THE GAME IS OVER JENNIFER HARRISON!!!
You know at first I was starting to wonder myself how this C.B.B. Het Clown came to be so sick after feeding twice and being produced and raised since she hatched with no sickness ever!!! Now I see that we have all been snowed by the need for sympathy by Jennifer Harrison during her ordeal and the need to blame someone other than herself. If you want the truth then READ BELOW AT YOUR ON RISK !!! The rest of you and all of your comments of rudeness can do exactly what I cannot tell you to do on this forum and you can do it with a smile!!! Here is the truth and the lies,,
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11-20-07 #20 on the BOI Jen Wrote,
"It was a very weird first week when she got here -- she ate, then she got sick. She never regurged the rats, but she started majorly wheezing and gurgling with a lot of goo, which is why I had to start her on antibiotics"
The weight loss is another thing that is worrying me -- I didn't think they lost weight when they got sick with respiratory problems, but this is all new to me as I've never had an RI to deal with, so maybe it's common
FEBRUARY 23, 2007 ON THE SNAKE KEEPER FORUM JEN WROTE,
JenHarrison
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 7:29 am Post subject: New WC females...
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So the WC females I bought a month ago have FINALLY arrived, since we had to wait out the super-cold spell that was tormenting Wisconsin for weeks. They're both gorgeous -- the first one is the silvery girl I had picked out as being very similar to Java, and the second girl is this amazing khaki color, kind of like Sahara was for those of you that remember her. The second girl was free -- the seller knew I liked her and included her with the first girl after I'd already paid since he couldn't get them shipped in time before the cold weather sank in. Very cool. Both have a few scars and roughed up scales but they weren't imported that long ago, so after a few good sheds they should look good as new. Good thing I have African rats now.
Here's the Java-ish girl...can't decide on a name yet:
And here's the other girl, who I'm going to name Kalahari:
And the pair:
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FEBRUARY 23, 2007 JEN WROTE ON TSK FORUM SAME THREAD
Fiji? I like that. I'll have to put that in my name reserves for when I get babies from Angel...I plan on keeping her daughters. Shiva is now the silver girl.
So here's an update...
I checked on them tonight when I got home from work, and realized that Kalahari is a ringer too:
She also is either carrying eggs or has some very large follicles inside her -- 4 to be exact. Based on how swollen she looks and feels, she is either building up to ovulation or is already gravid. I guess we'll see what happens. One question I'm curious about is if females ovulate only when they've been bred by a male, or if they ovulate no matter what every winter. If it's the first, then it means she's been bred and I'm curious to see what she could throw. Here are a few pics, give me your thoughts:
Shiva, on the other hand, is going to need a trip to the vet as soon as possible. She had runny poo tonight (they weren't treated for internal parasites) and I discovered she's got a bad RI -- bubbles and goo coming out of her nose and mouth. SO I'm calling the 24-hour ER vet to find out if they treat snakes so I can bring her in tomorrow or Sunday. Otherwise she'll have to wait until Monday and I don't want to wait that long. Any thoughts on how to keep her safe and comfy until then (other than keeping her warm and dry)?
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I WROTE ON 11-09-07
You did state to me that you had received another snake that was not doing very well, I believe it was one you said was a rescue because you had posted it on the forum. Also that you have two CH ball pythons in your collection and it was hard to regulate your temps in your house because i was an old Fire Station.
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Wyatt, I'm not sure where you came up with all of that info nor why you're bringing it up here -- what you just posted was a garbled mix of info from various threads that aren't in any way related to this issue.
Yes, I live in a modern fire station. What does that have to do with this thread?
No, I do not have trouble regulating temperatures -- my household temp is 74 controlled by a spanking new central heat/air system that my landlord put in when I moved in. My snake room temp is 78-80 during the day, 76 at night. They are all maintained in AP racks controlled by Helix DBS1000 thermostats set to keep the heat cable in the back at 92, which keeps the front end at 80-82. They don't experience any other temps. Each rack has a separate ACU-RITE thermometer that I use to make sure the temps really are what the thermostats are reading them as. I've never had any equipment fail or fluctuate. I have kept my snakes this way for 3 years and have never once had a single RI or illness until now. I do not cool my snakes whatsoever for breeding...so yet again, not sure where you got that from? Temps are now what they always have been.
