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Lucille will talk to me in private only if it does NOT include fauna.
She came on in the end knowing Rich was angry with me and did her usual thing.
I would rather just leave it alone. Maybe next time she will be more cautious on what she says. Like I said I know about Wes now. I just want to go on. I no longer have a desire to talk to her and I am talking to Rich in private. I just wish she could fight her own battles.
 
Wow did this thread take a wrong turn somewhere!!!! I personally say that the WES subject is done and over with and this new subject or cat fight as you have it has gone over the deep edge i would say its time to lock the thread, say good night and have a happy thanksgiving.
 
Oh geez Lucille give it up, when I make a mistake as I did on here twice, one I am talking to Rich in private with the other was saying you were banned from trr, which in PART was correct. I was mistaken. Do you understand that word? I cleared it up promptly.
I am not letting personal feelings get in the way like you do, if I am wrong I say I am wrong.
Again, I am not sad, angry or bitter. Please quit trying to read my feelings, you keep doing that why? I don't care that Wes is banned. I GOT it.
All of a sudden you want to take a stand, but wont answer any of my questions, just reword what I write and say what YOU think I feel.
You can not coax my into getting angry, I feel NOTHING for you or what you say any longer,so therefore you can't make me feel anyway.
You just don't get it. I know the real you now and don't like it, but I still like fauna and a lot of people on here. Do you get it now? Has it sunk in yet? A mistake is NOT a lie.
NOW can it be ended on this thread????????????
 
Thank goodness someone agrees with me, thank you Nic.
End the thread. Go on to our fav forums
I know where Wes is, I dont care he is banned. End of story.
 
Jeez Louise! Talk about blowing a molehill into a mountain!

Rozann, my comment about you not being here in 8 months has nothing at all to do with what you were doing anywhere else. It is completely irrelevant to the situation. I don't care if you were in a cave that entire time. My point was that you were not HERE evidently following what was going on, particularly with the events leading up to Wes's banning. It doesn't matter on whit where you were elsewhere or what you were doing there, wherever that was.

Let's look at that quote again, shall we?
So tell me Rozann, what's your stake in this? It had been nearly 8 months from your last posting here since starting this thread. It's not like you are some regular here and are really going to miss conversing with Wes on this site. So what is it that motivated you to bring this up? Hmmm???? Sorry, but from what I can see, your stated motivation here just doesn't add up.

Hmm, nope. I don't see anything in there that would indicate I was in the least bit concerned about what you were actually doing when you weren't on this forum. Do you see it anywhere? Maybe I am just missing something that you saw.

Matter of fact, let's go all the way back to your original post that started this thread:

Stardust said:
WES?????? I haven't seen him on here and I checked the members list and he is not on there. How can one be taken off a member list with all of his threads?
I checked suspended, but all his fines have been paid, somewhere along the lines I missed something huge!!!!!!
Let discuss this sound off style.

So what does this mean? Did you know about Wes being banned before posting this message? Hmm? And what exactly is "sound off style"? What exactly did you have in mind when you started this thread? I'll tell you what it sounds like to me, and is now pretty much reinforced by the way you have continued this thread. Sounds like you were trolling to me. This thread was designed to do a number of things, one of which was to kick up a lot of dissention on this site. Plus apparently to let everyone know where to go and meet up with Wes on other sites. I don't have any rules about that, but will label it at least in the "pretty tacky" category.

So you have jumped from trying to get Wes reinstated, claiming I was "unfair" (meaning 184 points is not enough, and/or myself and the moderators were unjust in the reasons Wes was given those warning points for his actions). When the overwhelming support for this stance of yours failed to materialize, you then shifted gears. Hah! How about accusing WebSlave of being in this only for the *money*? Surely that will be a hot button to get everyone riled up, now won't it? Well that didn't exactly pan out either, now did it Rozann. So what's next? Oh yeah, let's turn the sights onto Lucille why don't we? She's a nice target of convenience that you can work on to try to get people worked up over her now.

Trying hard to work people up into a frenzy of resentment, now aren't you?

