask a few question so that i could post such here which is completely legal and warranted in this situation as her name was put here for all too see. Here is the email i sent her and her reply.


Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:42:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: "nicholas bonn" <[email protected]> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
Subject: female ball python treated 4/22/06
To: [email protected]

On 4.22/06 you treated a male ball python owned by Robert England and diagnosed it with begining stages of septicemic/blister disease. He was treated with Baytril and Metronidazole/Fenbendazole.
Was this a conclusive diagnosis? If so could you tell me what the typical reasons are for an animal to aquire this condition? Do you believe these animals were kept in poor conditions prior to Mr. England aquiring them? Do you believe this condition to be fatal or even a long term condition?
The reason i am asking these questions is due to the fact that your invoice/report was posted on the internet on Faunaclassifieds.com the largest reptile site in the US as proof to the conditon of these snakes after being purchased from another company.This is a direct link to the thread in question.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78572&page=11&pp=40

Your insight into the condition of these snakes would be greatly appreciated.


Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 07:53:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Amanda Neece" <[email protected]> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
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Subject: Re: female ball python treated 4/22/06
To: "nicholas bonn" <[email protected]>

To whom it may concern:
On April 22, 2006, I examined two ball pythons owned by Robert England. He had only had them since April 20, 2006. The male python had evidence of blister disease as well as early septicemia and giardia. He was treated with Baytril and Metronidazole/Fenbendazole. The female had giardia, but no evidence of blister disease. She was treated with Metronidazole/Fenbendazole. The most typical reasons for both of these conditions to manifest is poor husbandry and unsanitary conditions. The snakes had not been in Mr. England's possession long enough to have aquired the diseases from his facility. They had to have been exposed and incubating these diseases prior to his possession. If untreated, both septicemia and giardia can be life threatening.
Sincerely,
Amanda J Gardner Neece DVM


These emails are complete and unaltered. I wanted to know what causes these conditions and what the possible outcomes of it are, What better way to find out then going straight to the source.
Once again I am seeking the "FACTS" and nothing more. I am sure a few people will twist this around somehow to make me out the bad guy again but so be it. As Chris asked me to stay out of this, this will be my last post on this thread (unless ??? you know how that goes). Once again Robert...I neven once said I didn't believe you or your claims. No where did i accuse you of anything on this thread or in my email to the Vet, I only asked her professional opinion of what they had and how they could get it.
I hope everything ends up working out for you with TSE and everyone is happy in the end.

 

[nicolai]

Seems so. Makes me wonder why Chris didn't turn over the business operations to him. That's an odd step to take from my point of view...

I didnt even get my post up and somebody already turned it around!!! This was expected.

 

[tejasranger]

Seems so. Makes me wonder why Chris didn't turn over the business operations to him. That's an odd step to take from my point of view...

He may have done a better job, at least his posts on the BOI have some substance, whether you agree with him or not. Chris on the other hand keeps his posts free of any real substance or resolutions. I wonder how much of that procedure my $1500 is paying for?

 

[jglass38]

Obviously you don't care how it looks. You were willing to cross any boundaries. I wonder if you would have gone that far if your buddy wasn't the one whose reputation was on the line. Why was the vet report not good enough?

 

[jglass38]

He may have done a better job, at least his posts on the BOI have some substance, whether you agree with him or not. Chris on the other hand keeps his posts free of any real substance or resolutions. I wonder how much of that procedure my $1500 is paying for?

You get no disagreement from me! I have nothing against Nicolai except for what I believe to be his overzealousness in defending a friend who has done wrong. It just hasn't come off well. That said, he could run my business any day with that kind of dogged determination.

 

[nicolai]

Obviously you don't care how it looks. You were willing to cross any boundaries. I wonder if you would have gone that far if your buddy wasn't the one whose reputation was on the line. Why was the vet report not good enough?

I don't care. I think you the one that doesnt care. You havent added anything worthwhile to this thread and keep attcking me personaly when i havent done anything except seek the truth. Get off your high horse and look at my posts for what they really are.

Was the vet report good enough?? That wasnt the point, take your head out of the sand and read the email - I wanted to know what "CAUSES" the conditions. I didnt try to hide anything and posted everything for all to see.

 

[nicolai]

the begining of that post Should have said "i don't care????"" it was a question not a statement

 

[KNOBTAIL]

Nicholas, after receiving the vets report

you may want to consider the following. That even under the best of circumstances, no refund, no replacement , no response. What other avenues would you like Bob to pursue?

I am sure Chris's rent, charge card loans, mortgages, or any other financial obligations have to be met, regardless of whether he is sick or not. The banks still want their money,,,,,,,,,,on time and paid according to the terms that Chris agreed to. So how about Chris agreeing to his own terms that he set upon customers who paid him in advance. The world does not stop because he is ill. It may be unfortunate, but avenues for meeting ones obligations have to continue. His course of action is wrong, and it shows a complete disrespect for his customer, for his reputation, and for any possible future dealings if and when he ever wakes up from this nightmare that he has placed upon himself.

