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YOU GOTTA CHECK THIS OUT on Kingsnake!

Stardust, I would like you to read the rest of the thread before posting. I stated that I would be trying to bring life to the Agamid/Tegu forum, and that I would be checking it at least every other day to answer questions or make posts.
 
Also, just for the record, Adam, it says specifically in kingsnake TOS that if you lose your account for TOS violations, you FORFEIT your $54. If Jeff said he would give you a refund, then by all rights he should, however, he is protected by his TOS from giving you one.

Yeah okay, and if it said he could come shoot me if his TOS said it would that be okay too?

If he looks blindly past some people and their violations of tos but targets the people he has issues with he's out of line.

Also, you're all assuming I was kicked off for violating tos! I'm sure you've seen when you make any post in the forum that is even a little out of line they're quick to tell you the tos has been violated and you're going to loose your account. That wasn't the case with me. Here is Jeff's quote again.

Your account has been terminated.

Your refund for the balance of your account services
is enroute via whatever methodology you paid us with.

This to me sounds like somebody who deleted my account to shut me up. Keep me from posting the information I was and to not have to account for his actions.

Please note, there is NO mention of violating tos and to back up the fact that it wasn't a violation I was offered a refund.

No, make no mistake about it, Jeff deleted my account to shut me up. Not because I violated his tos.

Still, no refund, VERY CROOKED from my point of view!

Adam Block
 
Rob, I think you did miss something.... "that shows he is intentionally spreading falsities"

I said
As far as your questions go, blah blah blah, but then rereading your post and the "been rumors for years", "somewhere but I have no proof" I figured this was another ploy on your part to start more rumor and accusations.
Then answered his question directed at me, which I could only see was an attempt to think he was smoking out a AOL or KS moderator or in bed with them, simple cause I do not agree with his techniques. Had I not answered them, I can certainly imagine him taking the same steps toward me of "rumors, but no proof" I think the other responses following his, say that others got that impression too.....sorry I see those as him alluding to accusations and rumors begining to form if not answered, not taking shots at him.

Perhaps I should not have pointed out his own words to describe me in his post or the words he always uses toward himself..... and that psychology courses would help....most people recognize what that is and it was a shot at him..... I apologise for that
 
Uffern,
I did read your post and am happy you are going to do that, I will look there periodically because I find interest in all reptiles.
I was talking about the Iguana discussion board here at fauna, I had posted there approx. week ago (I did say approx. lol) and so did Seamus after I did. That is what I was referring to.

Rozann Lamont
 
Cheri - You say we need to do better on these forums by getting rid of negativity, but you perpetuate this thing between you and Seamus. Forget it, we have the point. Seamus can come across harshly and sometimes rudely, but that is not to say that all he says is without merit. I don't always agree with him either - though I do on the Melissa Kaplan issue. As to why he, or any of us, may wonder about your alliances, your own post is what made you seem you knew about the whats and whys of KS moderators. Even I wondered if you are either a moderator over there or are mediating for one of them. You seem in your post to have much insight for a casual bystander.

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Regarding KS: any way you cut it, what they are doing is wrong. Jeff and his moderators are blocking people and information because it isn't what they agree with or because of some real or imagined slight. The only thing keeping KS on top is that people keep going there, even when they don't like the way the site is run or the editing of good information for biased reasons. All any of us have to do is pick another site to use as our portal. It could be Fauna, or any other of a dozen or more sites that have cropped up in the last year. What makes the site is the people, and we can always change the site we use. In saying that, even with the ocsasional heated 'discussions' on this site, it is still one of the best out there. If anyone that surfs the net is thin-skinned, they aren't going to last at any site very long. Any site is what you make it, and the Webslave has made a damn good site here. We're a family of sorts, just a bit disfunctional (like many real world families), everyone needs to take it with a grain of salt.
 
Go to sleep for fourteen hours and look what I come back to...

I clearly stated that the rumors were rumor and further stated which ones I personally gave credence to but could not prove. The thread I wrote was in response to a number of demands for bad care information that Kaplan had spread and requests for why anyone would be distrustful. The inclusion of the long standing rumors was merely further evidence as to why her public opinion isn't very high for anyone who knows what they're doing...

The questions were, as other have pointed out, innocent questions. Cheri seemed to be stating her opinions on why the thread was left up for a day before being deleted as being factual, which would imply that she had some direct information on the subject and my questions would have brought out the most likely manners in which she could gain this factual information. They were merely questions to determine if the information Cheri had given as fact were verified truth.

