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What would you call her, Hyglo? Hybino....?

holes in his story?

note that the APTORS are born without banding. this is the "patternless" gene he refers to.

though he says they "...often carry the gene for reverse stripe?"

first of all...

wouldnt "reverse stripe" be a pattern?

second...

are stripes polygenic or not (he apparently claims they are polygenic)? if so than how could they carry "THE gene for reverse stripe"?????

and i dont know where Ron Tremper learned to use a punnet square but crossing two hets, when dealing with reccesive genes, will never create 50/50 ratio reccesive phenotype to normal phenotype.

the guy cant even work a simple punnet square? one week giants are reccesive, another they are codominant? stripes are recessive than they are polygenic (which i completely agree they are polygenic)??

i just dont know but i cant wait to read the new book. i hope he graphs out the punnet square he used to figure out how two simple reccesive hets create 50/50 aptors/hets. that should be interesting!
 
yes

i saw that too ! and posted on here somewhere ! try %25 aptor %75 like the parents , ron ! ............. LOL BIG HOLES !!! if giants are co-dom and there are "supers " why did ron say you would get %50/50 ratio of giant to normal , when he updated all of us with that e-mail ! that would be the results of breeding the heterozygous(co-dom) state to WT ! the breakdown ......................................................................................... Super Giant X Giant = 50% Super Giant / 50% Giant_........
Super Giant X_Normal = 100% Giant .....................................................................................Super Giant X Super Giant = 100% Super Giant

Giant X Giant = 25% Super Giant, 50% Giant, 25% Normal
Giant X Normal = 50% Giant / 50% Normal

i have learned soooo much in only 10 years , in 6 months ive pretty much learned everything there is to know about leopard gecko genetics ! ron has what ? 30 years ! OMG LOL
ron told me about jungle/stripe being polygenic , then in the same e-mail says that this "recessive patternless gene " came from the designers (jungle/stripe ) ! hehe now how in the hell does a "patternless recessive trait " come from non-recessive patterned geckos ???? also they do obviously have a pattern to them ! this is the morph that is on his projects page (or was ) it was going to be called "patternless-hypo orange " ( much better name ) only might lead some to think it is patternless , but tells it like it is HYPO !!! chad look on rons designers page ! there is a sold "hypo-designer" (looks nothing like hines hypo ) add carrothead and albino to that and BAMMMMM youve got an " APGLO " (IMHO) lol
 
Ron Tremoer states it is a new patternless trait and i tend to belive him seeing how he is selling hets i think he might have spent a bit more time proving this one out seeing how what happened to the giants but he is actually selling hets so we will see
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i dont give a rats tookus what Ron says... he very apparantly knows nothing aboiut genetics just look at his punnent square from a het to het breeding....... you cant trust a word he utters... you know the brown albinos and those het giants it's not patternless its at most a stripe gene hypoed out he is just trying to name it different whatever like i said hybino......sunglow (you know what i will leave those out, different breeding groups and whatnot) but aptor and hyglows are the same thing... chances are exact
 
Robin is just jelous !

that the "APGLO" was released before her "hyneeglow" LOL ( you know im kidding robin )
 
i would much rather have my hyneeglow at least you can snuggle with parts of it... and you can potty train it and eeven teach it to fetch stufff for ya, carry large loads... is fulla shiz.... kinda like a draft horse but with more intelegence...
 
ok first and formost Ron is nothing more than a BUSINESS MAN and i know this but he would not sell hets if he wasnt sure they were recessive who knows this could turn out to be nothing more than a hypoed albino but from all the hypoed albinos i have seen none were born completly patternless even the pictures Robin and Kelli have poasted of thier hypos they all have 2 tones to them usually an orange and a yellow banded pattern. as for the hybinos they are born tangerine albinos with a lot of white that eventually fades out i know this because i own 2 and i have had them since they were about 22 grams now they look kinda like a hybino but it is different at any rate we all know how full of it Ron is but you have to admitt they are very nice looking animals and for 750-1250 that is a pretty good price considering what hybinos are going for these days

Above is just my thoughts and oippinions if i have affended anyone i am sorry

Billy Blanchet
 
billy that is what im trying to tell you !

