TW International Wyatt in Texas

[snake5007]

Looking at it that way, maybe i didn't have to apologise. If i've offended someone then i will apologise. It doesn't mean i'm going to stop giving my opinion, though.

 

[Wilomn]

Looking at it that way, maybe i didn't have to apologise. If i've offended someone then i will apologise. It doesn't mean i'm going to stop giving my opinion, though.

Gotta love a double standard. I'm sorry but I won't stop.

Also, some of us are familiar with cunny in its various uses. Further use of it from you or anyone else will not be overlooked. The post above was your "gimme."

 

[Pink Lady Exotics]

Tim, Cipro was prescribed by the 2nd vet when this was still thought to be bacterial. The 3rd vet is the one that diagnosed it as viral.

No copies to post yet, got hit with another snowstorm today and I'm not about to go drive in it with my daughter just to get some paperwork. It's supposed to snow all night, but if it's done by tomorrow and the roads are clear, I will be going over there. They will be posted here as they were asked for here.

 

[lanceheads]

Dang Jen! Your back to black type!
What happened? I loved the pink!
Randal

 

[Pink Lady Exotics]

It is no longer BOI material unless she can prove that it came from wyatt.....in which she has stated she cannot do.

This may change. For now, I have accepted this as my responsibility simply because I don't have a way to prove on paper that the virus came from the het clown -- not without euthanizing her and taking her apart, which would be unnecessary and unethical if she is finally on the road to getting better. However, I requested that the labs retest the fluid samples to find out how long the virus can stay alive outside a host and how long the incubation period is. Not sure if they are able to do it, but I asked and will be waiting to hear back. If anything happens to the het clown or either of the other sick females, I will be having a necropsy and samples sent out from them as well and will know more information from that. I am continuing to pursue this not to find a way to pin it on Wyatt (despite my feelings and my vet's analysis), but to get as much information about this virus as I can and put it publicly online (forums and my website). The more we can learn about it, the better. I do not want anyone else to go through this blindly like I had to. I wish the same mindset would be applied to animals that die of IBD or anything else -- research research research...so we can find a way to prevent/stop/treat things.

 

[Pink Lady Exotics]

Dang Jen! Your back to black type!
What happened? I loved the pink!
Randal

The page didn't load properly and I couldn't input the code. Pink away...

 

[critical bill]

This may change. For now, I have accepted this as my responsibility simply because I don't have a way to prove on paper that the virus came from the het clown -- not without euthanizing her and taking her apart, which would be unnecessary and unethical if she is finally on the road to getting better.

So what if it does change? You just stated that this isn't about pinning anything on wyatt anyway and you have already assumed full responsibility and stated you don't hold wyatt responsible.

Make up your mind and either move on or leave it as an open dispute until you have the proof.

You cant say it is his fault and then it isn't his fault and then it is his fault. If your timelines aren't ridiculous enough this fickle crap is going to be the icing on the cake for a lot of folks.

 

[Pink Lady Exotics]

You cant say it is his fault and then it isn't his fault and then it is his fault. If your timelines aren't ridiculous enough this fickle crap is going to be the icing on the cake for a lot of folks.

I never said it wasn't -- not sure where you're getting the flip-flopping from. I said I apologized for laying all the blame on him. That was it.

My timelines have all been the same, they've never changed.

 

[critical bill]

I will take responsibility for this virus spreading. I don't have a way to prove it -- not without euthanizing the het clown and doing a necropsy on her to find out how long she's had this virus herself. So Wyatt, I apologize for laying all the blame on you, and will chalk this up to an "I effed up" incident, hope my animals continue to get better, and that's about it.

Maybe this where I came to the conclusion you accepted responsibility and brought this situation to a close.

In essence what you stated is:

1) I take responsibility for the virus spreading.

2) I cant prove it ever came from wyatt.

3) I'm sorry I blamed wyatt for my own mistakes.

That is what it reads to me. I'm fairly sure its what it would read to just about anyone. You relieved him of responsibility and you accepted responsibility.

Check it out Jen, I'm smarter than a fifth grader. Maybe even a 7th grader. I have my days.

 

[Cat_72]

Maybe this where I came to the conclusion you accepted responsibility and brought this situation to a close.

In essence what you stated is:

1) I take responsibility for the virus spreading.

2) I cant prove it ever came from wyatt.

3) I'm sorry I blamed wyatt for my own mistakes.

That is what it reads to me. I'm fairly sure its what it would read to just about anyone. You relieved him of responsibility and you accepted responsibility.

Check it out Jen, I'm smarter than a fifth grader. Maybe even a 7th grader. I have my days.

Chuck....I think what Jen meant (please correct me if I am wrong , Jen....but this is how I read) was that she acknowledges that it was her responsibility that it spread thru her collection. At this point, she cannot prove that the illness came from Wyatt, but she is not releasing him from that part of the fault (the initial virus entering her home) until all of the test results come back. Thus the apology for laying ALL of the blame on him. Does that make more sense (or maybe it's still losing translation somewhere from female-ese? ) ?

