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Word of Caution!! Miko Ortiz of Wisconsin House Of Reptiles & Exotics(WHORE)

Ok so up to this point I still felt Miko was an honorable guy LOL boy was I wrong. SO all that went happened after the female colombians slugged I got on the phone with him and told him about some adult animals I had for sale I wanted to move out. I wanted to move one of the huge colombians a huge female burm(I was giving a male away with it for free), a 1.1pr of argintines that were gravid and a couple of smaller snakes. He said he had alreayd seen the ad for the argis and seriously wanted them. He asked what I wanted for all, Market value for all was over $2500 I told him for a quick sale and to make up for the female BP I would let him have them for $1900. He says great let me check a couple things and Ill get back to ya.

The next day we spoke he asked more about the argis($1000 of the value was for them being gravid) he asked how sure I was she was gravid, I told him sure enough that if she didnt drop something I would give him $500 back. I told him I couldnt gaurentee live offspring because we were talking about moving a gravid female but that whether it be live, stills or sluggs hed get soemthing. He said that worked for him. He told me he owned another store and would have the manager of that store come pick them up and pay for them at Lees next show. The other store was closer and he said he would have the time to drive. The next show wasnt for a week and half so we agreed to talk the begingin of the following week to finalize everything.

The following monday I called he told me to call him on wensday that he would talk to his manager by then and get everything in order. Wensday I called he said things had been crazy and he hadnt had a chance to call but he would speak to him the following morning because he had some other managment type issues he had a phone meeting set up with him to discuss and would bring all this up then, if I didnt hear from him by 5pm to call him. Well never heard from him so I called no answer then emailed no responce I tried a couple time one friday(day before the show) and the same deal. So our first set date came and went. The next week I tried no answer at his pet store(during normal buisness hours) and no responce to any of my emails. Finally on thursday he answers the phone and this is where it get entertaining.

He claimed his house had flooded, 4ft of water in the basement killed animals, ruined home made cages, fried electrical systems etc. He said the contractors came in to fix everything and told him it woulds be best of him and his family found somewhere else to stay for a week. He claims he decided to take his family on vaction(seeing a pattern here yet LOL) and had just gotten back. I honestly felt bad for him I told him "if you cant do this deal with everything going on I understand, Ill relist the animals and we will figure something out for the credit once everything gets back to normal on your end" He says and I quote "no the insurance paid for everything with the house its not a finical issue, we have some epmty cages the animals can be housed in at the other store and I can leave them there till I can move them here" I asked him if he was sure and he said yes he still wanted to go through with it. Lets talk next tuesday and we will figure everything out then.

The following tuesday I called and couldnt get him wensday I got him on the phone and he said he spoke to his manager about it but wasnt sure what time hed be able to get there to pick them up. He had arranged for them to be picked up and would finalize the time and call me the following day(thursday) to let me know a time. That was the last I ever heard of Miko for close to 9 months(till Feb of this year). I called and emailed 12-20 times and didnt get a responce. At that point I wrote him off. I had held several large animals for over 6wks only to be blown off by him. This guy is a dead beat and nothing more. There is no reason in this world he couldnt have sent something stating he didnt want them or couldnt do the deal. What pisses me off the most is I felt sorry for him(what I now beileive is a lie) because of the flood and asked if he wanted out and he said he still wanted the animals. If he would have taken the out right there Id probally be defending him in this thread. Instead he choose to screw me around.

Now those of you trying to get him to pony up some answer keep tryin but hell keep ignoring them when I post all our emails from this year youll see he does everything he can to dance around.

Oh ya I have the BP here for him which youll see once I post the emails, I shouldve told him to go screw himself but I wotn bring myself to his level so hell get his female BP I really dont care if he likes it or not. Im sure since I posted in here he make up some kind of bullsh!t to cry about.

Oh I thiought this was funny I got this from him on 4-4-2005
First I Havent been able to get online for a while, 1st computer problems then our damn house had a direct hit by freaking lightning.
But somehow his ads on ksnake get getting posted. Did anyone else take notice to how the word "whore dissapeared from all his ads after it was mentioned within this thread when he posted yesterday he said something about just finding out about the thread today LOL

this is a line from an email I sent him a few days ago LOL
If you decide you want to pop up in June or next year for that matter and try to feed me some kind of "I was on vacation so I never got your emails" crap I wont be buying. Thats seem to be more you M.O. Instead of a ligit excuse when you decide to blow someone off. I gotta say I found that thread on fauna rather humorous 80k for rodent cages those wouldnt be the ones for sale on kingsnake by chance would they? $900 to your dentist?
I guess that kind of blows his excuse for yesterday huh? LOL
 
One more loser in the industry ripping people off and basically laughing at them. Miko, you get the tool of the month award.
 
