Wendy Griffin- HORRIBLE WOMAN!

[E2MacPets]

Well I have to say, Dan took the next step towards being a scammer:

He's changing the name of his website!

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56514

 

[Bringerofdoom]

out of all this time i just notice this

Wendy Would You mind explaining why the little beardie has a splint on its arm????? and to think it sold like that as you claim you did to it.

 

[Bringerofdoom]

wow dan, i wouldnt have thought you stolen a leo from petco, let alone post pictures of that one and admit to a crime on a such public forum as this. im shure cops who keep herps read message boards too.

steve is kinda right your case isnt looking good here anymore. you really need to think things through before you say things. planning on breeding a leopard gecko that looks like it was in a early stage of mbd, or was a defect wasnt a bright move on your behalf. i would only assume mbd cause the breeder probably pushed her too hard too quick....

 

[Manhattan Herps]

changing my webiste name has been an idea of mine for a while, it has nothing to do with this thread, you need to get your facts straight steve

i didnt trade for that dragon to breed it, nor have i ever said i was going to si get your facts atraight and stop acting like you know my every move

accusing me of being a scammer now? this is hilarious

i have not even sold any geckos yet, LOL, why dont you take a look at the pics i post in the leo forum and tell me those geckos are unhealthy, or i'm threating them "unethically"

im going to take this up in IM's with you steve, cause you obviuously know nothing about whats going on here

you say this thread is getting out of controle and yet you continue to post off topic BS from months ago

this is my first year of breeding leos, i didnt know that an underbite could mess up the babies is she's been bred befor and each baby came out perfectly. i took your advice steve, did i breed her? absolutely not, thats why i still ask questions about breeding from time to time, i do my best to get as much info from people who have been doing this longer than me, that was back in january, i have alot more knowledge now than i did then

i have 2 leos with kinked tails now, will i breed them? absolutely not

if a baby hatched out with a kink or underbite or any kind of deformation, would i sell it? ABSOLUTELY NOT

obviously i did get in a bit of trouble for taking that gecko, i have already apologized to petco for taking it, and obviously i wont do it again, it wasnt very smart and i take full resposability for it

 

[DragonCharm]

Re: Well Doom......

He is/was about 8- 9 months old and not skinny at all at 140 gramsa s shipped he was quite the MAN even though a few grams would not he hurt him in the weight area.

8-9 months old and 140 grams? Are you for real? I guess what I hear about you is true, I don't even need to read the rest of this to confirm it. I would be shocked if one of my dragons was less than 200 at 5-6 months, never mind at 8-9 months. That dragon in the pic looks to be emaciated and I doubt that was from shipping.

I guess I'll go finish reading this thread and offer additional comments at the end.

 

[Chris@TSE]

Now you see why I posted in HELL.

This woman is a plauge to the trade and should be put down. Literally.

 

[DragonCharm]

first off, thanks for the support guys, i really needed that

he was about 6 1/2 7 inches and missing maybe an inch of his tail

I have about a dozen 2 month old dragons right now that are 7-8" long, are you SURE you were selling a 8-9 mo old dragon Wendy......you better recheck your logs.....if you keep logs at all.

 

[riverjop]

what are you guys talking about?
I thought this thread was about steven & Dan?

HMMMM????

 

[E2MacPets]

My responses will be in italics

changing my webiste name has been an idea of mine for a while, it has nothing to do with this thread, you need to get your facts straight steve

You're right, it's just a coincidence that you declare your intention to change your name within 24 hours after I post showing that you stole from PetCo and that you bought a deformed gecko to breed!


i didnt trade for that dragon to breed it, nor have i ever said i was going to si get your facts atraight and stop acting like you know my every move

That's why you posted trades asking for pairs of bearded dragons, because you never had any intention of breeding them? Of course you also specified 'any morph will do' so maybe you just like having both sexes of animals and not breed them? Or as I've stated before maybe you just don't care what you produce as long as you can profit from it?