check your private messages ! recessive het X het gives %25 homozygous % 25 normal and %50 het ! NEVER in a million years will you hatch out %50 desired trait from those UNLESS one is homozygous , BUT he calls them "hets" !! they are amazing looking(fully agree ) but wasnt the point ! ALSO they are NOT patt. , have pattern ! the patterns ARE NOT recessive , but ron claims this "rcessive patternless " comes from the NON - RECESSIVE designers (patterned) i dont think so ronnie LOL they look almost identical to "hyglo" , ron will tell you that is the "super-tangerine genes"at work , but the APTOR is unrelated ! and if you beleive that , he`ll tell you another one !!
 
as for the hybinos they are born tangerine albinos with a lot of white that eventually fades out
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those are not hybinos, those are tangerine albinos. hybinos are born hybino no mistaking them and yes are born with bands but soon will fade to one color(within the first month to six weeks)... now how old are these hatchling patternles aptors?... given time thise banded hybinos will be one color.. so shoot ill have patternless bell hybinos soon what should i call them BAHOP'sand if i can get HYPo tangerine stripoe those will be HOTAS all once colored albino stripes, patternless too
 
well i would assume hyglows are the same as well HY (hypo) glows... im guessing it glows or is bright/// personally i think aptors and hyglos are the EXACT same thing... and when i mean exact i mean just that exact.
 
Don't forget that Alberto (Hyglow) buys a lot of animals from Ron (Aptor)

If they're not the same thing, it's a wonderful coincidence that Alberto uses Tremper stock to produce an animal that looks remarkably exactly like an animal that Tremper produces but is something completely different?



We shall see....


Regardless, beautiful animals from both sources. Even if chicken and egg are the one and the same.
 
check your private messages ! recessive het X het gives %25 homozygous % 25 normal and %50 het ! NEVER in a million years will you hatch out %50 desired trait from those UNLESS one is homozygous , BUT he calls them "hets" !!
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ACTUALLY......

statistically speaking, het X het = 25% homozygous dominant (genotypically normal), 50% heterozygous (phenotypically normal), and 25% homozygous recessive.

Never in a million years.....did I think this would happen....

in 2002 I bred a male Rainwater albino to a heterozygous female. The resulted breeding produced 16 eggs. One, I repeat ONE, egg yielded an albino. The rest were normals! Those above precentages are based on statistics and that's based over thousands upon thousands of breedings, not just a single breeding. You're NEVER EVER guaranteed 25% normals, 50% hets, and 25% recessives. Just a mere probability. Genetics and chromosomes are funny like that. You could, hypothetically, breed hets and get nothing but recessives from the pairing! No normals, no hets, just recessives. Or it could go the other way, get nothing but normals (which the hets would be normal too!).

Chris
 
well all i can say is 2 of my jungle giants that i got from alberto turned out hyglow and they looked nothing like the APTORS pics at 2 monthes they looked like a really nice jungle giant with really nice color (Exactly what they were sold to me as) and i fortunatly got luck that the white fadded away and left me nice tangerine in its place (must have been the tangerine fairy) LOL but when Robin showed me pics of her hybinos they looked nothing alike also so these are just truely line breed that way no hypo Alberto plans on adding hypo into his giants but only has hets no giant hybinos yet but they will look all the same just like robin said same looking animal just different roads taken to achieve the end desired result but what does separate them is if you breed a Hyglow to an albino or to an Aptor i think the babies will look nothing the same as the parents but will make for an interesting project.

hey Steve how many bell blazings did hatch?
 
ok maybe its in the name but hyglow seems like he is saying hypo glow so if it is not hypo then maybe it should be tanglow or something... but by his name he is implying it's hypo rather than a selectively vred trait.... however there arent many tang line that HAVE not been influenced by the hine hypo line somwhere in the mix.... what about a tangerine albinos? or a super tangerine albino at least it might be a bit more accurate BUT i still think the hyglow and the aptor are the exact same animals and that these hyglows and aptors do ineed have some hine line hypo in them somewhere. but i think the tangerine albinos are different and not hyglows or aptors but i do think they are either hypo stripes (to the extreme) or hybinos and singlows but using trempers animals, not line , animals (well line too trempers animals)
 
Beauty Matt, Would be interesting to see 2 month old pics of all these morphs. If an animal changes into a "new morph" in your posession, do you get to name it ? How about the Mattador (Matt's Awesome Damn Orange)??
 
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