Cheri also has stated on the KS boards that she believes I am GMoney (The instigator of the thread on that board), something I do take insult at. I may be a bit harsh at times but it comes from honesty and a low tolerance for certain mannerisms I perceive as being ignorant (A significant nuance between ignorant and naive is the willingness to learn) but never would I write as the instigator of this KS thread did. I have some pride. Anyone unable to distinguish between the way I write (long winded) and what that individual wrote, or able to ignore it in order to make ridiculous accusations about my identity either really isn't too smart or is initiating personal insult and slight.

Do I go off about Kaplan a lot?

Sure I do, it's an issue I obviously feel strongly about. She's an animal rights activist who wants the pet industry destroyed (Probably zoos, hunting, medical testing and meat consumption right after) and furthers her own goals by giving out "care information" that's just plain wrong. I see her as one of the biggest threats to herpetoculture existent today. Sure PETA and the like have larger budgets but Lawmakers generally know what they're about... Kaplan looks innocent at first, she just wants to help your animals... She furthers this outward deceptive appearance by maintaining the "Largest care website", writing a book sold in pet stores to naive consumers, being more active in the California State government than those who should be combating her and moderating for message boards when the owner is dumb enough to buy all the above nonsense.

She has stated in her single post on this board that she wants the pet trade banned.

She has written on her website that she accepts corrections, even welcomes them... She has been given hundreds of corrections, the same ones over and over for years but refuses to change them.

She has made comments that are directly damaging to some of the largest companies and reputable individuals in the industry, many of whom directly support Kingsnake financially. Jeff can toss out that $54 from Adam, but where will he be when Prehistoric Pets, Pro Exotics, VPI and Bob Clark get sick of one of his own moderators blasting his advertisers?

The public opinion of her, in the eyes of those who don't know better, is positive. They see her information as being infallible because she wrote a Dummies book (At least TFH used to pretend to have someone competent check them before editing), since I see the industry opening up and changing the way it interacts with that first time pet owner, I see the public support of a very negative character as being damaging and actively speak out about it, even if it's just when someone posts a link to her website.

While most of the examples of her inaccurate "care" information can certainly be found in species other than the green iguana, the iguana pages are loaded with them too, they simply take longer to explain because she has hidden them better. If anyone desires a more complete rundown of a few of those, I'd be happy to do so in the iguana discussion forum on this website but, as I said, it takes longer to explain (Although nowhere near as long with the average fauna participant as it would elsewhere).

The comment about the ignorance of the average iguana owner, I stand by. It has been my personal experience that the average green iguana owner knows nothing whatsoever about herps and has this innate refusal to learn. Not all of them by any means, but the majority. Most of this is due to the fact that they get the garbage information from books sold in pet stores and then refuse to listen to arguments against it even when these arguments are strongly evidenced and their books obviously aren't working. Since the iguana care section of this website is new, it will be easier to combat and avoid some of those seriously wrong impressions people make before they get started, thus avoiding the headaches that usually come when dealing with iguana owners who somehow feel biological facts don't apply to their animals.
 
I agree many iguana keepers are ignorant, but it is not always their fault. Look at the places that sell them. You can buy iguanas at swap meets and fish stores. The people selling them are more ignorant then the owners. Many people trust the info they recieve from the seller. If the seller is giving false info they are also responsible for the ignorance. Don't get me wrong it is your job to research any thing before you buy it, but many people don't.

I don't want to get back on my situation with kingsnake. I know I didn't keep track of my expiration, but everyone else recieves a notice. Instead of cancelling me all he had to do was say hey did you want to renew your account. If he didn't have time or whatever, it wasn't that big of a deal. It just pissed me off a little. I just don't think a complaint is a reason to not be allowed to renew my account. Thanks.

Tony Alles
www.reptileguru.com
 
Cheri also has stated on the KS boards that she believes I am GMoney
Thats an outright lie and it seems no matter how often I say it, you continue to use it as your launching pad.

Speaking of verified truth, can we see yours on this?

Dianne: "Forget it, we have the point" Is that instuctions to me to shut up and not deny what Seamus picks to make up about me?
 
Please consider the argument between CheriS and Seamus Haley at an end in this thread. It has gone on long enough that things are just being repeated. I would prefer to allow this thread to remain open in case anything new and relevant to the topic needs to be presented from someone, but I will lock this if the argument continues here.

In all fairness, Cheri asked Seamus for proof of a statement, so I will allow that to be posted in a reply, if possible. But please consider that as the ending point for this argument.