Rozann, your actions are a classic definition of "trolling". I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt that you just don't know what the hell you are doing here and you are accidentally falling into the role of a troll, but sorry, I find that hard to believe. Personally, I believe you were set up to come here with the goal in mind to just stir up crap.

It looks to me that you are claiming to be an unbiased "friend" of Wes, and only trying to come to his aid in his time of "need". You are acting the role of just trying to do this out of the goodness of your heart for a wronged friend.

Personally my gut feeling is that you were sent here with an agenda in mind. Regardless of your denials (which would be expected), you are here under false pretenses entirely and quite probably at the direction of at least Wes Pollock and perhaps others instigating what you are pulling here.

By all rights I should just fine and suspend you out of hand for "obvious trolling". But I will hold off, simply because I believe that was also one of your goals here. To get martyred so you could claim what a dictator I am by slapping you down for "only stating my opinion". Sorry Rozann, what you are doing here is FAR below and beyond that. And I will be quite honest about it, I am not tolerating it any longer. If you continue on this agenda of trolling here, even a little bit, then you will get fined and suspended. Period.

Regardless of what you say, you have NOT been active on this site, participating in any of the threads in any discernible fashion, and dropped in here out of the blue with only one purpose in mind: To cause as much trouble as you can.

Anyone is will to disagree with my assessment of this situation, but it will not change my decision. One further post from Rozann that even smells faintly of trolling will get her fined and suspended. This garbage will not continue here.
 
Stardust said:
....and I am talking to Rich in private.

No we are not talking in private. You PMs have been as contentless as what you are posting in this thread. Nothing I have said has made the slightest impression to you, so please read my previous post and pay attention to what I have said there.
 
Rich, have you not been reading my threads all the way. I have been wanting to drop it, to move on to other forums I like, to go to classifieds. I am not a freaking troll. Please
I knew from Lucille something happened to Wes but she would not talk to me about it, as always, she does not want to IM with me about anything that I might disagree with, so no talking in private there. She runs from it.
SO instead of trying to look at every thread to figure out what was going on I just simply came here and asked. Had Lucille talked you would know I am just coming back getting into the swing of things. Unfortunately she has her own agenda.
Again, I do not care that Wes is banned, he doesn't why should I?
I would like to just go on now if its ok with you.
 
Stardust said:
I give up, we have PM'ed, my mistake I thought we were airing out in private.
OK?

Sorry but no. That's not how it works. You made some damaging unsubstantiated accusations in this thread, which is public. That will not be resolved privately. That sort of technique is akin to a newspaper making a damaging political claim on the front page, then a retraction on page F27, lower right hand corner.

My suggestion to you is to voluntarily go back to being a lurker on this site, before it becomes involuntary.

Oh and for the record, I do recognize a campaign when I see one:

From: wes pollock
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 10:01 AM
Subject: Rather Amusing, isn't it?


Hey Rich,

If I promise to be a REAL good boy, mind all my Ps and Qs and all, could I have access to ONLY the thread in sound off? Even if just for today, which is actually pretty busy for me but I will have some time to address the issues that keep coming up. I really don't want Nic to be middleman and while I do appreciate what he is doing, all unasked for, he does get awfully excited.

If not it's cool.

Hope all is well,
Wes

11-22-2005, 12:37 PM
Stardust said:
I hope a bit of dripping sarcasm (sp) is still allowed, all in good fun.


:bow01: :bow01: :bow01: :bow01: Oh great Webslave of all Webslaves, will you grant Wes to post here on this thread alone? :bow01: :bow01: :bow01:


Gee, what a coincidence that you two came up with the same idea like that independently. And within three hours both of you asked me about it. :rolleyes:

Tell your "friends" that they should have picked a better mouthpiece here. This thread is not at all what you are trying to make it appear, now is it Rozann?
 
WebSlave said:
Sorry but no. That's not how it works. You made some damaging unsubstantiated accusations in this thread, which is public. That will not be resolved privately. That sort of technique is akin to a newspaper making a damaging political claim on the front page, then a retraction on page F27, lower right hand corner.

