Bad Guy Yvonne Carpenter - Boas By Satyra

[Drew Zaun]

I wouldn't say he's necessarily bashing anyone. Just stating an opinion that I think a very large number of people that aren't living off of government money when it isn't an absolute last resort(as it's meant to be) would hold.

Not only that, but if some of my tax burden were lifted, I would have more cash (that I work for) to spend on things I like too.

I do not mind helping people, but only those that actually need it. Just because you "qualify", that is not the same thing as entitlement.

 

[amercnwmn]

I....have read and re-read some of these things and I'm greatly disturbed about several things:

Those were also your rabbits, not only mine, in the livingroom, which you never fed, watered, or cleaned. They all eventually were moved to the garage once a few more were acquired. After removing the rabbits from the garage, Ryan told us not to worry about that mess - he wanted to try out his power washer he was about to buy.
I also recall you letting the rabbits run around the house for extended periods of time, while you let Koda chase them around and grab with his mouth

When Koda attacked my husband twice in one day and destroyed his 'PT' pants, we did not ask you to replace them, things happen - and we move on. We also didn't say anything when you offered up a barely weaned finch to kaylee, which she fatally injured.

And I didn't "offer" a finch to the cat... The bird flew around, like several birds had done before and she saw it and grabbed it before Corey or I could

3 of those rabbits were mine, yes... And YOU stated that you wanted to take care of the rodent breeding... I supplied food, bedding and financial support for the, as well as you, but you said you were taking care of them primarily... But yes, I DID feed and water them. And Koda liked to play with them, yes, but it was never in harm.. He plays with the cats the same way and you know this...

Koda is your dog that you have posted on RTB about being "aggressive" numerous times..

http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/domesticated-mammals/60658-last-chance.html
From above link:

Well... I just got home from work to see that Koda destroyed my sofa... He tore all the fluff out of it and threw it everywhere... Ok, so I was mad, VERY mad... So I figured, show him what he did, tell him NO! and send him to his crate for the night and figure out a way to fix my sofa -_-

I attached his leash and took him to the sofa... As soon as he saw it and I said NOOO! in a VERY stern loud voice, he snarled and lunged at me... Thankfully I had the leash on him... And choked him back, but he did manage to land a nice K9 tooth on me... I threw him down and grabbed his throat and then literally dragged him by his choke chain to his crate and locked him in it, dragged it outside and he's sitting in his crate facing the brick wall locked up....

I don't know what to do anymore... Ryan is ready to kill him because he tried to attack me... I'm sooooooo mad I can't think straight... I literally almost beat the living crap out of him...

http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/domesticated-mammals/60863-koda-can-good.html

http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/domesticated-mammals/60107-dog-aggression-help.html
from the above link:

Alright, so I have Koda, my shep mix with who knows what... Lately he has been having a change of attitude... He is fixed and UTD on everything... But like... He will eat the cat crap, tear stuff up and when we put him in his crate he will break out... We've tied it, he ate through a leash to break out, I got a chain leash and he STILL breaks out and chews stuff up and eats cat crap... Well... Every time he does it, I show him what he did and give him a couple smacks with a paper or belt, not TOO hard, on the butt... Well... recently, he's been lashing back at us... He will try to or WILL bite us when we smack him.

You admit the rabbits were YOUR responsibility, at least 3 of them...but you didn't clean up after them or feed/water them? Just let Yvonne do it? You claim you "didn't worry about the smell after they were moved outside"..Well I'd imagine not, you weren't smelling it.


I'm SERIOUSLY beginning to question YOUR character over the posts above, which ARE proof of your behavior.

Why would you let your dog (that has shown aggression in the past) CHASE rabbits around your house? You claim you are trying to get custody of your son, so you lock the snake room, but let your aggressive dog chase rabbits around the house?

Sorry what kind of animal keeper ARE you?? You let a barely weaned bird fly around with cats loose?

I'm just seeing all this and it's really NOT a good reflection on you.
It may not have anything to do with the fact SHE owes YOU money, but it does have an effect on YOUR character whether you "mean for it to" or not.

