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[SVT Snake]

The sooner we get this thing going the better. I know Cat is still waiting to hear back from Bob, but in the meantime we still need to agree on a name and get everything set up.

 

[Cat_72]

How did my post insinuate otherwise?

I was under the impression from the previous posts that y'all are planning a "secret club TSE informational breeding project what do we do?" forum that only certain people are going to have access to. Am I wrong in that impression. Is this new forum going to be accessible to ALL of us that want to see Chris prosecuted or just to a select few that are 'worthy'? (I don't care one way or another . . . the benefit is it would keep Chris of TSE from reading some of the stuff posted here. On the other hand, I'm nosey enough I'd like to be kept 'in the loop' as well. )

It sounded to me like it was only going to be accessible to only a select few that are 'worthy'. The post I quoted indicated that people who bought stuff through the auctions should have a right to be in the 'secret club'. I merely indicated that those individuals received a product for their contribution and didn't deserve the same 'right' as someone that donated (made an actual sacrifice) items for the auctions.

I guess if the new forum isn't going to be a 'super secret society' then it's a moot point regardless. Anyway, I hesitated to make that previous post to begin with . . .
Brent Newman

I didn't say that your original post said otherwise, I was actually agreeing with you, that we would all like to see him prosecuted.

That said, participation in this planned forum has nothing to do with worthiness, it has to do with either being unlucky enough to be a victim of the TSE scam, or caring enough to actually do something to try to help. Believe me, I would rather not have had the need to have even had this forum to begin with, more less be "worthy" of being a member of it. The whole idea of keeping it limited to those who have an actual stake in the matter is to avoid silly bickering just like this.

 

[Lucille]

I do not know if it is technically possible, but you might consider a closed forum for the group but somehow establish an open thread for those who, like me, would like to make the occasional helpful suggestion,and perhaps some would like to donate, and to have y'all publish updates once in a while. There are many who although not involved, wish y'all the best and genuinely care about the outcome.

 

[Bill_Leverton]

I do not know if it is technically possible, but you might consider a closed forum for the group but somehow establish an open thread for those who, like me, would like to make the occasional helpful suggestion,and perhaps some would like to donate, and to have y'all publish updates once in a while. There are many who although not involved, wish y'all the best and genuinely care about the outcome.

While it seems good in theory,I think that anybody who really doesn't have anything invested being able to make suggestions, would really defeat the purpose of the forum, if we were going to do that then we should just keep it open so every Tom, Dick and Harriette could voice their opinion,And watch it turn into a zoo.Sorry I just don't see that idea working..( and please don't Neg me again, because I hurt your feelings sorry no keys for you )

 

[Lucille]

Bill you are particularly obtuse, but that seems to be a trait of yours and in this case it is working to hurt other people who were the victims of Chris and may actually work to prevent a recovery if you exclude outside help.
I have already made a suggestion via private email to Cathy which she thought was a good one. I believe that Fauna is a community and that we have many people that can help in various ways although they were not the subject of a particular injury. Rich has volunteered a forum, for instance.. You are putting very little thought into your answers right now Bill; I think for once you should try to think before you give an answer as this issue is really important and there are people who have lost money. I think we should figure a way to have the injured group proceed with private deliberations yet be able to take advantage of the assistance of the community as they offer contributions and ideas.

 

[Bill_Leverton]

Bill you are particularly obtuse, but that seems to be a trait of yours and in this case it is working to hurt other people who were the victims of Chris and may actually work to prevent a recovery if you exclude outside help. I have already made a suggestion via private email to Cathy which she thought was a good one. I believe that Fauna is a community and that we have many people that can help in various ways although they were not the subject of a particular injury. Rich has volunteered a forum, for instance.. You are putting very little thought into your answers right now Bill; I think for once you should try to think before you give an answer as this issue is really important and there are people who have lost money. I think we should figure a way to have the injured group proceed with private deliberations yet be able to take advantage of the assistance of the community as they offer contributions and ideas.

I may be obtuse in your mind, and that is all fine and well, And I'm glad Cathy thinks your idea is a good one,and yes Fauna is a community (good one at that) But IMO every once in a while as a whole, it is good in situations like this, not to have too many cooks in the kitchen, Yes Rich is going to donate a forum,that is really cool,But the point that seems to escape you (I say this for myself) that any outside interference would not bring solutions, only problems and I'm sorry but I really don't see it working that way. But I'll tell you what. And I mean no disrespect at all, Why don't you start a poll and see how the "Community" feels this should be handled.

 

[Lucille]

I may be obtuse in your mind, and that is all fine and well, And I'm glad Cathy thinks your idea is a good one,and yes Fauna is a community (good one at that) But IMO every once in a while as a whole, it is good in situations like this, not to have too many cooks in the kitchen, Yes Rich is going to donate a forum,that is really cool,But the point that seems to escape you (I say this for myself) that any outside interference would not bring solutions, only problems and I'm sorry but I really don't see it working that way. But I'll tell you what. And I mean no disrespect at all, Why don't you start a poll and see how the "Community" feels this should be handled.

