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Vincent Russello, attempting a scam

I have read this um { thread } from page one and watched it for shall we say because i was board. One thing that I have wondered is why is it this gecko keeps getting reposted on reptibid when vince hears dollar signs being offered for it. I think he is using the BOI for a marketing agency. I could be wrong but bidding against yourself to raise the bid. then seeing more publicity generated on the BOI he violates TOS of reptibid , then he repost when he see 1900.00$ then whines when he hears fraud charges mentioned{ more publicity} repost again. Sounds to me like a used car salesmen buffering the price of a lemon.

Funny he was offered sometime ago by Rob and Mike to buy it for 1000$ or for Rob to atleast see it and give him 500$ basically to see the animal and if it proved true. This really does sound like a scam and an attempt to defraud.
 
I think the reason Vince is not responding is be cause he has soiled himself and is looking for a clean pair of underware.

Vince, after all of this I would suggest you get hooked on phonics so you can learn how to read. The reason I am saying this is because you have taken everyone's posts as an attack when you should have seen that you were being warned about just what is happening now. In other words, WE TOLD YOU SO!

Jerry, I wouldn't let him off the hook. Press charges because I don't see him learning the lesson any other way. He will continue to pull crap like this if you let him slide because he will think "I got away with it before". Allowing him to get away with it will only make the little Vince monster even worse. Just think of it as the chance to let everyone put him over their knee, but (pun intended) BRUNO won't be putting him over his knee when they are in the slammer (pun intended again:)
 
Vince,

It would probably not go badly for you if you confessed and apologized, and then sold this Gecko to the person who placed the final legitimate bid at Reptibid, before you pulled the original auction. Of course, there is no guarantee that this would help you, but my guess is that it would be of some help to you. At least it would make you feel better about yourself - wouldn't it?
Sincerely,
Glenn B
 
Vince -
I have spoken to the family attorney concerning this matter and have shown him this thread as well as saved copies of the original auction direct from my cache. He has also read my email from the past 72 hours. He has said he would be happy to handle this case, beginning with issue of a warrant and extradition from Florida to West Virginia where my business physicaly resides. He did however urge me to try to resolve this matter with no litigation if at all possible, as it could be a very expensive case to try on both sides. As I am not a big fan of expensive litigation I will attempt an agreement with you, provivded it is done here, where it can be witnessed and a record kept.

Let me bring these statements to your attention:
The originalpost by Seamus Haley, as it contains the picture originaly used to represent the animal in question.
Posted on page 2 by Vince:
this gecko looks exactly like it is pictured. if i said "Leopard gecko under red lightbulb" then i would be lieing. the first pic is just blurry. and in no way shape or form has this pic been re-touched or a lighting stunt been pulled. that is what this gecko looks like.

Posted on page 6 by Vince:
this leo is nothing like any i have ever seen before. not like what you see at any pet shop. or even what you would see at the best leopard gecko breeders stock room. do you guys understand what a 1.5 mega pixle camra is? this gecko has deep red coloration on his head body and tail.this is truely a one of a kind leo.

Posted on page 8 by Seamus Haley:
Vince, even in the last photo you posted, the shirt of the person standing to the left is red, the newspaper under the litter container is red and there's a loop of BRIGHT red material around the center that looks like it *might* be an outdoor extention cord... which is generally ORANGE.

If you knew that the light causes this effect, making everything look redder than it is... and you chose that area to take the pictures, then selected a picture where the red coloration is the most enhanced to advertise your animal with... you misrepresented the actual color of the animal (yellowey orange according to every photo taken on the bed).

Posted on page 9 by Vince:
I didnt know the effect of the light untill i just took new photos. again my leo has not even a hint of yellow of his RED body. the effect isnt red at all but more of a yellow hue. the extention cord is actualy green.

Posted on page 12 by Vince:
good thing this was never a scam to begin with.

Posted on page 23 by Vince:
*photo was not editied in any way* thanks for all the attention my little red leo is getting , we both love it.

