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whos in line for a raptor

Ok.. here is what needs to be done to prove or disprove that aptors are a recessive trait. One of you that has a male, breed it to the most normal looking female you can find. Hold back a pair of the normal appearing "hets", breed them to each other. If you get about 25% aptors then it would prove that "aptorism" is a recessive trait. If you do not produce any aptors from the breeding, then aptorism is not recessive, just a selectively bred trait.
 
Well, I have my view that RAPTORS (and APTORS) are composed of several genetic traits, such as albino, red eyed, tangerine, some sort of carrot-tail, reverse striped, some sort of hypo, and a few others. So if you breed the RAPTORS (or APTORS) to a normal, and breed the hets, hell, you'll get a ton of stuff happening. It's a pure designer trait to say the least. Not to mention that "normal" traits might cover up other traits considered to be recessive, while the genes would be there it might take generations to uncover them. Guess we'll find out more in the next few years. Should prove interesting.


KelliH said:
Ok.. here is what needs to be done to prove or disprove that aptors are a recessive trait. One of you that has a male, breed it to the most normal looking female you can find. Hold back a pair of the normal appearing "hets", breed them to each other. If you get about 25% aptors then it would prove that "aptorism" is a recessive trait. If you do not produce any aptors from the breeding, then aptorism is not recessive, just a selectively bred trait.
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Also, we need to rememeber that all traits that are selectively bred may not be a simple recessive (like albinos), but they can still be recessive, or even polygenetic.

KelliH said:
If you do not produce any aptors from the breeding, then aptorism is not recessive, just a selectively bred trait.
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you got it Justyn !

pretty sure the R/Aptor s came from RT`s "Multi-het designer project "...it WILL be interesting to see what happens in 2 years with this line . im sure they will be almost solid-red w/ solid red- eyes ( like little -devils LOL) in just a few short years . Thanks Kelli , i have 1.0 and 0.2 "het" APTORs . So am i right IF it were selective bred or some genetic hypo , that is why i would see around %50 Aptor-babies ?? i will be outcrossing APTOR (and RAPTOR later) into to Red-Stripe line ,the most "normal" geckos i have and will keep a few of the "Aptor X Red-Stripe " ill call them for now just to see what happens .
 
whatchawannabet, the only "hets" can only come from ron himselfor one other person i wont mention...
and why cant i make "hets" if it is recessive trait? oh wait you can only get het aptors from an aptor x ron tremper "het" aptor or from two ron tremper "het" aptors bred together and that really only gives you possible hets, if it is infact a true recessive. so you have to buy at least one aptor and one of his hets at minimum or two aptors (great marketing there...even though it's rather misleading)
just like kelli said if it is a true recessive animal, breed it to a normal...take those babies and breed them together and see if you get APTORS my guess is not,,, might get some cool hi yellows maybe some tangs maybe a stripe or two or maybe a hypo but i doubt an aptor
 
robin s. said:
great marketing there...
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Actually, I don't think you can attribute that to Ron's brilliant marketing... I believe that would be mother natures games.
 
:)

youde get at least %50 Giant %25 albino , and %25 "patternless" IF that is in fact a recessive trait , OR who knows how much of what else ,say the hypo in it (or "super-tangerine" ) , and if there are any other traits that contribute they would NOT very easily show up (homozygous) on one single animal APTORism ? lol sounds like a cult -thing :spinny:
 
oh so not only is it an aptor they are giants to boot.... well crap that just threw the whole things off since even ron himself cant figure out what type of trait it is.... crap you could just have one endless bunches of line bred straits as far as i know...........