I did have another snake develop an RI the same exact day that the het clown did, my vet can verify this, and she subsequently passed away despite being simultaneously treated with Baytril in exactly the same manner that the het clown was being treated. She was an established animal in my collection for months that had never been sick at any time. They were also not housed together, in 2 entirely separate racks in different areas of the room. I don't cross-contaminate, I wear gloves any time I do ANYTHING in the snake room, change them between each snake/tub, and everything is sanitized before moving from snake to snake or tub to tub -- including my hands. The only contamination would have been by air.
I did have a rescue, but other than being malnutritioned, there was nothing wrong with her. She had been here for months prior to your het clown arriving and thrived -- she was never sick at any point, never housed with these animals, and was recently sold in great health. So again, what does she have to do with this?
Also, what do my 2 CH ball pythons have to do with this issue? I have had one for 18 months, the other for almost 7 months. Both are healthy and doing great. Not sure why you brought them up?
Considering that the first female and the het clown got sick at the exact same time yet the first female had been in my collection for months without a single problem, how can you be so sure that your het clown didn't bring in an illness and it then passed to my female, both had the same couple-day incubation, then both got sick? This would be partially my fault for quarantining only in a separate rack on the opposite side of the room vs. in an entirely different room, but that's all the space in my home allows for. But the snake carrying the illness would NOT be my fault. Considering that there are now 2 recently shipped snakes from you showing up with an RI and one having a damaged eye, that wouldn't make you wonder?
As I've mentioned multiple times, I'm not asking for anything from you. In some ways I feel that maybe I should, considering that I bought an "1100g breedable female het clown" and ended up with a 900g deathly-ill female that won't touch food except the first 2 she took before getting sick. I don't see her gaining 600g in the next few months and being healthy enough to breed.
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ON 12-01-07 JEN WROTE #122
Wyatt, I am e-mailing you this same information. As far as Dr. Gordon, his staff, and I am concerned, this is all a result of you sending an infected animal carrying a contagious virus. I have now spent over $500 in vet bills, lost 2 breeder females, and lost the ability to breed my 2 big projects this year (g-stripes and clowns) because the het females are shot to hell and have lost too much weight/health (and still may die if we can't bring them back).
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THEN ON MARCH 2, 2007 JEN WROTE ON THE TSK FORUM,
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:40 am Post subject:
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Well, Shiva didn't survive. I started her on Tylan injections, but it didn't make a difference and she died today. She was here exactly 7 days.
I doubt she got that severe of an RI from an overnight trip, she had to have been shipped sick...I'm going to e-mail the seller and see what he has to say.
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MARCH 2, 2007 YOU WROTE ON TSK FORUM
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:40 am Post subject:
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I didn't expect a refund, health guarantees rarely apply to WC animals and even if they did, it wouldn't cover 7 days. I did e-mail him though and he feels bad that she didn't make it very long, so he said when he gets a new batch of animals in, he'll make up for it.
I liked her.
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Yep. The second girl he added in as a way to make up for not shipping right away after I paid then being stuck for a few weeks due to weather. He's been really cool so far, I couldn't complain much. I still think she was sick before he shipped her, but it may not have been bad enough to notice. The stress of shipping and a possible chill (despite 4 heat packs) may have been what triggered her to get such a bad RI.
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But yet Jennifer as you stated, you have never dealt with this before or these symptoms or much less had WC adult ball pythons placed in your collection without effective quarantine methods as you stated in the begining of this thread. To be honest I was going to help you out with this and yes I was going to deal with this in a more private manner but with all of these lies, who knows who you are going to do this to next.
Yep. The second girl he added in as a way to make up for not shipping right away after I paid then being stuck for a few weeks due to weather. He's been really cool so far, I couldn't complain much. I still think she was sick before he shipped her, but it may not have been bad enough to notice. The stress of shipping and a possible chill (despite 4 heat packs) may have been what triggered her to get such a bad RI.
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Sincerely,
Wyatt