Posted on page 24 by Vince:
one more time. no photo software was used to enhance this photo, nor was there any special light used for the purpose of enhancing the natural deep red color of this leo. i know it may make some mad that a private collector has came up with the odd ball leo. instead of quite admiration i receive criticism and i am bombarded with naysayers, geez

Posted on page 26 by Vince:
if this was a scam why would i readily take so many new photos for everyone? if i had proper lighting the secondary photos would also show rich red coloration.
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I can go on and on. Do you think these statements would lead me to believe that I would be bidding on a leopard gecko with a "rich deep red" coloration more like a tomato than an orange colored gecko?

I have seen the new listing on repti-bid and have no desire to bid on that animal. I was only interested in the one of a kind rich red colored leopard gecko. I could certainly get a comparable gecko (to the one in your second auction) for less than my bid price on the original auction.

I know there was time left on the auction, and it's possible that I could have been outbid. Unfortunatly I was not given that opportunity because of your unethical and illegal auction tampering. I have already purchased and cut materials to build a breeding rack, and have spent time and effort researching the acquisition of high end female Leopard Gecko morphs for potential breeding partners. I have also passed on purchasing a very high quality harlequin/fire crested gecko in order to retain funds for this red leopard gecko. That crested has been subsequently sold to another party.

The bid before it was tampered with was $102.50. Can you provide me a male leopard gecko the approximate color of Gatorade (As pointed out by PAUL BOLLINGER on page 74) for this price or not?

If the answer is no, please explain why and let me know what you are willing to do to offset my losses.

I thank you in advance.
 
I also ask any leopard gecko breeders to please comment on what they feel the income potential would be on a "gatorade red" colored leopard gecko morph. Please post the information here, and be aware that it may possibly be used in mediation or litigation.
 
I really find it odd that now the pics he is able to post on the new auction are clear, show the true color of the gecko and none of the enhanced RED. The pics posted now look nothing like the original pic and the animal while nice orange in coloration is no way near a RED animal as portrayed and not worth more than a normal in my eyes.

As for breeding potential for the future of a RED Leopard Gecko, It would all depend on how many females you would purchase to breed with him. Each female will lay 2 eggs (sometimes only 1 but not often) and can lay a minimum of 4 clutches a year.(our females laid many many more than that each year when we bred them). So even if you only bred him to 5 females and the minimum clutches each year that is 40 eggs, then you would have to breed the females from those back to dad when ready to breed and if it proved out the babies looked like dad then the prices could be anywhere from $500ea-$2000+ea. depending on how they look. The Albino's when first produced were selling for multiple thousands of dollars. We purchased our first Las Vegas Albinos for about $1500 ea.. So using just the low figure of $500 ea. and if you only hatched 10 females out of the 40 eggs produced and they produced the minimum clutches their first year you are looking at roughly $40k potential that first year of the female offspring producing if genetic.

The picture below is one of Albey's super hypo carrot tails. That animal is selling for $800 and is a female so if the RED animal were to prove out the offspring would be at least about the same in value. I hope this helps a little bit and I am sure that others will give their information as well.
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You are so wrong Rob.

he plainly states in a post in here....the animal is DEEP RED in color fromhead tot he tip of the tail.
Look at the original picture....it is deep red. so is everything around it.



vince 106 pages and you still can't admit you purposely phucked with that picture to try and cheat someone.
How STUPID do you think people are?
It is quite obvious you tried to PHUCK someone over.
give it up already. Just admit to your scam and let this thread die.


and to the rest of you.
He won't admit to his lies.

so let this thread die with a couple of thoughts in mind.
1. He messes with pictures to try and enhance the animal and his sales.
2. he is not man enough to admit to his lies.
3. and he continues to tell ies
a. this animal is to great to sell
b. this animal is no longer in auction
c. you can buy this animal for 1900
d. it is back up on auction.
e. This animal is deep red in color.
f. you can come take pictures (but only after I soak it in red gatorade)
g. You can't come take pictures...blah blah blah
h. you people are so funny enhancing my pictures ....(how ironic)



this is a dead horse.
the guy is
1. Liar.
2. SCAMMER
3. not man enough (to admit his lies)

Good bye thread.
may you go away and may the scammer this thread is about go away as well
 
apologies for the attitude folks.