accusing me of being a scammer now? this is hilarious

No, I said you were well on your way to becoming a scammer, as demonstrated by many of the decisions you have made.

i have not even sold any geckos yet, LOL, why dont you take a look at the pics i post in the leo forum and tell me those geckos are unhealthy, or i'm threating them "unethically"

That doesn't make you any less an unethical wannabe breeder for acquiring deformed, underweight, and undersize animals to use as future breeding stock

im going to take this up in IM's with you steve, cause you obviuously know nothing about whats going on here

You mean to say you're going to take this private because you can't publically save your reputation, when you have a history of publically stating your misguided intentions. Correct?

I obviously don't know what's going on, and yet I've used your words, your actions, your pictures, to show what kind of person you are

you say this thread is getting out of controle and yet you continue to post off topic BS from months ago

No you said it was getting out of control and I needed to stop repeating myself. I had tried to keep the thread on topic and discuss my feelings on how you handle yourself based only on your deal with Wendy Griffin.

Your exact words were "you just keep stating the same things over and over..its getting old.. and so is this thread. so im done"

Sorry you asked for new material, you got it. Now everyone knows exactly why I was so critical of your handling of this trade

this is my first year of breeding leos, i didnt know that an underbite could mess up the babies is she's been bred befor and each baby came out perfectly. i took your advice steve, did i breed her? absolutely not, thats why i still ask questions about breeding from time to time, i do my best to get as much info from people who have been doing this longer than me, that was back in january, i have alot more knowledge now than i did then

I'm well aware that you did not have success breeding last year, you posted in detail about it.

I can speculate who your friend was that sold you the deformed gecko and previously had bred it, but that is not relevent. How can you possibly think that a deformed gecko makes for a good breeder?

But then, how can you possibly think an underweight, undersize Bearded Dragon is healthy or in any remote way worth acquiring for either breeding or simply collecting?


You want good deals. You don't care about health.

I'm sorry an animal died in your care due to Wendy's horrible treatment of it prior to shipping it to you. That doesn't change the fact that you knowingly traded for it.

You invite trouble by acquiring sick, deformed, underweight, malnurished, and undersize animals. Take responsibility for your own decisions.


i have 2 leos with kinked tails now, will i breed them? absolutely not

remains to be seen, now doesn't it?

if a baby hatched out with a kink or underbite or any kind of deformation, would i sell it? ABSOLUTELY NOT

also remains to be seen, many kink tails are not born with visible signs, so if you do breed those kink tail geckos of yours you may very well sell kink tail geckos without knowing it

obviously i did get in a bit of trouble for taking that gecko, i have already apologized to petco for taking it, and obviously i wont do it again, it wasnt very smart and i take full resposability for it

Please, tell us about this trouble you got in and how you apologized. I see you still own it, and recently refered to it as a gecko you 'bought' from PetCo.

 

[repfriend]

you know what Steven, you need to open a new thread if you are going to keep this up.

This thread is about Wendy, and it is VERY IMPORTANT that it stays about Wendy, for obvious reasons.

One could almost think you want to do her a favor for covering up the terrible things she did, by deflecting from it, which is incredibly WRONG!!!!

If you have a problem WITH DAN then open another thread, your nitpicking every word and action of him apart has absolutely no business in this thread.

It's a real shame that the whole situation with Wendy got buried in this Bull Manure. Since SHE is one that need to be called out and known to the entire Herp World...but I'm sure she is very grateful to you for doing her this favor.

This is ridiculous!!!!

 

[groovygeckos]

that is in fact

the most unhealthy looking beardie i have ever seen !

 

[Bringerofdoom]

steve, i honestly dont know wtf you problem is with tokay, but please do take it up with another thread. no matter what tokay does or does not do, youll bash him on a thread or another.

he is a kid, no matter how you look at it. as kids always do, they make mistakes. wether it be from poor judgement in breeding stock to stealing, this by no means justifies what he does. im shure he learns, cause whatever he post's you grill him about it. im shure next year, youll be stalking him to make shure he dont goof up. that would just give you justification to ruin any future ads dan puts up.

i just feel that you steve, spend so much time going through what dan post's. YET you ignore, what a GROWN woman does not know about the animal she even sold dan to begin with. this thread wasnt about dan, if you cannot read the title. you go through and find faults, when wendy is atleast twice his age.