I personally don't think there is a way to say with any degree of complete certainty where the virus came from (though I have been known to be wrong on occasion).....but I do know that I still don't consider Wyatt any less of a creep, he just dodged the bullet on this particular incident.

 

[critical bill]

Chuck....I think what Jen meant (please correct me if I am wrong , Jen....but this is how I read) was that she acknowledges that it was her responsibility that it spread thru her collection. At this point, she cannot prove that the illness came from Wyatt, but she is not releasing him from that part of the fault (the initial virus entering her home) until all of the test results come back. Thus the apology for laying ALL of the blame on him. Does that make more sense (or maybe it's still losing translation somewhere from female-ese? ) ?

I personally don't think there is a way to say with any degree of complete certainty where the virus came from (though I have been known to be wrong on occasion).....but I do know that I still don't consider Wyatt any less of a creep, he just dodged the bullet on this particular incident.

Honestly...I really don't know what she meant. Its obvious I took what she wrote one way while you took it to mean another.

Here is what she posted that defined closure on this issue to me:

"So Wyatt, I apologize for laying all the blame on you, and will chalk this up to an "I effed up" incident, hope my animals continue to get better, and that's about it."

Maybe I'm reading into that wrong, but it does seem to me that she has relieved wyatt of any responsibility. Maybe not for everybody who reads it, but it sure did read that way to me.

Now maybe I'm wrong again in interpreting what she really meant to say, but she clearly stated that she "effed up". And that is pretty much how I was able to draw my conclusion that it was over and she accepted total responsibility.

Personally, I think it was silly for her to post what she did until all the test results were in and they could be posted. I think she was tired of defending herself and tired of being harassed multiple times about her timelines. Maybe she felt pressure by all of this and simply gave up. She has lost animals that were near and dear to her and her breeding plans were shot clear out the window. It was a heartbreaker for her. With that said....I might have made the same choice myself to just bring this to an end and worry about it myself.

Now as far as wyatt is concerned...he is not a creep. He is a scumbag and that is much worse than a creep. He has ignored the possibility that this could have emanated from his collection since this thread started and he has stated numerous times along the way that he will not accept any responsibility. How can you even think to stand a chance at resolution when a scumbag like him wont even consider the possibilities.

I posted a link about one of wyatts customers receiving a snake with an RI that wyatt claimed received a clean bill of health from a vet and simply had allergies and a runny nose due to a relocation from Colorado to his "facility" in Texas.

Now let me ask you this. How is it that wyatt, this big ass breeder and solid business man, got a clean bill of health from his vet but yet his customer got a diagnosis from his own vet that diagnosed the snake with an RI that was baytril resistant and it eventually it died?

Was the snake misdiagnosed by wyatts vet or did it ever actually even see a vet? Did his customer actually see a vet report diagnosing it with allergies or did wyatt just tell him that?

And...oddly enough......Jen also has received a snake from wyatt that has an RI.

Wow....never underestimate the power of denial I guess.....and greed.

If you talk about wyatt you are wasting your breathe. If you deal with him after this crap you are wasting your money.

Thats how I feel as far as wyatt is concerned.

 

[Pink Lady Exotics]

I think what Jen meant (please correct me if I am wrong , Jen....but this is how I read) was that she acknowledges that it was her responsibility that it spread thru her collection. At this point, she cannot prove that the illness came from Wyatt, but she is not releasing him from that part of the fault (the initial virus entering her home) until all of the test results come back. Thus the apology for laying ALL of the blame on him.

Exactly -- finally someone gets what I say.

I think she was tired of defending herself and tired of being harassed multiple times about her timelines. Maybe she felt pressure by all of this and simply gave up. She has lost animals that were near and dear to her and her breeding plans were shot clear out the window. It was a heartbreaker for her. With that said....I might have made the same choice myself to just bring this to an end and worry about it myself.

BINGO. I have too much stress in my life as it is with my husband having been in Iraq for 13 months, having to raise my daughter by myself, not knowing when he is coming home, but knowing that when he does, it is only for 30 days then he has to leave again for another 18 months because his OIC is a douchebag and screwed up his promotion and his PCS availability to be stationed near home -- having to balance cooperating with my dad so he isn't here too much and doesn't have to give up his family life, while still getting enough hours for me at work to afford our bills, pay for my hobby, and now cover these high veterinary bills while still making sure I can give my daughter a Christmas. I finally had ONE thing to look forward to -- my collection of ball pythons finally coming together with the projects I really wanted to do and giving me the chance to have a really great season. Then this virus comes in, nobody knows what the heck it is or why it isn't responding to treatment, I have to go through 3 different vets to find answers, 2 of my favorite animals died, 3 others are very ill and 2 of those just happened to be the much-needed het females for my 2 big main projects -- the projects that were finally going to be able to prove to my husband that my hobby IS worthwhile and that it CAN pay for itself. But now it is completely blown apart and shot, and he is angry that he let me spend money on them in the first place. I come here to try to share information about this virus to prevent anyone else from dealing with it, and also confront Wyatt based on what my final reptile vet drew as a conclusion -- but I just end up getting picked apart by people who can't read or misunderstand what I write (my information has been consistent and the same throughout this thread -- people just keep getting things mixed up). Wyatt doesn't respond to anything (here or e-mail), then when he does, he asks me to keep it off the BOI, only to come here hours later and explode with garbage that only reinforces what I had said and my timelines (or crap that he made up), shaking off all blame and trying to blame it on animals from 7 months ago or over a year ago. So I gave up -- it's pointless.