Bill,
I have supported the idea of a closed forum, but I am merely saying that others should be able to contribute ideas and funds; helpful ideas are not 'too many cooks' they are ways for this community to be able to give assistance to those who have been ripped off.
People have lost serious money here, Bill. You have been caught scamming, lying and cheating. Even recently, you have (and I recorded one) posted ads where you say you are leaving the reptile business, inevitably followed a few days later by a retraction. Fake going out of business sales are a statutory crime in my jurisdiction Bill. And instead of trying to rebuild yourself by helping those less fortunate, you are running around taking little digs at people who are trying to help. Grow up Bill. This is not a playground, people are out serious money, Bill.
Back to the subject at hand: Although the investigation and so on can be private and I have no problem with that, I think that each of us have experiences and thoughts that may help out here. For instance, I do not know if any of y'all who have lost money have looked into section 165 of the Federal Tax Code, but after all is said and done it is worth reviewing for the possibility of recouping some of your losses via a deduction. I believe in many ways the IRS is going to be of value here, the idea I gave to Cathy belongs only in the closed forum but I think that such suggestions will certainly help the cause.
I think Fauna is awesome and I know that if each of us gives what assistance we are able, we can be at our very best in helping those who have been hurt by scams both now and in the future.

 

[Bill_Leverton]

Bill,
I have supported the idea of a closed forum, but I am merely saying that others should be able to contribute ideas and funds; helpful ideas are not 'too many cooks' they are ways for this community to be able to give assistance to those who have been ripped off.
People have lost serious money here,

Lucille I know people are out serious money are you just coming to that conclusion ? I was 1 of the first to pony up, Just for that fact..

Bill. You have been caught scamming, lying and cheating. Even recently, you have (and I recorded one) posted ads where you say you are leaving the reptile business, inevitably followed a few days later by a retraction. Fake going out of business sales are a statutory crime in my jurisdiction Bill. And instead of trying to rebuild yourself by helping those less fortunate, you are running around taking little digs at people who are trying to help. Grow up Bill. This is not a playground, people are out serious money, Bill.

Well I'm sorry that People are selling awesome Boas and I buy them, But you know what ? you show me where I say I'm still in business, I'm just a collector at this point, But you know me so well huh ? . And yes this isn't a play ground, And, I don't want to grow up I like myself just fine the way I am so get over yourself will ya ? But personal feelings aside yes lets get back to subject at hand

Back to the subject at hand: Although the investigation and so on can be private and I have no problem with that, I think that each of us have experiences and thoughts that may help out here. For instance, I do not know if any of y'all who have lost money have looked into section 165 of the Federal Tax Code, but after all is said and done it is worth reviewing for the possibility of recouping some of your losses via a deduction. I believe in many ways the IRS is going to be of value here, the idea I gave to Cathy belongs only in the closed forum but I think that such suggestions will certainly help the cause.
I think Fauna is awesome and I know that if each of us gives what assistance we are able, we can be at our very best in helping those who have been hurt by scams both now and in the future.

That is real good peice of info there and that is worthy of a thank you.

 

[Bill_Leverton]

To the community I'm sorry I let my personal feelings get the best of me, I just found a nifty button and I'll just use it.

 

[cahrens]

Lucille,
The problem with other people being able to contribute ideas is that it will create small squabbles everywhere. These last few posts are a perfect example. You suggested:

I do not know if it is technically possible, but you might consider a closed forum for the group but somehow establish an open thread for those who, like me, would like to make the occasional helpful suggestion,and perhaps some would like to donate, and to have y'all publish updates once in a while. There are many who although not involved, wish y'all the best and genuinely care about the outcome.

Bill replied:

While it seems good in theory,I think that anybody who really doesn't have anything invested being able to make suggestions, would really defeat the purpose of the forum, if we were going to do that then we should just keep it open so every Tom, Dick and Harriette could voice their opinion,And watch it turn into a zoo.Sorry I just don't see that idea working..( and please don't Neg me again, because I hurt your feelings sorry no keys for you )

and you said:

Bill you are particularly obtuse, but that seems to be a trait of yours and in this case it is working to hurt other people who were the victims of Chris and may actually work to prevent a recovery if you exclude outside help.
I have already made a suggestion via private email to Cathy which she thought was a good one. I believe that Fauna is a community and that we have many people that can help in various ways although they were not the subject of a particular injury. Rich has volunteered a forum, for instance.. You are putting very little thought into your answers right now Bill; I think for once you should try to think before you give an answer as this issue is really important and there are people who have lost money. I think we should figure a way to have the injured group proceed with private deliberations yet be able to take advantage of the assistance of the community as they offer contributions and ideas.

Here's a situation where someone(Lucille) who is not financially involved, offers a suggestion/idea. Someone else(Bill) who does have money involved, says Thanks but no thanks. The next thing out of your mouth(Lucille) is an insult. You then proceed to stick your tongue out at Bill and tell him you "already made a suggestion via private email to Cathy which she thought was a good one".
I happed to agree with both of you that it needs to be a private forum. You can only post if you're in 1 of 3 groups of people. 1-paid and got nothing. 2-paid and got fake hets. 3-donated money or goods for auction. That's it. Not the people who won and received something in auction and not nosey people with ideas that they think nobody else has the intelligence to think up on their own. Otherwise any good information or ideas will be lost in pages of squabbles such as this 1. I also don't think that anyone should be able to donate money now to be included in this forum. The idea isn't to be able to buy your way in just because you want to stick your nose in it. The people who donated money and goods did so out of goodness of heart, not because they knew it would get them a vote in all this. -Chris

 

[cahrens]

The sooner we get this thing going the better. I know Cat is still waiting to hear back from Bob, but in the meantime we still need to agree on a name and get everything set up.