 

[reticguy76]

the dog aggression is probably because of the pregnancy and the baby being born. i recently had a baby (well my wife did, a couple months ago), and one of my chihuahuas made a total 180 change when my wife became pregnant. i work with canine behavioral specialists in my field (veterinary medicine). beating and hitting and kicking and chaining the dog isnt gonna help at all, and in fact will make things worse. if there is no time or energy or want to slowly and confidently work with dog, the dog should be re-homed. some dogs just dont adjust well to new animals or new people (or little people) in their domain. i dont think that shows anything bad about animal keeping, in respects to the "dog aggression".

the weaned bird loose with cats in the house, that seems a bit out of the norm.

everybody has their opinions on everything. government assistance is a very sensitive subject in general. i dont really see how it horribly relevent here though. she applied for it, and didnt get approval because they make too much. for me, that discussion should be closed. had she gotten it and was buying snakes and whatnot, that would be a whole different story. but she is not on government assistance at this time (unless i read something wrong or didnt read something properly), that should be thrown out of this thread. applying and wanting assistance doesnt mean much here, unless she actually got approved and was taking advantage.

that being said, i agree with people on here, i have been down and out and all that before, as have millions of people at one time, i have never once wanted or thought about wanting my fellow citizens tax money to go to me for free. government assistance is there for extreme cases where people need it. for example, a happy family of 5 where the father/husband brings in the income for years, and all of sudden up and leaves and files for divorce. government assitance is for that abandoned mother of 3 kids that doesnt have or hasnt needed, a job before.

this is why, these days, you cant trust anybody, and you get anything and everything in writing, especially when larger amounts of money are involved.

its damn unfortunate, that we are in a time when a persons word and honor means nothing, but we are. if yvonne, said and admits she owes you "x" amount of money, hopefully she will do the honorable thing and pay you, and put all this in the grave

just my thoughts on this whole thing.

 

[amercnwmn]

the dog aggression is probably because of the pregnancy and the baby being born.

Normally I'd agree:
Her 1st "dog aggression" thread was posted in January. So she wasn't pregnant at that time, the new baby was just born within the past month.

The only reason I even mention the dog, is that BOTH parties mentioned the dog's behavior in this thread, which reminded me of the other posts.

i dont think that shows anything bad about animal keeping, in respects to the "dog aggression".

Oh I totally agree!
I posted the links above ONLY because THEY brought it up, and I think it's SAD Ashley actually allows the dog to chase her rabbits around the house, knowing it's behavior problems. THAT's what bothered me about her animal keeping, not the fact that she has a "problem child".

I'm also concerned as Ashley mentioned in a previous post her pending custody battle for her 5yr old son against her Mother:
A curious and playful 5yr old boy, and an aggressive dog aren't a good mix. Again, off topic, but since they both mentioned the dog, and the custody suit here, I'll feel it's fair to comment on it.

everybody has their opinions on everything. government assistance is a very sensitive subject in general. i dont really see how it horribly relevent here though. she applied for it, and didnt get approval because they make too much. for me, that discussion should be closed. had she gotten it and was buying snakes and whatnot, that would be a whole different story.

Unless I read wrong, she had been on WIC after her surgery/release from military service. She just went to reapply and thanks to unemployment, now makes too much under the Texas income guidelines:
which are
TEXAS WIC INCOME GUIDELINES 2010
$33,874-$40,793 for a family of 3 up to 4 members.
Wonder if she included her recent baby Bolivian Boa sales on her "income"?
Doesn't matter really, like you said.

We ALL need a helping hand at times, I don't see a problem with that, but during that time, she WAS buying snakes, attending shows...etc...and THAT seems wrong to me.

Sorry for introducing all this other stuff really, the whole thing started after my curiosity:
Ashley had time to post all over other forums and FB all aspects of her life but not come here and back up her accusations against Yvonne, and it seemed strange.

It raises some about character and motives when someone can spend large amounts on things that aren't necessities, but try to get assistance from government progams..and that's the ONLY relevance the post had here.

I tend to be a "whole picture" person, and if someone is questioning another person's character, ESPECIALLY without proof, they should know that a light may be shined on their character as well.

but she is not on government assistance at this time (unless i read something wrong or didnt read something properly), that should be thrown out of this thread. applying and wanting assistance doesnt mean much here, unless she actually got approved and was taking advantage.