I dont have time right now to put all the emails up in order so for now Ill just copy and paste a few quotes. Well call it
Words Of Wisdom From Miko


Feb 6th first he wants to play stupid with me
Yeah I would check your notes because your wrong. Also you never agreed
to sell me those animals due to you wanted to get money out of them
rather than trade.
April 4th, then his failing memory but he does remeber one time LOL
As I said that was so long ago I dont remember.I do remember saying that I was going to meet you on one occasion and things must've not been able to work out
That sounds like someone else who used to draw alot of attention on here "ohhhh my memory" LOL

Feb 6th his memory is working good in the below quote LOL
Also remember that animal died a few days later.
Oh crap was that the word, servey saaaaayyys.............remeber LOL

Feb 6th God I love this one LMAO!!!!
this is business and in business your word is
your word
.
Shame someone forgot to teach him that LOL

And below I get lectured about buisness ethics LOL
If someone bought an animal at my store that died and I told
them I would replace it, whether it was 1 week or 9 months that animal
still needs to be replaced. So either its replace or our money is
refunded, plain and simple business ethics.
YA but he wont pay for his cages LOL
Oh and I got this one yesterday
80K bill ?? What do you mean.
I dont know about you but if I had 80k bills loaming around I sure wouldnt have to ask someone else what they were.

I dont know I thought it was all kind of funny LOL they are actual quotes LOL
 
Ya know, the funny thing is that the only reason I got involved in this thread is because Miko backed out of a deal with me last year.

If my memory serves me correct it was a pastel ball I had posted here on Fauna. His words were " its a done deal, I will call back to make delivery arrangements". Needless to say I have not heard a thing from him since.

Incase some are wondering, NO, I don't have any saved emails as this was mostly squared away over the phone..
 
All but one of my instances are traffic Related
I wonder if the other is for theift????

so until the insurance pays I'm not plain and simple.
Now back home from what I understand there a law called theift by deception. When you make a deal with someone to purchase a product and dont make good and dont intead to pay as he said
I'm not plain and simple
youve ripped someone off by using deceptive practices, thats my understanding of it, I could be wrong. Now I dont know if WI or wherever the cage guy is from has one of these laws but if so Id be using it. Which would make any cages sold stolen if my understanding of all this is correct hes putting his costumers under serious liability because receiveing stolen property whether you know its stolen or not is a crime. like I said I dont know if thats exactly how the law works but thats my understanding of it.
 
clarification and update

Clarification: The two Allentown ventilated mouse racks to which Miko refers ($25,000 apiece) were designated FOB San Diego per our contract. They were delivered shrink wrapped and in perfect condition to the Fedex terminal specified by Miko's shipping agent. The shipper then improperly loaded the racks, failed to secure them adequately and stacked other equipiment around them which consequently damaged them en route. Miko currently has a claim with Fedex for $50,000 for the damage to these units. This has nothing to do, however, with payment to us. We completely fulfilled the terms of the contract to the letter. Miko's issue with Fedex is separate, they are not related, so there is no legal or otherwise justifiable cause for any delays in payment (Interstate shipping law is quite clear on this matter).

In addition, I contacted the claims agent handling the case for Fedex on 3 separate occasions over the past 2 months. She indicated the Miko had made no further efforts to resolve the claim despite numerous attempts on her part to reach him for pictures and other essential information needed for resolution of the matter. Maybe they were never damaged at all? There is no way to tell since Miko has not produced any pictures or other documents to substantiate his claims and excuses for failure to pay. After speaking to Miko a month ago I forwarded him copies of all my correspondence and contact information with Fedex for him to follow up. Nothing happened.

Update: To his credit, this morning Miko finally responded to a Demand For Payment letter and returned calls to my attorney and made promises to: 1) immediately pursue action with Fedex and send copies of his correspondence. 2) reply affirmatively in writing that he does indeed intend to immediately pay us, and 3) within the next 24 hours make a substantial or complete payment on the monies he owes us.

I want to thank everyone for their support thus far on this issue and for those of you who have contacted me with your own stories and experiences regarding Miko and Wisconsin House of Reptiles and Exotics. It has been invaluable in building our case with the California Attorney General's office.

Updates to follow soon. We have our fingers crossed.

Ian
 
igardner said:
Update: To his credit, this morning Miko finally responded to a Demand For Payment letter and returned calls to my attorney and made promises to: 1) immediately pursue action with Fedex and send copies of his correspondence. 2) reply affirmatively in writing that he does indeed intend to immediately pay us, and 3) within the next 24 hours make a substantial or complete payment on the monies he owes us.
Ian,

At least you got his attention. Of course I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for him to follow through.

Good luck and please post all of the follow up here.
 
igardner said:
To his credit
...

Ian,
Sorry about your problems but how long has it been since the promised payment and Miko contacting you? I would say that Miko attempting to take care of it is more of an issue with him staying out of prison than trying to do the right thing. As we have seen over and over and over and... well, you all get the point is this is a pattern of behavior and not one of a competent professional business person. We have asked you for your responses on those two issues?????? :rolleyes:

"Past behavior determines future misconduct." Are we seeing a pattern here??? If there is one person, it may be a fluke. Two... the smoke is starting to rise. Three... I think I see a fire. Four... I definately see a fire. Five... Runnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!

