Wendy Griffin- HORRIBLE WOMAN!

[critical bill]

Liar?

I think its a little premature to say she lied and insinuate she is a liar. None of us was privy to the actual conversation by both parties with respect to the care he requested and what she offered.

And FYI, if Wendy did in fact have this beardie conditioned to the "pool" as she stated, its wuite possible this animal died from dehydration. Which I may add may also be the reason he looks emaciated to a certain extent.

I hope I was able to give you a little more insight as TO the possibilities than your simply splurting out LIAR...blah blah blah.

wendy nice lie, beardies wont starve to death in 4 days, most beardies upon aquisition will not eat for a week and thats normal.

 

[critical bill]

The dragon looks...

Dehydrated. Thats my opinion.

i also agree with tokay dude. this dragon looks STARVED,

 

[TheVipersHouse]

well

your porbably right but the probelm is that if it was dehydration that killed it then Wendy is to blame cause that pic of hers of what it looked like before she sent it says loud and clear it was either SICK,DEHYDRATED,STARVED or all 3 .. so it is in fact that the problem accured before it was shipped ..and all the proof you need is to look at her picture she posted of what it looked like before it was sent to Dan .. the bearded she sent was deffinitly 1 that should have been nursed back to health before being sent anywhere ..

 

[Bringerofdoom]

billy billy bill. you need not to adress me anymore.
the picture she claims is so healthy is not, its a fact. if you werent so focused on getting me kicked from fauna you would read where several breeders have also agreed with my comments. might i add wendy doesnt appear to be a breeder rather than a cruel negecltfull person.

Bill i know you came here just to attack me, cause she helped you attack me on another thread. i didnt come here for yours or hers flamewars. a million people can tell that beardie is neglected before he even got it. she figured, cause she pawned it off on a minor she could have her say that he killed it.

i will let her "proof" of a healthy beardie speak for itself.

you dont know jack about beardies bill, face it. now dont go turning this into thread another flamewar against me, like usual.

 

[heatherlee2112]

If anybody wants, I'd be more than happy to take some photos from each party, number the bands on the tails so that they correspond, and point out certain spots where it can be proven that this is the same specimen...no altering of photos; just labeling. If you look closely, this is the same animal. Color should not play a factor, as the lighting was obviously somewhat off in the spoon picture.

Not taking sides, just want to confirm something...

 

[critical bill]

Yeah...

Dehydration will tend to make an animal look this way.

i also agree with tokay dude. this dragon looks STARVED, undersized and everything else. i thought i was looking at a young beardie, but thats not looking right to me not that you said the age.

anyone know how big it is? a beardie of that age should be 18+ inches. the pics of it being dead on a paper towel suggest its horribly undersized.

 

[repfriend]

ok then...

in your expert opinion "what" made the animal look so terrible in Wendys pics, when it is still alive?

Or do you think it looks like a big (haha) healthy (sure) happy (no comment) dragon, like she claims, in HER picture?

When I saw "her" picture, I didn't even think that was a bearded dragon. I know there are similar looking lizards, that are grey and slimmer and just look different.

I thought thats what I was looking at. If that was a sub-adult bearded dragon then it was neither big nor happy and DEF> NOT HEALTHY!!!!!!!!

Such a poor animal should have never been sent out to anyone, minor or not. Its a shame!!! Who knows what this Dragon was suffering from, her disregard for it and continued BS about it, is just mindboggling!!

 

[critical bill]

Re: ok then...

Hey sweetie relax, I never said I was an expert. I said in my opinion it looked as if the animal was dehydrated. I have seen dehydrated animals before as I am sure you have.

I would like to look further into the posts to see if a weight prior to shipping was given and what the weight was at the time of death. Water would certainly make up a good percentage of total body weight. From that I think we can make our own judgements as to what may have caused the animal to die.

Peace-

Chuck

in your expert opinion "what" made the animal look so terrible in Wendys pics, when it is still alive?

Or do you think it looks like a big (haha) healthy (sure) happy (no comment) dragon, like she claims, in HER picture?

When I saw "her" picture, I didn't even think that was a bearded dragon. I know there are similar looking lizards, that are grey and slimmer and just look different.

I thought thats what I was looking at. If that was a sub-adult bearded dragon then it was neither big nor happy and DEF> NOT HEALTHY!!!!!!!!

