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well i just had a real good experiance with sal and allison of upstate exotics. we worked out a trade deal for a very large amount of snakes and i recieved them on friday they were the best animale i have reicieved in a long time. just as advertised. i am glad i didnt listen to all the negitive reteric about them. i will defenitly give them my buisness again. they are the best
 
Apache137,

You have to have a full name on each and every post on the BOI, which is made in favor of or against a person or a company. Given the rarity of posts made in favor of Upstate Exotics, I certainly would hate to see this one get deleted right off the bat!

I am glad your deal worked out for you (assuming for the moment that it truly has, and you're not just waiting for the other shoe to drop!). However, the negative posts about Upstate are not just "rhetoric." Upstate Exotics is run by proven liars and scam artists. Of THAT there can be no credible dispute.

However, your scenario would go to prove that it is just as possible for BAD GUYS to have a good deal once in a blue moon, just like good guys can make a mistake every once in a while. I'd say even cheaters need a break from their cheating!
 
upstate

here is my full name for the post. sorry didnt know dan parma
 
upstate

well i am going on my dealings and they were a1 they are the nicest people around thanx dan parma
 
Wow. This is a first. I don't think I have EVER seen a good guy post about Upstate.
Maybe they are changing their ways.
 
I have to be fair. While it is true they have lots of bad guy posts.

I know of at least two that seemed fishy.

Some guy named dallas who could not prove that there was anything wrong at all with the boas.

And some girl who complained that the animal she got was junk.
Then she had an ad up saying how excellent the animals was.

Someone correct me if I got it wrong.
 
No you are not wrong, Ritchie.
This forum is for good as well as bad. And I can hardly blame one for starting a new thread as the other one is sooooo long that for fairness sake any good ones would be lost.
As good people can and do turn bad, the bad on occasion can and do turn good.
As of now I am not sticking up for upstate, I have to wait and see but I am also not going to down them to the ground with the pit falls they have had in their business.
 
Not to dispute any of the bad guy posts they have gotten but I do believe someone else did leave a good guy post for them awhile ago. I cant seem to remember who though, and I could be wrong also.
 
( Yes I know I should have searched first ) But I have a wicked headache and wasnt thinking, sorry. Anyway it appears they have actually had a few good guy posts.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14078

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21312

I have never dealt with them myself, but I have dealt with others that have, and surprisingly enough they have told me good things, I however have not dealt with them thanks to the BOI. I have learned to check here first regardless of what others tell me :D
 
I think in Upstate's favor, it might be nice to have the details of a GOOD DEAL posted here, just to balance the scale for everyone. I know personally I don't plan on buying snakes from them (all else considered, even if I wanted to, hubby says I can't buy ANY more snakes), but I would like to believe that there IS something GOOD to post about them.
 
Wow... Captive HATCHED boas?

How'd they come by those?

(I'm assuming my understanding of the procreation of boas or the meaning of CH must be off here)
 
Let's look at it this way.

If I had the reputation that upchuck has gotten themselves I would REALLY want to change it. Afterall it's hard to keep the suckers coming when there is sooooooooo much information about me and how little I care for my animals or customers so easily available. So, what do I do? Hmmmmmm, I know, I find someone and have them make a good guy post for me. MAYBE I even do a good job with them, for a change, so that they can be honest, even though I don't know why people place such value on honesty(alison), and tell the ACTUAL truth.

But as I am not a good friend of TRUTH, it may be that I just gave someone some animals, or gave them a really big discount, or did a website, or cough, cough, some home repairs for them in exchange for this positive posting. Because, afterall, I don't care how I get the positive attention, I just want to have it, it REALLY doesn't matter to me AT ALL what I have to do to get it.

Now Apache, if you really did do a good deal and are just being honest, then none of this will really apply to you, however, if you are a shill for upchuck, then SHAME on you. Just by being associated with them and admitting it you carry some of their stink with you wherever you go. Like it or not it's the truth, at least for me.

Before I would believe anything good about upchuck I would need pictoral evidence, paperwork, cancelled checks or bankstatements showing payments made and for how much and then regular checks to see that the person posting good for them still had the animals, they were still alive and healthy, and that there had been no monetary gain or any other benifit to the poster for making the post. In short, I find it VERY hard to believe.

Having seen the GREAT LENGTHS alison went through to save a lousy $180.00 I have no problem at all believing there is some shinanigans behind this one. And without OVERWHELMING proof to the contrary I will continue to believe in just such a manner.

Wes Pollock
 
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i find it funny that you guys spend so much time discrediting someone that you are starting to sound foolish. i just posted that i am very happy with the way my deal went down and decided to post something nice for a change when it is deserved. i think you people should get a life and start worrying about your own buisnesses instead of trying to tear everyone elses apart. sometimes the truth hurts doesnt it. thanx dan parma
 
Simple question for ya here Dan; were you stinging a lot or just a little when you wrote your last post?

If you were familiar with upchuck as many of us are, you would understand COMPLETELY why some such as myself are somewhat skeptical of any that are associated with them.

Wes Pollock
 
Thanks Dan! It was our pleasure doing business with you!

As far as wes' post. Dan first contacted me as he was pretty skeptical about doing business with us, due to some of the negativity here on the BOI. But he also saw our good posts.

After speaking with him and working out exactly what he wanted, he received the same customer service that our other customers receive. He was happy with the animals and happy with our service. Hence this thread.

I did not "pay him" as wes likes to think, to post something good here. I actually fouind out about this thread when one of our friends called and told me to take a look.

It's incrediable how everyone likes to look past all the good, to continue with the bad.

We've had good posts on here in the past, many well before some of the bad. So it's not fair to say, and ASSUME, that we are paying people off in order for them to come post a good guy post here.

Thanks Again Dan!
 
alison, alison, alison, no one, at least not me, assumed anything. You have PROVEN yourself MANY TIMES OVER as a liar, theif, and not nice person. Being such a person makes it no far stretch of the imagination to think you might resort to underhanded tactics to help bolster your failing reputation.

I ASSUME NOTHING.

You prove your character and lack thereof constantly.

I am not surprised you did well by Apache, if you really did, and I have posted what I would consider acceptable proof of such honest dealings. You really needed to do ONE right. After all, you have had several in a row that proved you out as, what is it called when you lie, steal, and then lie about stealing? Oh yeah, a liar and a theif and a really bad liar.

Wes Pollock
 
Coincidence??

With all of the bad press that Upstate has been getting lately, I find that this particular post seems to have come at an opportune time (for Upstate). I tend to agree with Wes, but I am only going on the highly coincidental nature of the "good guy" post. If the commendatory post is forthright, then I am truly happy for the customer.
 
i find it funny that you guys spend so much time discrediting someone that you are starting to sound foolish. i just posted that i am very happy with the way my deal went down and decided to post something nice for a change when it is deserved. i think you people should get a life and start worrying about your own buisnesses instead of trying to tear everyone elses apart. sometimes the truth hurts doesnt it. thanx dan parma
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Dan,

Internet sales are based upon consumer confidence. One bad apple can have an effect on everyone's business that sells reptiles/supplies online. This is the basis of the BOI. If we police ourselves and weed out the sub-standard businesses it increases consumer confidence in our industry as a whole, thereby improving everyone's performance online.

The BOI works, as your positive experience shows. Peer pressure motivated Upstate to provide proper customer service knowing that you'd post your experience, whichever way it turned out.
 
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