Info Yaz Mansour and the dead Boa

[Chrisw]

I do have a question though. If my memory serves me correctly... the prelim report stated mucus in a couple locations in the animal and then the possiblesex change.... why was it a partial refund? Why not the full amount? Its obvious the OP didnt get what he paid for.

The refund amount was agreed on by both parties, not something of concern.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Im glad that both parties agreed... but it is of concern.

Thru out this whole thread I see Yaz agreeing to pay XXX amount then never paying... and everytime a new deal is agreed to that amount gets lower.

I agree that it is a crappy situation all the way around... for both the seller and buyer... but in this case... should the buyer really have to settle?

First Yaz says... "I wouldnt get a necropsy (sp?)".... then he states that he wont do a refund without the necropsy report. In alot of the posts it seems like he is trying to find anyway to make it the buyers fault.

I understand wanting proof of illness... I really do. I would do the same thing IF a necropsy was being done. But by REQUIRING a copy of the report BEFORE the refund is issued, then he (Yaz) should have to cover half if not all of the fees associated with that report.

With what I am seeing... he didn't do the refund until AFTER the prelim report was shown... therefore he was requiring a report BEFORE the refund was issued.

also let me say... I'm not out for Yaz... I fully understand his position... but something just seems off.

 

[brd7666]

Well, I was going to stay out of this thread, but as of now, here is the deal.

Regardless of what has been said, regardless of what has been done, regardless of whatever the vet report says, regardless of the amount of money returned, and regardless of whatever else I am leaving out.

The bottom line is this, THIS CASE IS CLOSED.

If the buyer is happy with the amount refunded then it's done and over. Why are people carrying on when it's a done deal? Everything at this point in irrelevent and means nothing in terms of a refund. Even the vet report, it's of no use at this point. The OP wanted a refund and that is what he got, so why carry on? All commenting at this point is waisting server space.

He said, she said, I thought, you thought, I did, you did, guess what, It's over, let it go.

Everyone else had their 2 cents and this is mine.

 

[Yaz23]

Well, I was planning on giving David a partial refund before the boa even died because he called me Thursday afternoon telling me the boa was sick. I told him to call me when he's done with the vet Friday so I can compensate him for the situation. But the call I received Friday was that the snake was dead. So from then on, I was just extremely shocked and questionable because I had no idea what was going on and how that happened. Its one thing if the boa gets sick, I can understand that, so I didnt have a problem with shooting some money over to fix that problem but when I was told he was dead it just became a whole different situation to me.

David and I chatted and we came to a resolution and it was settled. We'll just wait to see what the final report says about everything.

Anyways, someone asked for pics of the gravid female he bred to. Here she is: (in a couple shots I put my watch next to her so you can see how thick she is). I apologize that the pics arent that great, I took them with my cell, my wife has the digital camera and shes in Spain right now so I obviously cant use it lol.

 

[Yaz23]

By the way, shes thick all over, shes normally not nearly that big around so its not just her mid portion. Its her mid portion all the way down to her tail. From what I can see shes pretty damn gravid.

 

[Yaz23]

THANK YOU Brian! The deal is done and I will conclude it with pics of the gravid female if anyone thought I was lying for some reason. Check the Boa discussion section randomly because thats where I'll be posting pics once she drops.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

How is the "amount" relevant Kevin? Really, I don't get it. I understand things are unanswered, and I don't contest people wanting those questions answered, myself included, I would love to see a final report. But the "amount" of the refund both parties agreed upon means nothing.

You think it should've been a full refund, so do many others, including myself. But DAVID, thought otherwise, and that is his prerogative to do so.

So it doesn't matter at all "how much", except to satisfy peoples need to know.

Im glad that both parties agreed... but it is of concern.

Thru out this whole thread I see Yaz agreeing to pay XXX amount then never paying... and everytime a new deal is agreed to that amount gets lower.

I agree that it is a crappy situation all the way around... for both the seller and buyer... but in this case... should the buyer really have to settle?

First Yaz says... "I wouldnt get a necropsy (sp?)".... then he states that he wont do a refund without the necropsy report. In alot of the posts it seems like he is trying to find anyway to make it the buyers fault.

I understand wanting proof of illness... I really do. I would do the same thing IF a necropsy was being done. But by REQUIRING a copy of the report BEFORE the refund is issued, then he (Yaz) should have to cover half if not all of the fees associated with that report.

With what I am seeing... he didn't do the refund until AFTER the prelim report was shown... therefore he was requiring a report BEFORE the refund was issued.

also let me say... I'm not out for Yaz... I fully understand his position... but something just seems off.

 

[lanceheads]

Well, I was planning on giving David a partial refund before the boa even died because he called me Thursday afternoon telling me the boa was sick. I told him to call me when he's done with the vet Friday so I can compensate him for the situation. But the call I received Friday was that the snake was dead. So from then on, I was just extremely shocked and questionable because I had no idea what was going on and how that happened. Its one thing if the boa gets sick, I can understand that, so I didnt have a problem with shooting some money over to fix that problem but when I was told he was dead it just became a whole different situation to me.

David and I chatted and we came to a resolution and it was settled. We'll just wait to see what the final report says about everything.
Anyways, someone asked for pics of the gravid female he bred to. Here she is: (in a couple shots I put my watch next to her so you can see how thick she is). I apologize that the pics arent that great, I took them with my cell, my wife has the digital camera and shes in Spain right now so I obviously cant use it lol.