 

[jglass38]

I don't care. I think you the one that doesnt care. You havent added anything worthwhile to this thread and keep attcking me personaly when i havent done anything except seek the truth. Get off your high horse and look at my posts for what they really are.

Was the vet report good enough?? That wasnt the point, take your head out of the sand and read the email - I wanted to know what "CAUSES" the conditions. I didnt try to hide anything and posted everything for all to see.

Just because YOU don't believe that I haven't added anything to the thread doesn't make it so. Just like all the other people that may feel you have been a shill for Chris may not be correct. I am calling it as I see it and am not attacking you personally. Out of curiousity, why wouldn't you call your own vet to find out the causes?

 

[ravensgait]

Nick I hope you are this zealous here in the future as I can't recall you being like this in past BOI threads.

I wonder just how many people are waiting on orders from TSE? The way Chris makes it sound there must be a whole lot. Wonder why we haven't heard from more? Could it be they are frightened by Chris's threats? Gee what a great example for other business to follow!! Give us your money and we'll get ya something sometime. And don't complain or it'll take way longer for us to get around to you..

I look at all the people reading this thread right now:
ravensgait, markface, mouseman, shavemycoinpurse, HetForHuman, Melissa_Khrs, KNOBTAIL, Youkai, big daddy's wholesal, Zooey, viridisnakes, monkeywrench133, tejasranger, RJP Reptiles, jglass38, morphevolutions, KelliH, repfriend, Lizard Lair

and I wonder which of them are waiting on TSE. Randy

 

[Scott Ashton]

Out of curiousity, why wouldn't you call your own vet to find out the causes?

Or for that matter just do a Google (or insert your preferred search engine here) search?

 

[kmurphy]

It's possible that TSE doesn't have the inventory to fill the current orders since there are 5 or 6 want ads on kingsnake all requesting new sources of CB reptiles.

I really feel badly for Chris's predicament but it seems to me that they should discontinue new sales until they have cleaned up the back log.

 

[jglass38]

It's possible that TSE doesn't have the inventory to fill the current orders since there are 5 or 6 want ads on kingsnake all requesting new sources of CB reptiles.

I really feel badly for Chris's predicament but it seems to me that they should discontinue new sales until they have cleaned up the back log.

Which brings us once again back to one of the unanswered questions...Are they only selling TSE produced BP morphs or are they reselling?

 

[kmurphy]

there are 5 or 6 want ads on kingsnake all requesting new sources of CB reptiles.

It appears that they have all been pulled.

 

[tejasranger]

Sorry it has been some time since I have addressed things here....

First I will say that I have not bothered to read recent additions to this thread. I am home hor a short time before addmittance and I thought I would add a few comments since some people apparently had a tough timeswallowing my recent statement.

Let me reinterate.......

I made it perfectly clear that I was in no condition or had no intentions of involving myself with these issues since my health concerns posed a much greater priority. And to make it even more clear for those of you who have chosen to ignore what I have said, they remain my sole priority.

How "bleeping" much time and energy does it take to write a check and put it in the mail? My sole priority is to get a refund, one that is guaranteed to me by your own website.

I checked my mail today and was quite amazed at a few rude messages. For those of you who could "care less" about my personal situation and feel I am able to handle these situations despite what I have said I must extend my sincerest apologies as my physicians and common sense tell me quite differently.

What do you want me to do? Hold a telethon for you? This poor me act is getting old, really old. Just meet your commitments.

I would not wish my recent ailments on anyone, not even you few folks who decided that threats or rude behavior may be a means to an end.

Blah, Blah, Blah. That statement is getting old as well, we've heard it before. Let me give it a try " Oh, I would not wish my recent transaction with Chris Johnson owner of TSE on anyone, well maybe Pat/Glenn/Chris."

I have news for you, it is not. In fact I have instructed anyone who send such an message be ignored completely and left for me to deal with when I return. Those who wish to complicate matters or make this process more agonizing for them than it already has been can wait. The folks who have been patient and understanding through these trying times will be given priority.

You left instructions to ignore me? It's funny that the most damning quotes about your integrity and lack of ethics can all be attributed to you. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Chris, a man without honor is no man at all.

I even caught wind of a blackmail effort recently! Something along the lines of a customer waiting on a substantially small order in comparison to most of our pending orders who demanded their order be shipped immediately. He also demanded he be shipped roughly three to six thousand dollars in additional animals in order to buy his "silence" from posting on forums and various other threats. You would have to see it, even the few folks here I am sure are ripping me a "new one" in my absense would enjoy it greatly. I can say with confidence that this individual will be the very last person to be served as per my instruction. If this child wishes to behave appropriately he may contact me and I'll be happy to instruct sales to unblock his email.

You know what they say "Bird of a feather, flock together." Maybe he was just trying to give as good as he was getting from you.
The only thing I would enjoy right now is the sound of the Fedex guy bringing me my refund check. Could the above statement from you mean that I may be the 2nd to last customer to be served?

Since I do not know when the next time I will be able to address you people will be and I do not have the time to address customers individually I thought I would post a breif update.

You took my money individually, I wasn't part of some group purchase plan.You at least owe me the respect to contact me individually. As I have said before I talked to you, not Pat/Glenn when I made the purchase.

