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Upstate Exotics ??? (help me)!

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oops too quick with that submit button..

That's a complaint to the Talahassee FL board, sating it was referred to NY State. Nothing was ever filed with NY State.
 
you be the judge

Thats a great post allison, I was refraining from including details in my earlier post but since you decided to retaliate, I will tell the details from the beginning.
I was contacted by Upstate Exotics via a Kingsnake.com ad offering various reptiles for sale or trade. Sal and I spoke over the phone several times and he seemed to be a decent guy. I had several animals he was interested in so I decided to drive to his facility to swap some reptiles on May 25, 2003. When I got there, he examined my animals and gave me credit for them. I picked out the following for my credit:
10-ball pythons $100
1-redtail $200
1-bird and cage $600
2- western collerd lizards $40
3- savanah monitors $60
10- iguanas $70
2- uromastyx $40
2- florida softshells $40
1- black and white tegu $20
I was very picky and chose the best stuff. I brought them home and quarentined everything. Shortly after having them,
2- softshells
1- savanah
2-western collerds
2-ball pythons
died and none of the ball pythons would feed. I had a pretty good idea at this point that the problem animals were wild caughts and not the captive bred that he claimed. I called Sal and he said no problem, he would cover it on our next deal.
I had a customer contact me wanting 6- 3 toed box turtles. I contacted Sal and he agreed to let me come get them and reimburse him when I was paid.
On June 27 2003 I made the trip to get the Turtles. It was pouring rain and after the long trip, my 3 and 4 year old boys slept in the minivan and we continuosly checked on them(just to clear that up). The place was discusting this time and I was glad I left my kids in the van. They had alot more reptiles and it was obviously too much for them to handle, judging by the filth, rotten feed, regurgitations and on and on. Sal showed me the remainder of the ball pythons from my original visit, about 75 of them dying off in the bottom of a cage. Sal told me at this point that he would covor any ball pythons I loose from that batch.
I picked out the six box turtles I was after and I told Sal I had no money to purchase anymore reptiles right now. There were several animals I wanted Sal to hold onto for me but he insisted I take them now and pay for them later. I, again, told him I was tight on money and wouldnt have any for a few weeks. He replied " shut up, shut up, I understand, dont worry about it". I figured he must really trust me and was cool with it so I offered to make weekly payments once I was financially able. then I picked out the following:
3- Hogg Island boas $425
1- Spotted Python $40
2- Savanah monitors $20
1- Blue tongue skink $125
6- 3 toed box turtles $150
1- peachthroat monitor $125
2- wood turtles $70
25-ball pythons $250
He had around 200-300 ball pythons that he told me were a fresh batch and guarenteed feeding. They were much larger then the first batch and looked really good. We wrote up an invoice and I was on my way.
I got home and quarentined everything. The ball pythons had mites that I foolishly missed before bringing home.
I was satisfied with the new animals but the original ball pythons continued to die. The customer that got the three toed box's got a partial refund becouse some of the box turtles had upper respitory's.
I contacted allison and told her about all the animals that had died and she asked me what I was doing to kill everything. I have been keeping reptiles for most my life and am not a novice keeper. I froze all carcasses for proof.
I got nowhere with allison but sal told me he would make good on everything. I wasnt complaining too hard on account of the unpaid animals I still had.
Aprox. 2 weeks after bringing home the animals on credit I recieved numerous calls insisting full payment or return the animals. I offered to divide the the total into three weekly payments that I would start immediatly. He didnt want to do that and insisted his animals back. Sal claimed he was about to merge with a larger reptile dealer and needed the inventory.
I told him that was fine and agreed to send them back. I continuosly was in contact with them becouse the ball pythons were dying on a daily basis, and everything was looking sick and most of the lizards refused feed. Sal even tried to get me to pay for some of the dead ball pythons"to be fair".
Once we had discussed shipping arrangements, I told him what animals were still alive. Here is a list of what he was getting back.