My suggestion to you is to voluntarily go back to being a lurker on this site, before it becomes involuntary.

Oh and for the record, I do recognize a campaign when I see one:



11-22-2005, 12:37 PM



Gee, what a coincidence that you two came up with the same idea like that independently. And within three hours both of you asked me about it. :rolleyes:

Tell your "friends" that they should have picked a better mouthpiece here. This thread is not at all what you are trying to make it appear, now is it Rozann?


that is actually funny as Nic also came up with it all about the same time. great minds......
It was a fluke as me getting on when Wes happened to be a fluke. But believe what you want, I cant dissuade you. But you would think that after years of being on and off here, buying from only here, donating several times that now I am considered a troll.
I know whatever forum I write in just to write, geckos, snakes, whatever, you gave your mods including Lucille ability to ban me if they THINK I am trolling, when just reading can be construed as trolling in some peoples minds.
It's a shame I will be taken off, especially to your classified, I was so loyal to fauna. Still am to some degree. You are sooooooooooo wrong about this Rich, you really are, and I am saddened I will be forced to leave. I know how lucille works,she wont do it but will start something if I even say a peep about anything. Everyone she does not like eventually goes out of here, I have noticed that pattern. and you refuse to see it as she has a very brown nose right now.
I will not give up my God given rights to my mind, not to you or her.
But I am telling you I am NOT a troll, circumstance instead. I dont go looking for people like a troll does. I said my piece and because you want to think it is a conspiracy I cant change that. Funny but it was a fluke and the last time I was on was to buy on your donation thing. I bought from Marcia. How after all this time, just because I speak my mind you can label me a troll, because I have broken no rules and have only one point is beyond me.
Do as you or Lucille wishes, what you do I can not control. But like you, dont believe I dont know what is happening here, not for one single minute.
Lets be truthful, you dont want me to look for the threads to substanciate what I have said, you just want me gone. I wonder if Lucille had never came here, if any of this would have transpired. I will never know. I do know that I have done what I could when ever I am on here. That you can't deny. Did anyone get a thanks for the donations? I never did, yet I gave again.
I can not just shut up and be afraid to speak here.
I wont give up my values and morals for anyone. Anyway, I know how this witch hunt works, gee which forum should I just post something simple in just to get banned? :ack2: :toiletcla
 
one other thing, just because i am no good to you any longer because i wont subscribe doesnt mean I am no good to the forums or the people that support this site that I buy from.
 
Stardust said:
Lets be truthful, you dont want me to look for the threads to substanciate what I have said...
No, actually, I think that you're unable to substantiate the claims that you made about things that Rich has said in the past.

So...if you said that Rich said something that he didn't actually say, then you lied. As I said before, we all know what that makes you. Why don't you try to prove to those of us reading this topic that you're not in fact a...liar?
 
oh, give a little time, have to go back in time when he was doing it for the good of all and to catch people, there are several threads, just have to fine one :)
OR is this the troll try to get me thing?
 
Stardust said:
Ok, I'll bite, liar of what, that he once said he would never charge for this site?
OK
I do believe that was the statement Rich took the most exception to, and I'm pretty certain that was the statement that he asked you to prove.

There might have been another, but I haven't exactly been keeping a mental list of most of the garbage that has been posted in this topic. It's not like I've been overly concerned with what you had to say. It's hard enough to read your posts considering your lack of regard for simple communicative rules such as grammar, spelling, and punctuation. However, in spite of that, it's still not very hard for a person to see what is really going on here...
 
Excuse me for not using the proper writing tht you would want to see.
Oh Well. Come on mods keep coming, lets all gang up :dgrin: You aren't angering me either. Sorry
 
"By all rights I should just fine and suspend you out of hand for "obvious trolling". But I will hold off, simply because I believe that was also one of your goals here. To get martyred so you could claim what a dictator I am by slapping you down for "only stating my opinion". Sorry Rozann, what you are doing here is FAR below and beyond that. And I will be quite honest about it, I am not tolerating it any longer. If you continue on this agenda of trolling here, even a little bit, then you will get fined and suspended. Period."