Does that mean I'm putting it to rest? No. On the BOI, yes, but on my end I am going to continue the research because no one else deserves to have to go through this and information is key to stopping it. If something comes up that would give a definitive answer that this virus came from him, then I will post it. That's why I said that. It wouldn't make sense to not bring it back up if something did show up. But if it doesn't, then the part regarding Wyatt is over.

At this point, I am tired of repeating things I have already said in previous posts, tired of reiterating the same dates and information, tired of having to clarify Wyatt's regurgitated messed up info, tired of fighting my "case" when in actuality, I don't have anything solid enough to pin it on the het clown, regardless of my vet's opinions and what I think is a little common sense about individual immune ability. So I conceded -- it's the only right thing to do considering the lack of solid enough evidence and my own responsibility regarding my improper quarantining ability. I have enough stress in my life -- I don't need any more, especially not here on the internet among a community that I rely on as my escape -- or I'm going to have a mental breakdown. The last thing that I had going for me or to look forward to is GONE.

 

[Wilomn]

my own responsibility regarding my improper quarantining ability.

Jen, that right there is the ENTIRE cause of this mess you've got.

It's a damn shame your breeding program is in the shape it's in but if you play with fire long enough you will get burned.

wyatt is a TOTAL scumbag but you made the decision to bring in all the animals you did and the bottom line is, you screwed up.

Your husband being gone is a shame but has no relevance, your father and his time, no relevance, your husband not being happy, a damn shame but not relevant.

You knowing you were not following proper quarentine yet proceeding as if you had a pass from above, relevant.

I do feel bad for you. Keep us posted on your animals.

 

[ravensgait]

Jen I've said it before and I think most here feel the same. I'm sorry this happened to you it sucks 6 ways from Sunday. I have to agree with Wes's assertation of this as he posted above. I'm sorry that you see some of us as just giving you a bad time, for myself I wanted to get the facts in this matter and you have to admit that things like you saying you never had dealt with an RI and then finding out that you had an animal with RI last spring. You said that this new snake coming into your well established collection was the cause! then we learn about the other animals that had recently been brought in. There were other things as well .

You feel you were given a bad time but did you think of Damion ? Yeah the guy seems to be a jerk but that doesn't make it OK to start a bad guy thread on someone without any solid proof. The guy has been called pretty much every name you can get away with using here. Damage has been done to what was left of his reputation and though I can't say much for the guy he has been made a victim here.

You should have waited till you had evidence(seems to be a problem here with waiting lately), you should have been more forthcoming about other recent arrivals in your collection and about getting a sick animal last spring and yes your time line as well. Now I choose to think that most of that was just an oversight on your part as well as concern for what was happening to your animals.

Again Sorry this happened to you and I hope your animals will soon be healthy again..Randy

 

[critical bill]

Yeah the guy seems to be a jerk but that doesn't make it OK to start a bad guy thread on someone without any solid proof.

She didnt start this thread, and it wasnt even started as a bad guy thread. It was an inquiry that Jen only added to.

 

[critical bill]

She didnt start this thread, and it wasnt even started as a bad guy thread. It was an inquiry that Jen only added to.

BTW, Randy. I wasn't so much trying to correct you as I was defining and clarifying the original intent of this thread for my buddy wyatt. wyatt seems to have HUGE problem with definitions and clarification.

Ain't that right buddy?

 

[Cat_72]

Now as far as wyatt is concerned...he is not a creep. He is a scumbag and that is much worse than a creep.

FWIW Bill....I backspaced the name I had originally used, and retyped "creep". Figured he wasn't worth the warning points.

I think Jen now understands her errors here, and we don't need to keep telling her. The difference between Jen and Wyatt is huge, though....I don't believe that Jen ever had any malicious intent, or intent to purposely "cover up" anything, and I believe she will learn from her mistakes as best she can. She truly cares about her animals, something that seems to be too few and far between anymore.

Wyatt, on the other hand, doesn't give a flying fart and will continue to be a, eh.......creep.

 

[ravensgait]

LOL yeah your right I misspoke or miswrote,,,but the thought is still the same she shouldn't have posted to the BOI till she had her ducks in a row.. ""wyatt seems to have HUGE problem with definitions and clarification."' yeah something like that..Randy

 

[ravensgait]

Here Cat I'll help you with that Creep-bag lol...

I do hope she understands that we were not out to get her here but just trying to get all the info.....Randy

 

[Cat_72]

Here Cat I'll help you with that Creep-bag lol...

I'm sure you can guess what I had originally typed.....or at least something very close to it.