3- hogg island boas
1- savanah monitor
6- ball pythons
2- wood turtles
2- mali uromastix



That left me owing him for the following animals I no longer have.
6-3 toed box turtles $150
1- spotted python $40

Total=$190

now subtract the dead animals from my original order
10-ball pythons $100
2- softshell turtles $40
2- savanah monitors $40
2- western collerd lizards $40
2-uromastix(werent dead yet but close-sent back)$40

They also owed me for 14 painted turtles $64

Total=$324

What I owed=$190
Subtract what they owe me=$324

Guess that means they still owe me $134

That is how the figures REALLY work out. I havent asked for a cent from them, I packaged the animals and he said he would have Airborne Express pick the package up that day. I stayed home and they never showed becouse he never called. I called him and planned to ship the next day, I sent the package to work with my wife so Airborne could pick it up becouse it was a tuesday. Airborne got there to pick up the package and we didnt have Sals account #. My wife called him and he refused to give her the number. Obviously Airborne didnt take it. My wife brought the package home and I unpackaged and recaged everything. Alot of the ball pythons died from the two days in box and some other stuff didnt look great.
I didnt hear another word from Sal for a week. I wasnt around when he began calling, he started jumping to conclusions, leaving nasty messages and accusing me of avoiding him. He left messages threatening that he was gonna drive up here and do things the hard way,on and on. When I got home I called him immediatly and he totally changed his toon. I made it very clear that I would love for him to come here and check out my place and see that I am all lagit. "oh no thats okay" this last thursday he contacted me wanting me to ship this last friday, I told him I would try but I was out of shipping supplies. I was unable to ship on friday, I called him saturday morning on my way out of town and told him I wouldnt be able to ship till monday. All weekend he called my house leaving more rediculous messages. I got home very early monday morning, packaged the animals and sent them to him overnight airborne billed to his account. Now he has all the animals back that he needed so bad and I am so happy I dont have to keep putting dead reptiles in my freezer. Before dealing with Upstate exotics I went along time without dead critters in the freezer. well anyways, thanks for nothing Upstate.
Thats the whole deal, Im sure that people can look this over and see who the real crook here is. The sad part is, Im sure they turned around and sold those sick animals again like nothing ever happened. Oh and by the way, I wasnt contacted by any legal office, lawyer or anything even remotely close. See the problem is, you have to be able to pay a lawyer before they work for you. this post has shown us how poor this failing company is, unpaid reimbursements, unpaid botch carpentry jobs, overpriced web sites,unpaid child support,home forclosure. Its no wonder these guys are trying to rip everyone off. I fell for it but I still got my shirt on my back. I did loose alot of top quality animals in trade for crap. lesson learned. Bombs away! let the lies begin upstate!!
 
What?!?

Now just a pea-pickin' minute, here....
I am waiting on the information for Tony's refund b/c our partner was the one who ran all of our credit cards back earlier in the year. He has the information from his bank and that's why I am waiting on the fax. The refund was also put through that same machine.
If those charges were run as Upstate Exotics, then they were put into an Upstate Exotics account, which you should have access to. Are you saying "his bank" was not YOUR bank? If those charges were run through another merchant account, that's *highly* illegal.

Alison, are you saying that you have no bank records for your transactions during that time frame? YOU never received your own documentation that Tony's refund was given? You've been on this board calling him a liar for HOW long when you've seen no documentation? You have no authorization to access the bank records for your company's transactions?
 
That's pretty good!

Incredible Corey...now everything is dead. Or almost everything and we owe you money?

Nice try!!

How did I know you would try and come back saying animals died? This is your way of trying to explain yourself? You never contacted us about animals dying. You sold the ball pythons to pet stores you told us...now so many of them are dead? And mites? And our facilty is disgusting? None of this was said before...and none of it is true. You even posted here voluntarily after you left here, saying how nice everything was. Anyone is invited to come for a suprise visit and see how we keep everything. Cages are cleaned daily and water and fed, etc. There are some pictures of our racks on our website, and there have been plenty of customers who come here that can state exactly what our facility is like. You're trying to make us look bad because you owe us money and know we have problems here on the BOI.



There were several animals I wanted Sal to hold onto for me but he insisted I take them now and pay for them later.