Your word is speaking for you Miko. You have dug yourself into a very deep hole Miko. How about digging yourself out? Your one (maybe two?) response was contradicted and Jim asked you for clarification. The other gentleman pointed out (very well) that in all probability you had seen this complaint prior to when YOU said you saw it. I think your true colors are finally exposed regardless (which is probably the reason you are not even attempting to respond to the numerous requests and additional complaints against you. IT WOULD BE IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES BEFORE YOU GET ANY MORE COMPLAINTS REGARDING YOUR BUSINESS PRACTICES.

Brian
 
Ian,
Sorry about your problems but how long has it been since the promised payment and Miko contacting you? I would say that Miko attempting to take care of it is more of an issue with him staying out of prison than trying to do the right thing. As we have seen over and over and over and... well, you all get the point is this is a pattern of behavior and not one of a competent professional business person. We have asked you for your responses on those two issues??????
Take it easy he says he has lawyers and the attorney generals office involved I am sure that he is only saying what he is allowed. So please dont get an attitude with Ian because youve asked him for reponses, legally he may not(probally cant) be able to give them at this point. So just ask and I am sure that when Ian can he will respond. YOu gotta remeber that when he has lawyers and legal attorities involved he is playing by a differant set of rules then the rest. I dont know if that is what is going on but that kind of stuff does happen, so dont get upset with Ian. Getting taken for 80k I am sure he would love nothing more then to chime in like the rest of us.

I just received an email from someone concering their dealing with Miko, Im going to encourage them to post here and if I have to pay the fees for them myself I will but oh man this one takes the cake. 80k is bad, this one sure dont involve that much money but what it does involve IMO is by far worse.

Now who else has received emails from outside people concering their dealings with Miko? if they all want to post but dont have the money lets contribute so we can get them involved.
 
I would say that usually law enforcement could care less about internet reptile rip-offs. But, since this potentially involves a $78,500.00 loss of monies, I would be willing to bet that Federal Law Enforcement would be interested in pursuing this as a criminal offense.
 
lizfortune said:
We have asked you for your responses on those two issues??????
Jason,

I believe that Brian's question was directed at Miko, not Ian.
 
Jason,
I was referring to Miko. Sorry, I have too many things going on and it is hard trying to stay up on this. I was in a hurry and didn't proof-read it (it should been separated into another paragraph). You were very tactful though the way you asked me to relax. :)

Brian

PS Thanks Jim for clarifying. :)
 
I was referring to Miko. Sorry, I have too many things going on and it is hard trying to stay up on this.
Sorry about that it kind of looked like it was directed at Ian since it was in the one paragraph..... but hey have at it LOL who was the email from that got deleted email me their name if you would? thanks
 
Miko
A couple questions for you, if you decide to respond a simple yes or no will do.

Are you currently being investigated for money Laundering?

Are you currently being investigated by Wisc dept of reg & lic and
also the Dept of Financial institutions?

Are you 6yrs deliquent concerning your non profit biz?

Are you Taking money from your whore buisness and laundering it through your non profit service dog buinsness?

Did you or your wife or someone from your buisness call the hospital, to reach the family, of a man who was dieing from musculary disstrify(spelling?) while they stood by his bed in the hospital to demand they return a service dog the dieing man purchased or aquired from your non profit dog buisness?

did you, your wife or anyone associated with your non profit dog buisness file some kind of complaint and have the dog confiscated from this mans family before he was laid to rest?

Just a couple of questions for you that I would like some clarifaction, Like I said yes or no will work for me
 
Classic Dum's said:
Miko
A couple questions for you, if you decide to respond a simple yes or no will do.

Are you currently being investigated for money Laundering?

Are you currently being investigated by Wisc dept of reg & lic and
also the Dept of Financial institutions?

Are you 6yrs deliquent concerning your non profit biz?

Are you Taking money from your whore buisness and laundering it through your non profit service dog buinsness?

Did you or your wife or someone from your buisness call the hospital, to reach the family, of a man who was dieing from musculary disstrify(spelling?) while they stood by his bed in the hospital to demand they return a service dog the dieing man purchased or aquired from your non profit dog buisness?

did you, your wife or anyone associated with your non profit dog buisness file some kind of complaint and have the dog confiscated from this mans family before he was laid to rest?

Just a couple of questions for you that I would like some clarifaction, Like I said yes or no will work for me
Jason,

You seem to have come across some information. The problem is that while you appear nominally to be asking questions, you are really making allegations. And in fairness to Miko, you should tell him and everyone what you actually know, what you believe, and what was the source of this information.

Those are pretty serious allegations at that. Please elaborate.

Miko, you may want to start answering the questions. We know you are reading this thread.
 
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