I go through in cycles.

I am currently going through the I am tired. I am tired of the scammers and squabbling blah blah blah.

it seems lately this stage comes more often and stays a little longer each time.
 
It really doesn't matter what else takes place in relation to this deal or the scammer that established the original ad. Some individuals either will or won't be affected, but for the reptile community at large, this is ALL we really need to know, and it came straight from the horse's mouth! Vince told us:

"i do not wish to sell this leo any more, so i did use a friends account to place a proxy bid so that i would not have to go threw the unplesentness of explaining the situation to a possable serious bidder. how ever if i ever decide to sell it will indeed include a satisfaction gaurantee."

That admission right there, whether he is ever charged with a crime or sued for damages, that admission tells us all that this is an unethical person. He is a "man" that cannot be trusted to stand by his animals, or his word. You simply CANNOT believe ANYTHING he says!

Vince could have come out and stated that this leo was not as it was originally represented. He could have sold the leo for the highest bid on the auction (which would not have been as high as it was, if he had not been jacking the price up along the way with ficticious bids from Geckogal04, or whatever that name was). He could have done a lot of things, but what he did was lie and cheat in order to try to cover his original error.

If a guy will lie to you over something small, he will definitely lie to you over something big. Given what we've now seen from the keyboard of Vince, himself, I ask you all: "What wouldn't Vince lie to you about, if he were in a corner on a deal???"

Vince = A Very Bad Guy! Buyer beware, no matter how this deal works out!!!
 
Vince said:
david , thanks for the advice. but with bills pileing up I need to sell all of my leos and redfoots. the bill collectors won this round. im just glad i proved to someone that im not out makeing fake photos and scaming people like the starter of this thread would love for everyone to belive
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And he thought he had money problems before!!:bawling:
 
a true deep red, cherry, apple or fire engine red leo would litterally go for thousands... got check out albeys site and urban geckos and also kelli hammacks...... while those leos are very orange and deep tang and have some redish tints to them they are by no meands a true red candy apple,fire engine or cherry red. but man oh man they are orange as they come!! tangerines!!!!!! and awesome and they are working for red but as of now as far as i know no adult solid colored red animals...... i have seen some red/orange babies though but no red adults

so again a true deep red, fire engine, candy apple or cherry red gecko would be worth thousands
 
I'm all for Vince learning a lesson the hard way, because certain individuals think they can do whatever they want and not have to pay any consequences. Even actually having to go to court and serve time for fraudulent activity if the law requires this. But I also think it is obvious from this thread that their is no "Red Leopard Gecko". Even the highest bidder pointed out lack of flash in that and only that photo along with the red wash that every one except Vince could see. So I have serious trouble beliving this same person took money from another project, came home and was going to bid $1900 and then realized that the auction was closed. Also spent quality time looking for high yellow mates and spent time on caging and other stuff. I think it is deplorable to think that someone would even think they deserved restitution (correct word?) for a serious high "Red Leopard Gecko" that every nows does not exist. Even referring to Bob Clark like this has anything to do with stolen animals. Vince is a scam and a fraud and should be reported to the authorities for his fraudulent activity. I think going after him for whatever one thought they would make off this gecko is very dishonest. Unless you wanted to be paid for the offspring of a slightly orange leopard Gecko... Whats that? $50.00?
Tom Baker
 
Python Dreams said:
...So I have serious trouble beliving this same person took money from another project, came home and was going to bid $1900 and then realized that the auction was closed. Also spent quality time looking for high yellow mates and spent time on caging and other stuff.
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So you think Jerry is a liar? Do you even know Jerry?

I think going after him for whatever one thought they would make off this gecko is very dishonest. Unless you wanted to be paid for the offspring of a slightly orange leopard Gecko... Whats that? $50.00? Tom Baker
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So, when you purchased all of those high end pythons, you did not buy them for what you "thought you would make off of them?" I suppose you bought them as pets, right?
 