If you check the post on Corey, anyone can see the emails corey sent us about the deal on what payment would be. No one FORCED him to walk out with no money down, it was the deal he offered. And yes, we trusted him.

On June 27 2003 I made the trip to get the Turtles.
Aprox. 2 weeks after bringing home the animals on credit I recieved numerous calls insisting full payment or return the animals.

From June 27 until this month is more than 2 weeks Corey.

I continuosly was in contact with them becouse the ball pythons were dying on a daily basis, and everything was looking sick and most of the lizards refused feed.
Liar....I can post copies of my phone bill when I recieve it to show the entire FOUR phone calls we got from corey...only after we left numerous messages and emails DAILY stating we were making a trip to Vermont to get back the animals and money owed. And no mention of "dying ball pythons" was ever made, the only statement ever made was how he was selling them to pet stores. Also, after the deal was made and Corey left here, the only EMAIL correspondence we received was regarding a website I did for him, which he was supposed to pay $25 to get it going...which he NEVER PAID THAT TOO, and I had to shut his site down.

And besides any of this, you inspected EVERYTHING and as you posted earlier HAND PICKED everything....now all of a sudden, none of it was any good? Come on...

ALSO...your lists don't match. What about the awesome peach throat....that you never returned to me and sold off? The blue tongue skink you have in pictures with your son that you posted earlier. You did send that back fortunately for us.

I love now when it comes down to it, how you told people what you sold, and even sold to people I know, that those animals are now dead.

And my favorite:
overpriced web sites

Only overpriced now b/c you didn't pay. Remember the deal? $350 for the whole thing. Give me at least $25 for the domain regiastartion of www.snakesandlizards.com. Too cheap to pay that too....too bad that's not an animal, so you get off the hoof by saying that was dead too.
 
Birds of a Feather

Received my Reptiles Magazine tonight. Flipping through the mag, I notice Upstate has a new ad. Shows they are teaming up with Elite Reptile (www.elitereptile.com). Elite's phone number is an 864 area code.

2 probabilities

1. Two companies of similiar business ideas and criteria teamed up to cut the cost of an ad (sound practice but be careful who you team up with).

2. Upstate's name is muddied and it's time to start transitioning their business to the next name on the list. (which was actually my prediction at dinner we had with a fellow breeder at the Utah show a few weekends ago).

Just thought those reading this thread should have a heads up.
 
My fax Verification.

My fax verification to Upstate Exotics requesting my refund.
 

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Oh here we go again....

Another "Upstate is going down the drain so they changed their name and got a telephone number in a different state forwarded and now it's another way to rip people off"

Let me spare everyone the time. Did you read the ad?

"Upstate Exotics and Elite Reptile have joined together."

Rough Translation: We joined together with another company. PERIOD.
 
Tony,

My apologies, but we never received that fax. You sent it to our 866# which doesn't receive faxes.
 
Yes I read the ad. And as per the post I made one of the possibilities is that two companies of similiar business ideals and ethics teamed up to lower the cost of the ad. So we can expect the same level of customer service from Elite Reptile as from Upstate Exotics I am assuming is the "rough translation".

Curious, you stated "here we go again"...... Do you get this often??!!??
 
lies

Allison will continue to lie and nothing will change that.
I suppose allison doesnt remember denying to me that they ever had a batch of ball pythons die even though I saw about 75 of them dying. on the same visit there was a large dead burm in a garbage bag pushed off to the side and two huge dead red tegu's. I was turning over deli cups with dead colubrids. I suppose these too are lies. The nastyness that I witnessed was on my second visit and I do regret putting a posative post on here for them.
oh, and about the peachthroat, this was supposed to be another c.b.b that refused feed and dwindled away, I even spoke with sal about that one when it was still alive. I also didnt include the blue tongue in the figures but thats not relavent becouse I sent it back. I traded them top of the line, top quality parasite free animals in return for a bunch of w.c crap streight from the importer. Just like allison uses excuses on here about her employees, partners etc. thats all a crock. Sal an Allison run this flop by themselves and I pity the poor guy thats about to get wound up with them. Sal and Allison, you can write whatever you like, make all the accusations you want, but the truth of the matter is you are lying thieves and noone will give you the slightest credability. This business is supposed to be your livelyhood but it is a hobby for me.
 