 

[geckokreeper]

I agree that Dan has made some bad decisions and had admitted to doing so. But what can he do now other than change his ways?This is about Wendy and not Dan I believe there is another thread about Dan created by Wendy you should post there. I would never breed a leo or any reptile that was unhealthy or that had any deformitys. But you have to rember there are alot of reputable breeders that are selling leos with kinked tails so are you going to bash them for that? Is that unethical and wrong? If you want to post more about Dan create a new thread or go to Wendys thread, but this thread is to let everyone know about Wendy and how she sent a sickly half dead dragon. Dan we all know youve made some mistakes and some bad choices but as long as you learned from them and know not to do them again you did everthing to take care of the situation. Just do like you said and ask questions that way you are less likely to make any more mistakes or poor judgment calls.

 

[Bringerofdoom]

yes, atleast dan bothers to learn something (asking on fauna is a good idea, cause there is intellegent people willing to supply the right information). unlike wendy.

IMO by the time anyone is breeding, i would suggest to ATLEAST own Dr. Maders Reptile Medicine and Surgery book for reference. maybe thats asking to much out of anyone to do, but to me its the least you can do. wendy looks for caresheets and guides that are worded for the idiot.

wendy already stated on a thread, where she didnt even know vitamin a overdose was possible. YET she cares for a ton of animals.

if everyone reads the first 2 threads on here, she stood by that picture and said it was healthy and happy and that it may need to gain a gram or 2, but it wasnt necasary. after all the breeders put their 2 cents in, her story changed. IMAGINE THAT.

IF you listen to her own words, she said to dan the picture was old and it gained weight scince. SHE did not give dan a updated picture of it, so he probably did not know 140 grams for a 8 month old dragon wasnt right (he didnt have a recent picture to see if it was healthy or not). ITS plainly wrote here that he called her the day he got it, because he wasnt pleased with the looks of it. SHE even bothered to tell dan that DRAGON was a ORANGE phase. YET anyone with intelect would know a dragon that was meant to be orange would be orange on birth. SHE claimed that he was going to turn orange anytime. wendy also argued that her 8 inch water bowl AKA a pool in her own words was ideal for a desert creature.

look at that picture she posted with 3 beardies the littlest has a splint on it (probably homemade). ALL 3 of them do not look healthy, yet she bother to braid their tails togather and to take a picture. NOW im willing to bet the parisite infection is spread by idiocy. NO Quarantines on her animals at all, she just mixes them togather instantly.

wendy has said more wrong things in just this thread, than dan ever could.

i also wonder what nighthawk had to say? he seemed so mad at wendy when she posted. i seen something about fat Tail geckos with thin tails and sick looking too. TOO bad he didnt sign a name and the mods had to delete the post's.

i feel bad for dan to have to watch this beardie die, when it should have been wendy to deal with this.

 

[E2MacPets]

Re: that is in fact

Just because this thread carries Wendy's name does not mean that Dan Quinn is innocent within the confines of the thread. Any transaction has two parties it involves. BOI rules specifically state that there should be no more than one thread for any one deal.

This thread, and any BOI thread, serves to show how both parties involved in a deal behave themselves.

I do not feel that anything I have posted about Dan Quinn is deserving of its own thread. It has only been provided to lend some perspective since people felt I was being too harsh on Dan. I had my reasons, now you've seen what they were.

the most unhealthy looking beardie i have ever seen !

This my friends, is exactly my point.

Dan traded for the Bearded Dragon. He saw the same picture that all of you did when he made the decision to trade for it.



Wendy is not qualified to care for a pet rock, as shown by the picture she used when selling that Bearded Dragon.