So, the amount of the refund may change on the final report?
Is that what your saying? If not, why even state that?

Randal Berry

 

[Southern Wolf]

How is the "amount" relevant Kevin? Really, I don't get it. I understand things are unanswered, and I don't contest people wanting those questions answered, myself included, I would love to see a final report. But the "amount" of the refund both parties agreed upon means nothing.

You think it should've been a full refund, so do many others, including myself. But DAVID, thought otherwise, and that is his prerogative to do so.

So it doesn't matter at all "how much", except to satisfy peoples need to know.

Its relevant because Yaz has tried to drop the refund price on multiple occasions.... even to the point of saying that he only wanted to refund his profit amount. Would you really want to do business with him in the future knowing he might try the same with you?

The fact that he was REQUIRING a report BEFORE a refund was issued... how bout... did he compensate the buyer for part of the costs since he was requiring that report. Yes... I know the buyer decided to get the lab work done... but Yaz wouldn't issue the refund without it.

 

[lanceheads]

Its relevant because Yaz has tried to drop the refund price on multiple occasions.... even to the point of saying that he only wanted to refund his profit amount. Would you really want to do business with him in the future knowing he might try the same with you?

The fact that he was REQUIRING a report BEFORE a refund was issued... how bout... did he compensate the buyer for part of the costs since he was requiring that report. Yes... I know the buyer decided to get the lab work done... but Yaz wouldn't issue the refund without it.

BINGO.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

Yep and its right here for all to see and judge for themselves.

Success! Without even knowing the final amout.

 

[Magic Merlin]

Yaz, thanks for posting the pics......she's a little porker......please post pics and details of the birth. Thanks

 

[Yaz23]

No problem Jason. I'll post pics when she has the clutch (in the Boa discussion forum).

You know what, I was planning on responding to Kevin and Randal's posts but Im not going to waste time on your useless replies. You keep digging and twisting words its getting rediculous. Find a life and go live it.

 

[Yaz23]

Prime example: When I said "We'll just wait to see what the final report says about everything" I was talking about so we can see what actually went on with the boa not to change the refund. You seriously think too hard or apparently cant comprehend basic english.

 

[DaveyFig]

Prime example: When I said "We'll just wait to see what the final report says about everything" I was talking about so we can see what actually went on with the boa not to change the refund. You seriously think too hard or apparently cant comprehend basic english.

If the final report confirms what the preliminary report suggests, and that snake is a female and it was sick when you sent it, then perhaps you should start thinking harder about changing that refund. I know, it is a lot of ifs and ands, but if you misrepresented that snake (unknowingly sending out a male) and it was sick (even if you didn't know it) most people reading this are going to think long and hard before putting any faith in you if all you give is a partial refund like Chris said. This is a big deal.

 

[Yaz23]

Dave, you ask me that, I will ask you this. What if the final report says its a female and my female here has a bunch of normal babies then what? What if that boa died from something that wasnt prior to shipping? I ask you those questions.

 

[DaveyFig]

Dave, you ask me that, I will ask you this. What if the final report says its a female and my female here has a bunch of normal babies then what? What if that boa died from something that wasnt prior to shipping? I ask you those questions.

Your snake having babies wont change the sex of the snake.If it is male, it always was. If it is female, same thing. If the snake died of something that wasn't prior to shipping then you will wish you had waited for that report like you said you were going to.
If it died because of something Chris did, and was sexed wrong , then that opens up a whole new can of worms. The report may show that he killed it, but he also didn't get what he paid for.
I didn't ask any questions in my last post, just offered advice if the findings conclude that it was the wrong sex and sick.
As someone who will be buying snakes in the near future, I will ignore ads that are placed by people who makes it difficult to resolve issues when they were at fault. I am not saying that you are at fault. However, if the report says you are and you leave it at a partial refund, I and others will look to other seller.

 

[Yaz23]

Dave, when you said "Your snake having babies wont change the sex of the snake.If it is male, it always was. If it is female, same thing."

Well if my female here as babies how is it possible for that final report to state female? If it does state female, then the necropsy would be wrong? Healthy babies that were produced from impregnating herself? My boa should be on tv if thats the case. I know you mentioned something about boas impregnating themselves and then having all slugs or all females that are identical to the mom, but what if their not identical? What if their all healthy babies that look like their DAD? Then what? Necropsy was wrong as odd as that is?

 

[DaveyFig]

Yaz, has the female that is gravid had a litter?
Have you heard of sperm retention?
Also, parthenogenesis might very well get you on the news as you suggest, but it isn't unheard of.
I still don't think you will be having a litter of boas, most likely slugs.
That female doesn't look gravid to me. For a snake that is within a month of having babies, you would expect swelling that would force those wrinkles out, and possibly scale separation.

 

[Yaz23]

The female has had litters (that I have been told about), but that was over 2 years ago. Also, my albino was about 1/2 the thickness of this columbian, so you probably would have never thought she was gravid in your life. She did have lots of slugs but still had 6 babies but honestly I kept going back and fourth between if she was gravid or not and sure enough, she was. I dont have a doubt in my mind that the columbian isnt gravid. Shes twice as big as she normally is and her sides of her body are puffed out like theres 40 babies in their or something. I dont know when she will be dropping her clutch. I assume its within a month. She wasnt like the albino with her post ovulation shed so I'm actually unsure whats going on with her. I just know she should be dropping within a month.