Actually, I don't think you can attribute that to Ron's brilliant marketing... I believe that would be mother natures games
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mother nature is the actual genetics of the animal... what it looks like, reproduction, and what not but by no mean is it....

why cant i make "hets" if it is recessive trait? oh wait you can only get het aptors from an aptor x ron tremper "het" aptor or from two ron tremper "het" aptors bred together and that really only gives you possible hets, if it is infact a true recessive. so you have to buy at least one aptor and one of his hets at minimum or two aptors
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and when i say ron tremper hets i mean only hets directly from himself and that one other person whom shall remain nameless .... that is not mother nature it is great marketing fueled by disception and greed.
 
well

ron sold these ALL as from the same "90g. giant" father (non-super Giant) so makes them "possible giants" . my male and one of the 2 "het APTORs" are growing VERY quickly in comparison to the other , and a few non-giants . in about 2 weeks i will record the weight of my first hatchlings from CH Jungle Giant X Giant breeding ( Both Poss. Super-Giants by their size alone ) the eggs are enormous . were 5 grams at time of laying and much longer than my other normal sized geckos eggs . i will have to take another pic to show how much they have swelled (picture: just found them in the box)
 
also

im breeding "Raptor" (name of my APTOR) to 3 tangerine striped albinos sold to me as just that . one is a "super-tang" , one is showing slight "super-tang" , and the third is just a striped -tang ....SO if the "Het APTORs " are not hets i would get APTOR-appearing geckos from breeding to them as well
 
Dan, just so you know.......... The eggs really have nothing to do with how big the gecko will get :look:
 
thanks

i know . But it can have something to do w/ the size of the hatchling gecko im pretty sure . (youde just have to see these eggs ONLY reason i say that )
 
i know . But it can have something to do w/ the size of the hatchling gecko im pretty sure .
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just the other day i had an egg two inches long and bigger around than a roll of quarters (ladies think "super")... you know what hatched out a lil bity thing... its brother is twice his size.
sometimes with overly large eggs you experience problems.... especially if the egg takes on too much fluid the embryo can actually drown inside the egg, its yolk sac and fluid. egg size does not mean anything you can have big geckos hatch out of normal eggs and tiny geckos hatch out of large eggs.
 
Hey Robin, you gotta see the size of my new Craptor, it's HUGE. I sure hope it can swim though ... went to get my camera and my wife went in the bathroom and I heard this noise and...
 
You're the best !!! It was more like a scream and a gurgle. Are you and the " Lord Of The Hyneeglo " doing Daytona this year ? Just got the word from Wayne Hill today that it's the weekend of Aug. 18th - 21st for the next 3 years. If so it would be great to catch your act in person.
 
i dont know if we are going or not. it all depends on allot of things. we will see i want to go again sooooooooooooo bad... plus i got a few people i would like to visit......
maybe if kelli goes this year i'll latch on to the bumper of her car as a stow away LOL
 
hehe you guys are funny :)

Thanks Robin , didnt know that . i still think these babies will be BIG though . the parents were 100 and 90 g. (female) @ 9 months old .that was almost 2 months ago ,havent even weighed them again (scale doesnt go that high) the male was getting thick then had another growth spurt and is looking long and thin once again , so by the time this guy fills out again MIGHT be pretty close in size to "Moose"
 
ya well let them come they aint never encountered anything like me LOL... i'll be skippin down the beach give it the big FU... oh and by the way why doesnt anyone appreciate good bathroom humor anymore? is it politically incorrect? i was raised 4 of the foulest males on the planet... me and my moms had to fend for ourselves... we had a rule when going on trips no farting in the car... one of my brothers farted one was sitting on each side of me.... my father... king crude pulled the car over... whooped whoevers azz did it . gets back in the car farts and locked all the windows, when i was in high school he would take me shopping... we would be at places like Macy's the gap, Gucci anywhere really and if i was standing next to someone we would walk over and asked me if i had found anything i liked , secretly letting out a pure evil SBD killer and walk away. then the person next to me would get the down wind and gag and look at me like i was some sorta freak. and i look over in the distance watching my father trying to keep a straight face... dude, im the only girl you would think he could be not as crude... but at least he never gave me dirty sanchez's or poo-poo finger mustaches
 
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