Lets not pretend we don't know what is going on here ok?
 
Stardust said:
"By all rights I should just fine and suspend you out of hand for "obvious trolling". But I will hold off, simply because I believe that was also one of your goals here. To get martyred so you could claim what a dictator I am by slapping you down for "only stating my opinion". Sorry Rozann, what you are doing here is FAR below and beyond that. And I will be quite honest about it, I am not tolerating it any longer. If you continue on this agenda of trolling here, even a little bit, then you will get fined and suspended. Period."

Lets not pretend we don't know what is going on here ok?

Oh we do know, don't we Rozann?

Here's how you started off this thread:
Stardust said:
WES?????? I haven't seen him on here and I checked the members list and he is not on there. How can one be taken off a member list with all of his threads?
I checked suspended, but all his fines have been paid, somewhere along the lines I missed something huge!!!!!!
Let discuss this sound off style.

Wow gee willigers! Wes is banned? So you have been away for 8 months and you pop in here solely to post this thread? When you logged on naturally your first inclination was to check on Wes, is that it? Out of the 24,000+ registered members here, you decided to check on the one person who had been banned. Damn, I love coincidences, don't you?

And why the quip about discussing this "sound off style" right off the bat? Certainly indicates you were expecting more then a simple "He's still here, Rozann, you just made some mistake trying to find him", now doesn't it? It is painfully obvious that you knew already what had happened and were simply trying to work the troops up into joining under your banner of "Save Wes Pollock!".

Stardust said:
OMG, I can't believe that. Can't see him doing anything so bad as to be banned perm. He contributed, was funny, paid a lot of fines LOL
Do you know why? Even Neil didnt have his name taken off members lists when he was banned twice, this is so strange.

Gasp! More revelations! Dear me, I am so surprised! Why didn't anyone tell me?? Still carrying on the charade, it appears. Fair, but not convincing acting, though.

Stardust said:
Wow, I just got done reading that entire thread. I can not believe Wes was banned for that. Webslave, this is sound off and you have said I can express my opinions here freely, I do hope that still stands.
Although I haven't talked to Wes in a while, except after reading the thread and writing this we are friends, I have just been out of the loop.

Yeah right. You and Wes haven't been corresponding at all, eh Rozann? This is all just a coincidence that you jumped into this thread stating that you wanted to discuss this "sound off style", right? And it was also a coincidence that you felt compelled to ask "Webslave, this is sound off and you have said I can express my opinions here freely, I do hope that still stands." Right? Now why would you do to the trouble of asking such a thing? What exactly were you expecting (or planning) when you started this thread? Obviously something, it appears. You were fully expecting this to blow up into a full blown offensive against me, now weren't you? You laid the groundwork out first, knowing what you had hoped was coming, to try to be able to point back to it as my acceptance of the ground rules from the start. Good chess moves, no doubt, but darn shame the end game left you dangling.

But I am real curious about your stated claim "Although I haven't talked to Wes in a while, except after reading the thread and writing this we are friends, I have just been out of the loop." I assume since your earlier posts plainly claim you did not know about Wes being banned, your definition of "a while" is somewhat longer then a month. Or is "a while" something like 30 minutes or so, and you simply forgot before you posted this thread?

Now this is where it gets curious. When Wes got banned, he lost his privilege to have the BOI Good Guy Certificate on his website. Only Contributor level members and above in good standing on this site are allowed to do so. Wes was informed on 10/23/05 that his certification had been revoked and was requested to remove the banner from his website at http://www.calkings.com. An audit of his website on 10/25/05 showed that he had not complied with this request, so a followup email was sent to him that day requesting that he comply with my request to remove that certification icon immediately. His reply back to me was that he has been unable to remove that icon because he could not contact his web hosting and design person. But he has been making efforts to do so. Well, I figured it would be best for me to contact this person myself, just in case Wes were just dragging his feet on this issue. So I checked the WHOIS database and this is what I saw as the owner of the website doing the design and hosting of Wes's website:

Code:
Domain name: absolutemediasource.com

Registrant Contact:
   fierymultimedia
   Rozann Bruyn ([email protected])
   +231.3252820
   Fax: none
   1955 CR 669
   Beulah, MI 49617
   US

Administrative Contact:
   fierymultimedia
   Rozann Bruyn ([email protected])
   +231.3252820
   Fax: none
   1955 CR 669
   Beulah, MI 49617
   US

Gee............. :rofl:

Let's see now, your client, Wes Pollock, had been unable to contact you from October 25th or thereabouts, up until at least November 16th when you started this thread. Is that right? But wait a minute isn't Wes Pollock a client of your webhosting and design company? Is this typical of you to not allow any method for your clients to be able to contact you for "a while"? You have stated that for "a while" (presumably from WAY before October 25th) up till sometime past November 16th, one of your clients had been completely unable to contact you about the website you are hosting for them?

Interesting, to say the least. Matter of fact, pretty darn unbelievable, if you want my opinion. REAL unbelievable....... :rolleyes:

And to add another item to the long list of misconceptions, apparent untruths, and down right confusions you have expressed in this thread:
Stardust said:
I know whatever forum I write in just to write, geckos, snakes, whatever, you gave your mods including Lucille ability to ban me if they THINK I am trolling, when just reading can be construed as trolling in some peoples minds.

Sorry but no, Lucille cannot ban anyone from this site. She has semi moderator rights ONLY in the few forums I have assigned her to in order to handle them for me. Even in those forums, she cannot ban anyone at all who participates within them. But heck, why bother to research things, eh Rozann? The sound bites you are getting just pulling these claims out of your hat, perhaps to be corrected on page F26, lower right hand corner, with an "Oopsie! I made an honest and innocent mistake!" seem to be what you are after here.

"reading can be construed as trolling in some peoples minds" ?? Well I'll be damned! Now my moderators are psychic and they never even told me about it. A definite reprimand is in order, I will tell you that right now! :rotflmao: I will tell you point blank that NONE of my moderators have EVER given someone warning points for "trolling" simply from someone reading a thread. Matter of fact, there is no way possible for them to be able to do that. Say, have you been talking to Mario Stinso? :laugh:

And yet you have the nerve to claim that you aren't trolling here? Please, don't measure the intelligence of the people here based on your own personal yardstick. You are as transparent as a sheet of glass to many people reading this thread.
 
Nobody asked me or put me up to anything!!!! I saw the thread and joined in of my own accord. I made no accusations what so ever and never once said anything bad about you rich or the site. If you think I was put up to it or was in a plot of some kind you need to know your mistaken.
All I asked for was the chance to get wes back which you nicely gave to us, nothing more. I would seriously hope that you dont think my part in this whole thing was part of a conspiracy or anything. I made my friendship with WES clear and known up front. What he emailed to me I posted, nothing hidden or behind the scenes. This thread was my first and only contact with Roz to date.
My name keeps popping up and for the life of me i dont know why. If (you) Rich and Roz or Roz and Lucille or Dr. Owens and Roz are at odds then have at it, just please leave me out of it as my part in this whole saga ended when WES stated he had no real desire to return to fauna.
I am a active member of fauna and will continue to be. All my friends in the hobby (well almost all) are here and this is where we like to talk about reptiles and stuff. At times I might be a thorn in the side about things I think need discussed but my views and opinions are always plainly stated for all to see. If I didnt think Fauna was worth some of my money I would have left long ago. To me 2 1/2 hours of my pay (100.00) to keep my benefactor status is a drop in the bucket as the BOI has saved me atleast ten times that on one deal alone. Also you cant put a value on what the friendships and comradship that is shared here is worth.
Besides, at times this site is better then days of our lives and general hospital put together, and the great thing is that any of the over 24,000 members can be part of the cast if they decide to speak up and have thier voice heard, which in my opinion more members need to do at times.

P.S. The score as i see it. :dgrin:
1) Rich 4 - Roz 2
2) Roz 3 - Lucille 2
3) Dr. Owens (W) - Roz (L) KO'd In 1st round
 
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