Thanks.
 
In all fairness, Cheri asked Seamus for proof of a statement, so I will allow that to be posted in a reply, if possible. But please consider that as the ending point for this argument.

The incriminating post that would have allowed me to provide proof, along with several others on the KS boards have been deleted.

Since it seems to be a matter of contention and my proof has conveniently dissapeared, I'll publicly withdraw the statements and apologize to Cheri.

My private thoughts and knowledge are an entirely seperate matter however.
 
OK, this thread has been pretty long & repetitive, but I do have one question for CheriS. I hope my memory is still good, I don't remember which post I read it in, but I believe you said something along the lines of :
Mk didn't delete the thread because she never saw it.

I know that is not an exact quote, but I think I got the gist of it down. My question is, how can you make a statement like that & not expect people to think you have a private source of information? In my opinion you would have to either know Ms. Kaplan, someone at Kingsnake, or be omnipotent to be able to make that statement.

Again, I don't remember exactly which post this was in & this is not an exact quote, if I am experiencing another brain fart then I apologize in advance.

Tim Retzlaff
 
My avenues must be something others don't think about. If there is a problem or something I disagree with they are doing I email the person and voice that opinion, they usually respond.
 
Two quick points. First, I didn't ask where you got your info, I asked "how can you make a statement like that & not expect people to think you have a private source of information?" Second, I find it extremely hard to believe that you would notice a disturbing thread(8th/9th?), go on a fact finding mission, receive an answer & be able to post here on the 11th.
Just my opinion.
Tim Retzlaff
 
I answered "how", not everyone thinks conspiracy, "in bed" or "knowing someone" there are many ways...... an email in this case. And I know for a fact that some others here know this too, from the same avenue.

What facting finding mission? I saw the thread on KS minutes after it started, emailed and got a response. The next day responded to that email, and got a response back again. Not a fact finding mission, AFTER this thread started here. It had nothing to do with the thread here, I don't think I had even read the thread here at that point.

I posted on here when I saw several statments that were "thoughts" that were not true according to those emails. Then people started discussing how to get others to use this site since KS is doing the things they are. What I saw going on in this thread was the main reason I have been told by a lot of people as to why they do not use this site (which I happen to like) and if you read back through the thread, there are several others that say the same thing. The reptile industry is a small one online, if we want others to come here, and use it, isolating many from a place that has the users, is not the way to go about it.
 
There are people who will critcize on every site. The person who started the thread on Kingsnake was attacked instantly. He was called a troll and attacked about his spelling. Why? Because he doesn't like MK. That doesn't sound very welcoming. Maybe that is why he never replied again. Who knows, he may have defended himself if he wasn't attacked that way. Even Seamus was attacked when he made the list of errors on her website. But there are also good people on each site. There has been several of us including you (CheriS) that have posted in the forums here. Not many people are giving us the chance. Several of us have been more than welcoming, all we need now is the people. I used to post all the time in the monitor forum on kingsnake. But it always gets personal. If you post against what everyone else thinks, you get attacked. I see it get personal here on the BOI, but not in the forums. There has actually been some good topics in the monitor forum here. The BOI has very touchy subjects, the point of it is for criticism. People hate criticism. Thanks for reading.

Tony Alles
www.reptileguru.com
 
Thats where I think the differences comes in, it was not that the person posted, it was HOW it was posted. Under a post saying "disappointed" the same things have been brought out and discussed on there, and not deleted. His post was deleted and people objected to him not because of spelling, ( I do agree that some jumped on that) but because it was a troll post.

Maybe some reading here are not aware of the routine on AOL boards regrading this same subject or how often that is played out or the techniques! Then to see the same thing showing up on KS with an AOL poster, then BOI pastes in it? IMO that was sad and only had one intention.... I never responded to that post, I felt it was inappropriate to begin with and posting to it validiate it.

I did respond to the "disappointed one" and the "*reminder" which still remain there, even commending some regulars from here that posted negative info, because of the way they presented it in the flow of the thread, as did several others.

Yes, there are some excellent post on the forums here, informative and interesting, there is one there now that is by a guy in Australia, Svee, about beardies and other animals in the wild that is one of the best I have seen on any boards, another disucssion on possiblities of mealworms being a source of problems, and a few more that are really good, thanks for pointing that out here, that is what brings people in and makes them feel welcome and want to be a part of something.
 
One other thing..... we may not be able to post links from FC to KS, but that does not stop us from emailing our friends or others in PM's and giving them the URL's of those post ;)
 
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