Things were coming along fairly well the last time I spoke here. Orders were shipping, extra trucks arriving for pickups, progress. Since then however I have been contacted numerous times regarding claims made as a direct result of this compilation of assinine accusation and ignorance. Between the efforts to keep carriers paid and accounts active this has only complicated things further as I am not always available to address these types of issues which I can only address myself.

"compilation of assinine accuasations and ignorance" What you don't want to mention the truth that was brought up in this thread? But that wouldn't square with your "victim of circumstance" defense. You think that people should just let you take their money, and then shut up and leave you alone?

And of course it never ends there. People want immediate and undivided attention, and god I wish I could give it to them. Hearing what has been said breifly from a few I have spoken with I only wish I could take this situation and dump it on some of your laps. I would take extrordinary pleasure in watching some particular individuals eat every last word spoken here.

Here we go again "Poor Chris" "I'm not a thief, I'm just a bad businessman"
"I treat customers like crap, but I've got a good heart". How stupid do you think most people are? You just can't stand looking in the mirror, and have a thief staring back at you. Hey if you would like to dump something in my lap, lets start with a cashiers check for $1609. "some people", more vagaries, be a man say who you mean.

There was a mess they were fighting when I first spoke here, and now there is an even bigger mess and they have some of the wonderful members of fauna to thank. I could only imagine the mess ten fold if they had taken the time to bite at the bait left for them here. Then to top it off I am sure it would have been followed by a "you have time to post then you have time to ship my order" or similar.

The magician's and scam artist's greatest asset "Misdirection", "Don't look at me, look over there."

It is a lose lose situation and unfortunately this horrible situation keeps meeting roadblock after roadblock. And even more unfortunate, our customers are left to suffer. At this point I could care less for whatever is left for me when I return, I just hope for the quick resolution of pending matters and a quick recovery for myself.

Please, give me a break, you've already said you don't care about anything but yourself, did you forget? You want a quick resolution, sent that cashiers check.

Perhaps I'll return to something more than angry customers and ignorant accusation. One could only hope

The smart money says "Don't Bet On It". I like it when you say "Ignorant accusations", when you really mean, "Oh no they found out we are selling sick snakes, and ignoring their requests for the phoney 100 % guarantee.

I'll be sure to chime in when I am able too in about a week or two, hopefully sooner. Correspondence is to be sent to [email protected] as it will be quite some time before I can check my personal mail and I will not have access to a PC for a while. Despite numerous snags orders are still shipping. There may be a few problems with our toll free service in coming days however as claims cleared that particular account and I am sure that bill was due a week or so ago. Not that they had much time to be belittled via telephone anyways And for those who are waiting for correspondence please be aware that I have instructed them that their SOLE priority aside from required feeding and such is SHIPPING SHIPPING and more SHIPPING. They email ppl before all shipments so be aware.

Oh please do chime in, it will be so lovely to hear from you, telling everyone that your are still sick, and how you don't have the energy to meet your commitments. And how you wouldn't wish your illness on anyone. Blah, Blah, Blah "Ignorant accusations" Blah, Blah, Blah, "Useless BOI", Blah, Blah, Blah.

P.S.
Sorry Rich, Just let me know what I owe you for venting, It's got to be cheaper than a therapist.

 

[varnyard]

I must agree with Bob on this one. Chris's attitude seems to be. Oh, spend your money with me. But if you are not happy, then so what. You will be the last one to get anything (EVEN THOUGH HE HAS BOB'S MONEY!!!!) Nick you want to talk about facts, Well, there it is in black and white. As I have said many times. Say what you mean, and mean what you say. Anything else is far from the truth. OH, poor Chris, he is so sick.. But not too sick to come here and ruin any chance to redeem himself. Talk about facts, does anyone have any proof that Chris is sick at all???? Lets see some proof of that one. At this point I am not going to believe it until some proof is provided. That said, Chris will IMHO, fall under the scammer list in my book.
Lets see the Facts!! How could he be listed as any less? Sick snakes, or nothing at all. Wake up and look at this.

 

[Cat_72]

Well, I guess since I already sent TSE an email on Friday asking for a refund, I'm on the bottom of the list too. I ordered in February, it is now MAY. The snakes he DID send out were sick. I don't think there's many people that would still be "patient" at this point, and how many people want to take the chance of bringing sick snakes into their collection. Bob asks for what is designated in TSE's own TOS, and he's told he basically has to wait indefinitely to even be granted the favor of a response?

Chris comes on here and basically tells us tough , keep waiting, and if you don't like it, you'll wait longer. At this point, I DO feel like I've been ripped off. I'd like to know how many more "customers" out there still feel confident in the purchases they are waiting on?

And Nicholai.......come on. How long have you been "in reptiles"? Can you honestly tell me that you don't know what causes belly rot? And what's with asking the vet if she really thinks that it is "a fatal or even long term disease"?

I don't want sick snakes, and I don't want my money tied up for months with nothing to show for it......and I don't want to be treated like crap. Is that too much for a "customer" to ask?