How about
Recuperation committee

It eliminates any legal problems about using the TSE name and it describes the forum accurately. I personally don't care what it's called as long as it's not too girly. Lets get it up and running and we'll work out the details as we go. -Chris

 

[Bill_Leverton]

Lucille,
Here's a situation where someone(Lucille) who is not financially involved, offers a suggestion/idea. Someone else(Bill) who does have money involved, says Thanks but no thanks. The next thing out of your mouth(Lucille) is an insult. You then proceed to stick your tongue out at Bill and tell him you "already made a suggestion via private email to Cathy which she thought was a good one".
I happed to agree with both of you that it needs to be a private forum.

That is exactly how I took that,and if I took that wrong then its a mistake on my part.

You can only post if you're in 1 of 3 groups of people. 1-paid and got nothing. 2-paid and got fake hets. 3-donated money or goods for auction. That's it. Not the people who won and received something in auction and not nosey people with ideas that they think nobody else has the intelligence to think up on their own. Otherwise any good information or ideas will be lost in pages of squabbles such as this 1. I also don't think that anyone should be able to donate money now to be included in this forum. The idea isn't to be able to buy your way in just because you want to stick your nose in it. The people who donated money and goods did so out of goodness of heart, not because they knew it would get them a vote in all this. -Chris

That is all I've been saying all along 3 Groups, Don't get me wrong but from where I stand its all about helping those that got bent over the big rock...I really didn't think that by my few pennies a couple of months ago would be going to anything but a civil defence.....Well hopefully today, It will be going towards something of a greater pleasure. People getting something in return.

 

[Bill_Leverton]

How about
Recuperation committee

It eliminates any legal problems about using the TSE name and it describes the forum accurately. I personally don't care what it's called as long as it's not too girly. Lets get it up and running and we'll work out the details as we go. -Chris

That sounds like a good name, Lets use it.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Lucille,
I choose not to quote those parts of your post #2627 where you trash another poster here because of a past, and IMO much atoned for, incident. But what a disgusting tangent, to where you have even "recorded" evidence of something so petty and immaterial. Open a new thread if you need to unload, and my money will be bet that you get ripped to shreds. Maybe in every post someone has here in disagreement to you, the poster can first list all known transgressions by you, add some extra spin, and thereby undermine your integrity to the new reader. To the poster who said it was a perfect example of a good reason to take the discussion private ...... I agree.

 

[Cat_72]

"Recuperation commitee" works for me.....if no one else has any issues with it. Let me know if that's the "final answer". I'll get to setting up the email and such.

And just FYI....just some wise advice I should have listened to much sooner....

Originally Posted by Dennis Hultman
A gift, to all here.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/for...st=ignore&u=340

Afterwards, this


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Originally Posted by Chameleon Company
When you put me on Fauna "ignore", which doesn't exist BTW, do you just get a big blank when I post ?

Magically becomes

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This message is hidden because Chameleon Company is on your ignore list.



On EVERY single post (past and future) by the user, site wide!
Your Welcome!

 

[Chameleon Company]

My, but don't some people always have things in such a knot !

As they say ladies, "if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen".

 

[kmurphy]

Fauna Ignore -

I can't believe this is a often used tool. No matter how much you disagree with a poster it is hard not to read their posts. I know I couldn't do it.

I have nothing against Lucille but Chris' post regarding her exchange with Bill was on the money. It has nothing to do with agreeing/disagreeing with her suggestion. She just brought it to a new level.

 

[Cat_72]

Kevin, it just makes things more pleasant. This is the first time I've actually used it, and I like it.

Anyway, back to the topic here....I have yet to hear back from Bob England, but if no one voices any objections to the proposed forum name, I can start getting mailing lists lists together from the information I already have from Derek, and get the email address set up and sent to those whose name I have tonight.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Kevin,
I confess having a certain affinity for it as well ... not to use it personally, but rather for the humor of seeing others use it as a means of avoiding criticism and/or accountability. As you can see in this thread, some members here want to be able to trash other posters who have taken disagreement with them, often importing any mud they can reach for, and at times spinning it so as to fabricate anew. Rather than face the criticism and disagreement which may result, they merely invoke the "ignore" button ... kind of an "I cannot read it, so therefore it does not exist", and all is pleasant in La-La Land ! I believe this set of smilies illustrates the mentality

 

[Bill_Leverton]

"Recuperation commitee" works for me.....if no one else has any issues with it. Let me know if that's the "final answer". I'll get to setting up the email and such.

And just FYI....just some wise advice I should have listened to much sooner....

Cathy like I said above lets use it, Its direct and to the point