Tom
Here's my POV on the matter. I have nothing to lose. After repeated interrogation Vince to the end was adamant that this is a one of a kind red color morph leopard gecko. Not anything else. I have some money set aside to start a fat tailed breeding project, and pooled everything that was expendable at this time to purchase the leopard gecko from Vince instead. If it did not appear as represented, I had fully intended to retrieve the purchase price, along with all shipping and other incurred costs either in Lee County Florida circuit court ( I also happen to have a residence on Pine Island, and was born and raised in Cape Coral so the trip would be of no consequence) or in Berkley County West Virginia where my business is located. And along the way a young man would learn a valuable lesson from life.

However, when Vince admittedly tampered with an auction, he changed my options. If this matter was persued to the courts, Vince has admitted to commiting an illegal act, and a secondary result of doing this has ruined my potential to make upwards of $10,000 (a very conservative estimate). Had he just admitted that this gecko is not a "deep rich red color" I would never had assumed that the potential for that kind of business was ever there. Since he has assured me and everyone else that the gecko is indeed "a deep rich red" I am assuming that it is.

Vince I really do hope you reply here, as I'm certain we can come to an easy agreement. I have no desire to cause you any problems, as it appears you need no help in that area.
 
When I purchased my high end pythons, I did not purchase them from a thread where it was pointed out that this guy was a scammer. In fact their was no question, inkling, thought, idea, or was it ever mentioned that these animals might not be what they thought they were. So I guess I should ask... What should you make off an animal that you dont believe exists? I only think it's dishonest if a suit is filed and the defense attorney would probably use this thread of wether anyone truly believed Vince. Is that what I am hearing? That some people really believed Vince had a one of a kind "Red Leopard Gecko?
Tom Baker
 
Jerry,
I hope you do pursue legal action and I do think Vince needs to pay for what he has done. I just do not agree that you missed out on a $10,000 project. I think you would be hard to find someone on this thread that truly believed Vince.
Tom Baker
 
Python Dreams said:
I only think it's dishonest if a suit is filed and the defense attorney would probably use this thread of wether anyone truly believed Vince. Tom Baker
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Without going into any detail, this was already discussed with an attorney. Remind me when this matter is settled and I will then say what I do not wish to say at this time. We ALL can learn from it.
 
I did!!!

The way he was so adamant about having a one of a kind leo would make anyone think he was right.
 
Python Dreams said:
When I purchased my high end pythons, I did not purchase them from a thread where it was pointed out that this guy was a scammer. In fact their was no question, inkling, thought, idea, or was it ever mentioned that these animals might not be what they thought they were. So I guess I should ask... What should you make off an animal that you dont believe exists? I only think it's dishonest if a suit is filed and the defense attorney would probably use this thread of wether anyone truly believed Vince. Is that what I am hearing? That some people really believed Vince had a one of a kind "Red Leopard Gecko?
Tom Baker
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If I offered to sell you stock in IBM or Microsoft 15 years ago, would you have bought it? Perhaps not the best analogy, but the fact is that regardless of doubt that was discussed in this thread about the legitimacy of the item being auctioned, Jerry can only go on the details of the auction for making his decision.

There are obviously legal and ethical requirements when placing an item for sale or auction to represent an item accurately. Vince advertised this as a one of a kind red leopard gecko. Jerry wants to buy this one of a kind red leopard gecko. If it doesn't exist, that is not Jerry's fault but it is Vince's responsibility.
 
In my opinion, going after Vince for money that could have been made is very low and will add to the frivolous lawsuits and people that want to make money for nothing. I would compare it to suing McDonalds for hot coffee. Vince is a fraud and a scam, and to me it is very untruthful for anyone who has posted in this thread to come back and say they believe Vince. If you (not you critterfarm, people in general) feel that it is allright to put loads of debt onto another human for someting that just about everyone knows is non existent, then go for it. I personally do not want anything that I don't deserve and could not even go to that level. Attorneys will do anything, and if you say that he says you can get it, then do what ever makes you happy. For me personally I think sending him through the court and possibly jail would be quite enough. I don't feel the need to financially cut someones throat just because I can.
Tom Baker
 
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