Such a poor animal should have never been sent out to anyone, minor or not. Its a shame!!! Who knows what this Dragon was suffering from, her disregard for it and continued BS about it, is just mindboggling!!

 

[critical bill]

Cant I post my opinion?

I'm not attacking anyone and I havent taken sides on the issue.

I can repeat what I said if you did not comprehend it the first time.

It appears the animal was dehydrated. I did not say if it started out that way from Wendy's neglect or Daves. I only stated what it appeared to look like in the photo of it laying thier dead and flipped over.

So where do you see this as an attack on you? Must everyone draw thier opinions out in BLOCK letters so you can understand what they mean?

You seem pretty determined to declare her a bad person to deal with and I simply think that a lot of contributing factors may have resulted in the death. I would like to explore them and give both sides the benefit of the doubt before I draw my own conclusion.

Is that ok with you? I wont be offending you to post my own opinion and conclusion? I think by participating in this thread I will learn alot about dragons and both parties in general.

Why would you seek to turn this into something other than an educational experience for me by stating "I dont know jack about beardies"? I dont. I am a snake guy and thats why I am here.
Do you have something against people learning too?

You sure are an angry person Mike. I hope one day you can get that under control.

Peace-
Chuck

billy billy bill. you need not to adress me anymore.
the picture she claims is so healthy is not, its a fact. if you werent so focused on getting me kicked from fauna you would read where several breeders have also agreed with my comments. might i add wendy doesnt appear to be a breeder rather than a cruel negecltfull person.

Bill i know you came here just to attack me, cause she helped you attack me on another thread. i didnt come here for yours or hers flamewars. a million people can tell that beardie is neglected before he even got it. she figured, cause she pawned it off on a minor she could have her say that he killed it.

i will let her "proof" of a healthy beardie speak for itself.

you dont know jack about beardies bill, face it. now dont go turning this into thread another flamewar against me, like usual.

 

[GinoInDaBronx]

another new scammer...

wendy, your actions on here are really sad. But the way that you treated that dragon was criminal!

So, you have 8 inch spoons, do you? Do you want us to believe that all normal spoons are that size? Who are you trying to kid? They are 6.5 inches at the very best!

Your little friend stacy is a day late and a dollar short. We have already proven that Dan 's photos was of the same animal. That was a nice try, though. I guess that if you tell a lie often enough, someone will eventually buy it.

wendy, can you account for your shipping practices? You sent a beardie to NYC, in October, and used no heat pack? Did you provide him with any heat while he was in your care? It looks as though he has never seen UVB at all.

wendy, you are yet another disgrace to herpetoculture. In fact, your actions remind of the infamous sal tornambene (he is single now-you should call him). he keeps his animals in a storage shed and never feeds them. i think that you did that to tis beardie. Does the few bucks that you saved make you feel like a big hero?

 

[reptilebreeder]

Re: Cant I post my opinion?

I'm not attacking anyone and I havent taken sides on the issue.

I can repeat what I said if you did not comprehend it the first time.

It appears the animal was dehydrated. I did not say if it started out that way from Wendy's neglect or Daves. I only stated what it appeared to look like in the photo of it laying thier dead and flipped over.


Why would you seek to turn this into something other than an educational experience for me by stating "I dont know jack about beardies"? I dont. I am a snake guy and thats why I am here.
Do you have something against people learning too?


Peace-
Chuck

The picture of the BD after it is dead, does look like dehydration could be a contributing factor. The reason the other poster might have an issue with your statements, is you post a couple times, just saying it looks like it was dehydrated (which appears that you might be infering, that the OP didn't give it water in 4 days and killed it) However, if you look at the picture that the person posted as being the actual BD that she sent to the OP, you can see what appears to be a less than robust BD. It looks to skinny and lackluster. Taking that into account it would seem that the BD was already having problems, more significant than just not being given something to drink.
John Kellar

 

[critical bill]

Thank You John...

Yes, looking at what I posted it may appear I was taking a side. I should have been more clear. I truly have never studied what a robust, healthy dragon should look like. I do know there are lots of color variations out there and I thought I was looking at a normal healthy young dragon.

Thats why I only kept my opinion to dehydration as a contributing factor of the death, clinical signs that would appear in most animals if denied water intake.

