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What would you call her, Hyglo? Hybino....?

I always see hatchlings change so much as they get older that sometimes you wouldnt even think it was the same leo. So you can get a good idea by its looks as a hatchling but you never know what changes may occur while it get older. I have seen Hybinos (or whatever you want to call em) hatch out with bands only to completly loose them as they grow. So the ending result is the same reguardless of if they hatched banded or not. Just like I have seen SH hatch out with no spots what so ever and some have spots only to loose all of them. So you can judge them by how they look as hatchlings but the ending result is often the same. I have a question though. Shouldnt there be Tangerine Hybinos and Hybinos (yellow)? I see yellow Hybinos and Tangerine Hybinos alot. I think that this is why they have come up with new names Sunglow,Hyglow. But I just wanted to know if a Hybino is just a Hybino reguardless of color? Just like there are SH (yellow) and SHT (Tangerine).
 
exactly chris i am fully aware of that but thank you !

het X het = 25% homozygous dominant (genotypically normal), 50% heterozygous (phenotypically normal), and 25% homozygous recessive. .................................................................................................... just like i said you will get %75 like the parents (from the het aptors ) and %25 aptor just to point out what rons site says is wrong , i did NOT mention that %50 percent will be hets ... since that was not my point !
 
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You're NEVER EVER guaranteed 25% normals, 50% hets, and 25% recessives. Just a mere probability. Genetics and chromosomes are funny like that. You could, hypothetically, breed hets and get nothing but recessives from the pairing! No normals, no hets, just recessives. Or it could go the other way, get nothing but normals (which the hets would be normal too!).
......................NO you are not guaranteed ! but over many many breedings
if you were to record every hatchling , eventually you WILL end up with percentages VERY CLOSE to what probability says !
so no you very likely will never hatch out %25/%50/%25 from one breeding ! ok question > what is it that normally hatches 1 in 16 ? isnt that het X het breeding ??? i have heard 1 in 16 repeatedly , may have that confused w/ something else ! tremper was one person that metioned that ratio (6 months ago ) when he was telling me about the "16X multi-hets" (or was it the carrothead jungle giants )i distinctly remember him saying 1 in 16 hathes out patternless ( at least that much i remember very well) ! having heard that ron has a 16X het , has made me wonder in the past if the "multi-homozygous" carrothead /tail tangerine jungle giants (and now the aptors) have come from that 16X project ! and that these giants could also carry other genes ! now that would be interesting !
 
1 in 16 is referring to animals that are double hets....like breeding a pair of normals that are het for albino and patternless.

you'll have a (over again many thousands of hatchings) ratio of 9:3:3:1...

9 normals, 3 albinos, 3 patternless, 1 patternless albino. Some of those normals, genotypically speaking, will be het for albino, patternless, or both. Some of the albinos will be het for patternless, and some of the patternless will be het albino.

Maybe this will help visually...

Simple Genetics

Oh, and thanks for restating some of what I had posted and for the record....

just like i said you will get %75 like the parents (from the het aptors ) and %25 aptor just to point out what rons site says is wrong , <b>i did NOT mention that %50 percent will be hets</b> ... since that was not my point !
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check your private messages ! recessive het X het gives %25 homozygous % 25 normal and <b><font size=3>%50 het</b></font> !
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Chris
 
oh ok

thanx ! i was just correcting the way i had written that , and the way i thought you understood it ! too easy to not be perfectly clear (and sound like an idiot lol ) just want to be perfectly understood here
 
Here you all go, this is it as a hatchling.
 

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that cant be an APTOR (it has banding) but it could be a super tangerine. you can quote me on this but maybe Hyglo and Super-Tangerine are the same.

oh yeah has anyone mentioned that the probabibility worked out in a punnet square works on a much larger scale than just one breeding? cause someone should mention that cause i dont think anyone has yet. oh yeah and you arent guarenteed those ratios either.

hey chris... you, me and dan poe all got something in common.... we have a better understanding of genetics than Ron Tremper...

id think with all the money he probably makes off leos and from his publisher that he could afford a biology or genetics class at the local J.C. y'know to maybe balance his knowledge, with his sales pitch.

now im gonna throw on my Street Fighters Last Revenge DVD (sonny chiba rules!!!!) and wait for my het for Hybino from taino.
 
LOL i just had to do it !

Quote from rons e-mail to me > ................................... you mention "selective-bred" ! 2. is this "patternless" selective bred ? a recessive? co-dom? or dom ? ...........

The patternless gene is a recessive mutation that originally occurred in my
designer line. Then through selective breeding I added the carrot-head and carrot-tail, tangerine and giant genes over 3 generations.

3. will NOT produce a banded "het" with other genes ???

This morph has no genes for any banding pattern on the torso. It will of course produce banded hets if you use other geckos with banding genes.


...............4. is jungle/stripe/reverse-stripe recessive or co-dom ?

Neither. They are all what is called polygenic traits, but since they have
been refined for many generations they behave somewhat like recessives.

............ those "patternless" obviously all have some pattern to them ,

By "those patternless", do you specifically mean the APTORs pictured? In that case, the answer is yes. If you are making a general statement about
all my APTORs here, then the answer would be no. I have many APTORs
that hatch patternless and remain patternless, some of which show concentrations of orange pigment.

and very much resemble what alberto @ A&M gecko calls a "hyglo" that he claims he selectively bred from the carrothead tangerines!

Alberto bought a number of carrot-heads from another line of mine. And yes
some turn into what he calls the hyglo.

i know you have the "super-tangerines" that tend to hypo-out the patterning ! albertos look like your "supers" but even more like the APTOR ! are these all the same thing here ?

No they are not the same thing. Those are the result of how my tangerine
gene works over time. The taking over of the lighter body bands is a genetic
mutation and not a selective situtation. A hypo or hyglo that tends to turn
all one color by 10 months of age is genetically not related to the APTOR.

Take care,
Ron.........

SEEMS VERY SURE THAT THE "HYGLO" IS IN FACT HIS "SUPER-TANGERINE"
 
I Thought

that matt was saying , that is the pic of the gecko that he originally posted this thread about ! matt ?
 
i call bullshizle on the entireAPTOT, paternlessfrigon this and that and different crap... blah... makes me want to drive down to ron's town , my home town and give him a genetics lesson and then tell him BS... and skip away
 
maybe i could invite him over for thanksgiving and explain genetics to him and a whole room full of mississippi rednecks


wonder who would catch on first? hmm
 
I'm sorry, but...

... I am so confused and frustrated with all of these 'new' morphs I could just spit! I wish I knew more about leopard gecko genetics than I do, but it seems to me that there is more of an ego issue here rather than good genetics studies! It appears to be a race to see who can put their own name on their 'new morph,' and the genetics are getting so diluted that we will not be able to tell what is what.

The truth of the matter is, that NONE of us really understands the complexities of leopard gecko genetics and how they actually relate to what we understand about genetics in general. If the so-called experts can't even determine what a simple recessive gene is vs. a co-dominant, (and now we have to deal with polygenic traits), then how in the heck are we supposed to improve the morphs we currently work on and try to understand those genetics?

Don't get me wrong... all of these geckos are beautiful! But, I am personally sick to death of people trying to get their name put on the map for nothing more than to capitalize on the next 'wave' for people to jump on, and not contribute anything to the actual study and understanding of the morphs themselves!

It's reminiscent of Oscar Night whan all the stars come out to show of their designer name label dresses... "I'm wearing an Armani", and "My gown is a Donna Karan," but it looks like a "Giorgio" and it's really a knock-off...
 
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