Dan apparently is unable to tell from that picture of "the most unhealthy beardie" that groovygeckos and many others here have ever seen, that he's making a bad choice.


Dan should take responsibility for his decision to trade for an extremely unhealthy animal.


And all of you should stop pitying him for conducting a trade with Wendy with full knowledge of the animal's condition.

He knew from her description that it was underweight, undersize. And he knew from the photograph exactly what the reality of the situation was.

He knowingly traded for this animal that no one posting on this thread would ever find acceptable.


This thread is as much about Dan as it is Wendy. Wendy sent a sickly half dead dragon, but Dan knowingly traded for it.

They both condemned it to death. Wendy by her care of the animal, Dan by ensuring that a people like Wendy will continue to be able to do business.

As long as there is a buyer for an item, there will always be a seller. Dan buys sick, deformed, and malnourished animals.


Dan needs to learn to accept personal responsibility for his actions. He also needs to learn his responsibility to the animals he keeps.

A responsible hobbyist, a responsible breeder, should always be looking to improve captive propagation.

By seeking out bargains and disregarding quality, Dan is not a responsible hobbyist.

 

[repfriend]

Well at least Dan has acknowledged his mistakes, has he not?

He said he would NOT breed deformed animals after talking to other breeders that this one particular gecko could give her deformity to her offspring (even though that hasn't happend in the clutches she laid for her former owner).

He has acknowledged he was wrong in taking the gecko from the petstore...and yes he was. But I don't go to petstores like that anymore BECAUSE of how tempted I am to take those poor things and run...

Now back to Wendy...she keeps blaming everybody and their grandfather for HER mistakes and she'll NEVER back down, NEVER learn from it.

She is a grown woman with children and you would think she would have somewhat more sense then a teenager, but apperantly not.

Now Steven, we all heard ad nauseum about your rantings about Dan. Dan has acknowledged his wrongdoings and said he would do better, now UNLESS he doesn't keep his promise, its time this part is said and done.

Lets get back to Wendy, who is the only one that deserves to be called to justice, as she claims she did nothing wrong in the face of overwhelming proof that she DID and continues to do so.

 

[Bringerofdoom]

i will not disagree that dan made a terrible choice, im shure watching it die in his arms 4 days later was his hard lesson learned.

i will also agree, even if it was it was healthy a dragon that ugly had no right to be bred. it showed obvious signs of possible direct inbreeding, because of the abberant tail.

BUT if that is the case, steve you have alot of low quality beardie breeders to go after. they pollute the population with beardies they bred under 16 inches for each. heck companies like flukers make a killing selling low quality diseased beardies.

alot of people set BAD examples for what qualifies for a breeder beardie. if you spent less than $600 for a pair, then you probably didnt get the best to breed. therefore it shouldnt be bred.

like i said i cant totally fault him for it, because he is young and doesnt realize the need to perfect the breeds. its the shadier adults who care about the money they can save that set this example to people like him.

once dan realizes the fact that you cannot bargain shop for breeders and spend some cash. he does seem to have some quality animals that come from reputable breeders already, i mean look at that AV now thats a nice leo.

he just needs to avoid the bargain and petstore leo's, because he runs a chance of killing his stock or not doing it any good if he breeds them againt the less desirables.

once he learns this little lesson, he will be a better person than wendy is 10 fold.

 

[E2MacPets]

He said he would NOT breed deformed animals after talking to other breeders that this one particular gecko could give her deformity to her offspring (even though that hasn't happend in the clutches she laid for her former owner).

For what it's worth, I'm the breeder he talked to. Hence why I remembered something from 7 months ago. Seeing Dan post that he traded for this malnourished Bearded Dragon just reminded me of his past behavior.

He has acknowledged he was wrong in taking the gecko from the petstore...and yes he was. But I don't go to petstores like that anymore BECAUSE of how tempted I am to take those poor things and run...