I dont know why the other poster felt the need to label me an instigator and make note I knew nothing. But I certainly do appreciate your time and patience to explain some details to me.

Thanks again,

Chuck

The picture of the BD after it is dead, does look like dehydration could be a contributing factor. The reason the other poster might have an issue with your statements, is you post a couple times, just saying it looks like it was dehydrated (which appears that you might be infering, that the OP didn't give it water in 4 days and killed it) However, if you look at the picture that the person posted as being the actual BD that she sent to the OP, you can see what appears to be a less than robust BD. It looks to skinny and lackluster. Taking that into account it would seem that the BD was already having problems, more significant than just not being given something to drink.
John Kellar

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

Re: another new scammer...

wendy, your actions on here are really sad. But the way that you treated that dragon was criminal!

So, you have 8 inch spoons, do you? Do you want us to believe that all normal spoons are that size? Who are you trying to kid? They are 6.5 inches at the very best!

Your little friend stacy is a day late and a dollar short. We have already proven that Dan 's photos was of the same animal. That was a nice try, though. I guess that if you tell a lie often enough, someone will eventually buy it.

wendy, can you account for your shipping practices? You sent a beardie to NYC, in October, and used no heat pack? Did you provide him with any heat while he was in your care? It looks as though he has never seen UVB at all.

wendy, you are yet another disgrace to herpetoculture. In fact, your actions remind of the infamous sal tornambene (he is single now-you should call him). he keeps his animals in a storage shed and never feeds them. i think that you did that to tis beardie. Does the few bucks that you saved make you feel like a big hero?

I am no going to continue to argue about this

When I shippe dhim it was above 80 here at 5pm, I think a heat pack would haev over heated him and I could have been wrong about that but he was picked up after 7pma nd delivered before 10:30 Am so I did not think a heat pack added to 80 degree weather would be necessart

He was under a mercury vapor bulb the entire time I had him and had a large pool to swim in

I am not a scammer, Dan has had this happen with other animals very recently in which he told me about another trade, he was sent leos and they misteriously died on him on very fast and he was glad he did not ship his part of the trade before they died.

The pics I have of the dragon are in August, I do not have a digi cam and had to borrow one, the ad was posted on fauna in August with the august pics. I will borrow a camera again to take a picture of my weird spoons, odd, mt other spoons are even longer thant he one like he took the picture with.

He was cooled august and september and did not put on size during that time. And I know he did not have to be cooled but it was easier to cool them all together so I did. That could have been a mistake on my part but he was warmed and eating for 3 weeks before I sent him out, drinking a ton of water and runnign around like crazy.

If the dragon was unhealthy he should have sent him back to me Wed afternoon or at the latest thursday but he didn't do that.

I have nothing else to say about this at all, he should have sent the dragon back to me, he should have fed him and given him tons of water etc.

I probably should not have cooled him, maybe should have used a heat pack and should not have shipped to a minor with previous trade problems.

Had I known he has leos die before he completed a differnt trade or that he was underaged I would not have sent the dragon to meet an unfortunate death.

I do not know why the dragon perished so quickly, if he was in any way unhealthy went I sent him he showed no signs of it at all.

 

[1216dex]

This might be a clue

drinking a ton of water

The only time I can think of a beardie drinks a "ton" of water is when they're dehydrated due to massive parasite loads
J. Dustin Loy

 

[Lynn]

Re: Re: another new scammer...

Wendy said

[He was cooled august and september and did not put on size during that time. And I know he did not have to be cooled but it was easier to cool them all together so I did. That could have been a mistake on my part but he was warmed and eating for 3 weeks before I sent him out, drinking a ton of water and runnign around like crazy.

If the dragon was unhealthy he should have sent him back to me Wed afternoon or at the latest thursday but he didn't do that.

I have nothing else to say about this at all, he should have sent the dragon back to me, he should have fed him and given him tons of water etc.}


OH MY GOD WOMAN.. You cooled a 8 month old dragon down because it is easier....HE IS STILL GROWING. YOU STAVED HIM FOR 2 MONTHS BECAUSE IT WAS EASIER... Keep digging your own grave.