Curious, you stated "here we go again"...... Do you get this often??!!??

lol yes, Check the earlier posts about some websites I did. On those psots, it was the same thing...we changed our name. We are not changing our name, we are not a dying company that needs to get a different number in a different state b/c of the BOI. Just funny that this is what is brought up everytime.

Now..Corey...Please. You haven't posted on shred of proof, only lies about how bad we are now b/c you owe us money...trying to take advantage that we are not on good terms here on the BOI.

That peach throat is CB and came from a regualr customer...and you HAND PICKED him too b/c you thought he was awesome. You can't go back now and say after you HAND PICKED EVERYTHING that it was all crap.

Our facility has NEVER looked like that, maybe your explaining the conditions at your place? But wait your such a great caring herper. I bet that even comes with packaging and shipping? Sure, here's how Corey shipped to us:

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Just like allison uses excuses on here about her employees, partners etc. thats all a crock.
Sorry Corey, I don't make my employees work at midnight. And the ad is in reptiles magazine on one of our partners. So nice try on that one too.

Don't try and use this post aganist us. It won't work Corey. You're flat out wrong. You even told people we know OUTRIGHT that you were trying to screw us over. This is the link to corey's other post on here with all the emails, etc. Just so I don't have to do it all twice.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23857
 
Alison,
I think perhaps what you write and post, pics ect... here you should do on the other post.
Perhaps this should stay seperate than the others.
I think that with the others they do have a legit claim on you that you need to correct, but I seriously am having a hard time believing what Corey is saying.
Corey, since there is another thread about this why dont you post there, this thread is long enough with other complaints, if you don't post there people will only see what Alison writes, I for one do not want to be going back and forth.
 
Hi Alison,

The fax confirmation plainly shows that on 04/28/03 your phone line 1-866-738-7499 accepted my fax. If in fact I had dialed a non fax number it would have not gone through. I would have received an error message. It would have shown result NG, which means no good. I received result OK, which means number dialed in fact accepted my fax.


Thank you,
Tony.
 
You said that you didn't receive the fax because your 866 number doesn't accept faxes. Then why does the status line on the fax confirmation of Tony's say "OK." If the fax were to not have gone through, it wouldn't say "OK."

Also, you have no access to charges on the account at the time of these transactions? You've already confirmed the dates of the original charges to Tony's credit card. Why then would you not be able to confirm the credits made AFTER those dates. If you didn't have information from 2 months ago or before, then how did you get information from 3 months ago?

Will you please come clean? Just admit that you had failed to credit the account, a lapse of memory, whatever, and just run the credit again. That would be so f'n easy now wouldn't it?

I'm surprised that other people didn't catch the obvious contradictions in the stories told here recently. Also......quit talking about Corey on this thread, use the one you creates to paint yourself as a victim.

Thanks
Todd Evans
 
We were still trying to get set up here with a credit card machine, which is why our partner ran the transactions.

I have the dates the card was run b/c my partner gave them to me over the phone. I asked him to fax the confirmation of the refund so I can post the confirmation. That's why I have those dates.

There is no contradiction. Tony received his money.

I already apologized, but I did not receive that fax. That doesn't change anything, I just never received it, and I apologized.
 
While you're waiting for that fax from your partner, why don't you go ahead and answer these questions:
Alison, are you saying that you have no bank records for your transactions during that time frame? YOU never received your own documentation that Tony's refund was given? You've been on this board calling him a liar for HOW long when you've seen no documentation? You have no authorization to access the bank records for your company's transactions?
Alison, you realize that if you were running charges through someone else's merchant account, both of your merchant accounts will be shut down, right? If they were run through as Upstate Exotics, you should have access to the records.

Tony, what name showed as the merchant on your credit card statement?

Who is Elite Reptiles? Anybody know?
 
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