Dan buys from this same PetCo frequently. He didn't steal to rescue the animal from poor conditions, he stole because he didn't have money to pay for it.
Hence why I am interested when he stated that he has actually paid for his mistake and apologized to the store.

Now Steven, we all heard ad nauseum about your rantings about Dan. Dan has acknowledged his wrongdoings and said he would do better, now UNLESS he doesn't keep his promise, its time this part is said and done.

Dan also acknowledged his mistakes 7 months ago when he bought deformed geckos and housed rescued sexable pairs of malnourished geckos together.

Since then he has gone on to steal from PetCo and trade for an underweight, undersize bearded dragon, and who knows what else.

When called on this he attempts to change the name of his website.
When called on that, he repents.

Lets get back to Wendy, who is the only one that deserves to be called to justice, as she claims she did nothing wrong in the face of overwhelming proof that she DID and continues to do so.

There is a thread in hell dedicated to Wendy's stupidity. That is the only place a one sided dialogue of attacks is appropriate.


I have said repeatedly that Wendy is scum. There is no doubt in anyone's mind to this end.


But the BOI is for discussions of transactions. There are two sides to the story. Dan's side is nowhere near innocent.

Sticking purely to this one transaction,
Dan knowingly traded for this animal that no one posting on this thread would ever find acceptable.

That's a fact. There is not the slightest doubt in anyone's mind that what Wendy was offering could be remotely acceptable to anyone.

But it was, to Dan.


Take up further criticism of Wendy's utter stupidity in HELL http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56488

Or visit http://WendyGriffin.reallysucks.com/

 

[E2MacPets]

once he learns this little lesson, he will be a better person than wendy is 10 fold.

I agree with everything you just said.
I just don't feel it's a little lesson.


None of my criticism of Dan vindicates Wendy, of course.

It just isn't right to be critical of Wendy without recognizing that people who behave like Dan keep her and many other scumbags in business.

Dan is not stupid. He didn't think he was getting money from a Nigerian Prince.

He needs to learn why his actions are wrong and he needs to learn to take responsibility for his actions.

I hope in the future he will save his money, play his videogames a little longer before trading them, etc.... and concentrate on the quality of his decisions.

There are many lessons to learn, some take time......

 

[Manhattan Herps]

That's a fact. There is not the slightest doubt in anyone's mind that what Wendy was offering could be remotely acceptable to anyone.

But it was, to Dan.
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and i've already stated this..if the picture she sent me was as big as the one posted here i would not have done the deal, the picture was smaller, and he is alot more healthy looking in that picture then what he looked like when i took him out of the box

she stated over and over that we was healthy and just needed to gain a little weight back < that right there made me think "ok, dragons are huge pigs so that should'nt be a problem"

in the picture she sent, i wasnt able to look at its head or its tailbone closely, so i took her word for it

this trade was not by impulse, i didnt look at him and think " OOOH YESS YESS YESS!! I CAN TRADE ONE OF MY LEO FOR HIM!!! YAY NOW I CAN BULD UP MY BREEDING STOCK YEAH!!!".

that wasnt the case at all, dragons happen to be one of my favorite herps, just because i traded for one does not in any way mean i wanted it only for breeding..if it where that way i'd be be buying and trading for Blood, Sandfire's, Sunbursts, Pastels ETC....

I have 2 sunbursts, a male and female, and those are the only ones that will breed when thay are ready, my focus is on leopard geckos


if i wanted to spend more time playing video games i would have never traded away the game system now would i

my main responsibility is my herps and other animals that are in my care, i dont spend my time hanging out with the scumbag wannabe-gangster has beens outside

i spend my time with my herps, feeding them, naking sure they have fresh water every single day, cleaning out tubs and tanks, feeding our birds, malking sure they have clean fresh water every day and fresh food every 2 days

i even go to some schools somtimes to speak about and show reptiles, my herps are my babies and if i had to, i would die for them, there is nothing in this entire world that can take my love and passion for reptiles away, nothing at all