There is NO reason on Gods green earth to cool down a dragon that is 8 months old..
Drinking tons of water... This is a desert reptile. Drinking tons of water is a one sign of sickness..BUT I need to remember you starved him for 2 months...
What is this tons of water thing you are stuck on. I did not know there is tons of water in the desert.
YOU ARE NO BEARDED DRAGON BREEDER..

 

[Lynn]

This might be a clue

The only time I can think of a beardie drinks a "ton" of water is when they're dehydrated due to massive parasite loads
J. Dustin Loy

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY.....

 

[Wilomn]

Re: Re: another new scammer...

The pics I have of the dragon are in August, I do not have a digi cam and had to borrow one, the ad was posted on fauna in August with the august pics. I will borrow a camera again to take a picture of my weird spoons, odd, mt other spoons are even longer thant he one like he took the picture with.

He was cooled august and september and did not put on size during that time. And I know he did not have to be cooled but it was easier to cool them all together so I did. That could have been a mistake on my part but he was warmed and eating for 3 weeks before I sent him out, drinking a ton of water and runnign around like crazy.

If the dragon was unhealthy he should have sent him back to me Wed afternoon or at the latest thursday but he didn't do that.

I have nothing else to say about this at all, he should have sent the dragon back to me, he should have fed him and given him tons of water etc.

I probably should not have cooled him, maybe should have used a heat pack and should not have shipped to a minor with previous trade problems.

Had I known he has leos die before he completed a differnt trade or that he was underaged I would not have sent the dragon to meet an unfortunate death.

I do not know why the dragon perished so quickly, if he was in any way unhealthy went I sent him he showed no signs of it at all.

wendy that shovel of yours is wearing down. Let me get you another. If you cooled that dragon in North Carolina in August and September I'm thinking you had to put him in an air conditioned room. I'm fairly certain that your night time temps during the SUMMER are not appropiate for dragon cooling.

If he was indeed in an airconditioned room, what temp was he kept at? How did you verify this? Was there a fluctuation between daytime and nightime? Are you aware, of course you're not, who am I asking this of, that in a room with air conditoner the moisture is sucked right out of the air? This can lead directly to dehydration. If this went on for two months with no food or water that right there is the reason this guy died.

I've only kept and bred beardies for 12 years or so, never in huge numbers but I get a few almost every year. The dragon you shipped was emaciated and dehydrated. It should NEVER have been shipped.

Your continually trying to put this off on someone else is ridiculous. Stop trying to bring up that the recipiant was underage and had some other deal go bad. If you've got some proof post it.

We've all seen the proof that you are one of the worst of the worst out there.

There are no excuses for that lizard dying that are NOT directly attributable to YOU and only YOU.

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

Re: Re: Re: another new scammer...

OH MY GOD WOMAN.. You cooled a 8 month old dragon down because it is easier....HE IS STILL GROWING. YOU STAVED HIM FOR 2 MONTHS BECAUSE IT WAS EASIER... Keep digging your own grave.

There is NO reason on Gods green earth to cool down a dragon that is 8 months old..
Drinking tons of water... This is a desert reptile. Drinking tons of water is a one sign of sickness..BUT I need to remember you starved him for 2 months...
What is this tons of water thing you are stuck on. I did not know there is tons of water in the desert.
YOU ARE NO BEARDED DRAGON BREEDER..

Like I said, cooling was probably a mistake and dragons do not starve while cooling they hibernate and do not need food during that time.

I am not a dragon breeder, I wanted to give it a try and decided to stick with leos and Chameleons.

I had no idea that drinking tons of water was unusual, I thought it was normal during warming. I have always been told to provide them with a soaking area for them to swim in and drink from.

He was very active when sent out and eating and drinking very well!

 

[Lynn]

Re: Re: Re: Re: another new scammer...

Like I said, cooling was probably a mistake and dragons do not starve while cooling they hibernate and do not need food during that time.

He was not hibernating. He was shut down. Like I said YOU STARVED HIM. He was still growing. With most dragons it is not required to hibernate them the first year. It was just easier for you. To heck what is right for the dragon huh. Males do not reach their sexually peak until they ARE 2 YEARS OLD. This is when they are at their top performance.
KEEP DIGGING...

 

[Lynn]

Re: Re: Re: Re: another new scammer...

I am not a dragon breeder

That is the first honest thing you have said.