If I'm understanding other posters correctly, she is on disability for an injury/surgery on her ankle involving torn ligaments, but apparently is fully able to ride a motorcycle, go clubbing and dancing, handle large constrictors, and train to keep venomous snakes.

There's a lot that should be thrown out of this thread..since it's really not got ANYTHING at ALL to do with reptiles or a reptile deal gone bad.

I apologize for adding to it, but there's so many things that keep cropping up in replies and other areas,and I feel it's best to try to look at the WHOLE picture.

Yvonne has AGREED to pay what she owes when the AMOUNT is proven and agreed upon, and her items are returned to her. At least that's what I gathered in her post.

I hope Ashley gets her money back! However, I really think the Texas small claims courts would be her BEST bet, and even there, she's going to need more evidence of the arrangement than she's brought so far.

 

[Steve Hamm]

Nothing is gonna get resolved here,take it to small claims. Why haven't u done so yet? Wowzar!

 

[Kristi23]

I wouldn't say he's necessarily bashing anyone. Just stating an opinion that I think a very large number of people that aren't living off of government money when it isn't an absolute last resort(as it's meant to be) would hold.

I have to agree with this. If you have extra money, then you shouldn't be taking from the people who need it. I was on WIC when I had my daughter. I was 20 and single and used it maybe 2-3 times. I was embarrassed to use it. Instead, I went out and found a better job making more money so that I didn't need to be on it. I know that the economy is bad, but if you have extra money, you don't need to get free items from the government (and tax payers). JMO

 

[reticguy76]

totally agree with all the above. once voluntarely brought henceforth in a public facility/forum, it is open for opinions and such. there is a huge difference between living off government money and utilizing it during desperate times in ones life. it is not my place to judge anybodys personal lives, that will be dealt with when we die. im gonna get taxed no matter, id rather as much of it go to my fellow citizens, than the politicians that are constantly trying to get raises and bonuses off my hard earned money.

now that that is off my chest, i have a quick question, is the original reason for this post to warn against buying snakes off of yvonne, or just a journey into the type of person ashley believes her to be ?

 

[Drew Zaun]

totally agree with all the above. once voluntarely brought henceforth in a public facility/forum, it is open for opinions and such. there is a huge difference between living off government money and utilizing it during desperate times in ones life. it is not my place to judge anybodys personal lives, that will be dealt with when we die. im gonna get taxed no matter, id rather as much of it go to my fellow citizens, than the politicians that are constantly trying to get raises and bonuses off my hard earned money.

now that that is off my chest, i have a quick question, is the original reason for this post to warn against buying snakes off of yvonne, or just a journey into the type of person ashley believes her to be ?

Yes, she did volunteer the WIC information, and she claims to have been on it for a time was it was not renewed due to her higher income. I do see a problem with her being on it, mostly to the system that allows it to be abused. Here is my point:

WIC writes a check for certain groceries, it spells out things like a gallon of milk, dozen eggs, 14.5 oz box of Cheerios, loaf of white bread.

Now, those groceries add up to about 13 bucks or so, depending on brands and sales.

My cricket bill ALONE is about 15 dollars a week. Forget mice and rats and the extra I pay for electricity to house my animals.

Why should YOU, or anyone else, buy what the government considers essential groceries when I can afford to keep frivolous pets?

It is relevent to this thread, in anwer to your question above, this is a character assasination of Yvonne, and it goes to the OP's character as well.

What has ANY of this entire thread have to do with this forum? Nothing I guess, but its a slow news week and so it is getting lots of attention from bored herpers...

 

[reticguy76]

gotcha. i have never been on any government program. so, i was under the impression she was on disability. isnt that separate from welfare/food stamps and the like ?? dont get me wrong, i dont agree with people that clearly shouldnt be on government funding programs and are. if i really got into my thoughts and views on this subject, i would lose lots of friends and acquaintences. if we were on a different type of forum for that, then i would express my opinions/thoughts.

i guess im also curious as to why yvonne doesnt come on here and post her side and views of this thread ??

 

[Drew Zaun]

gotcha. i have never been on any government program. so, i was under the impression she was on disability. isnt that separate from welfare/food stamps and the like ?? dont get me wrong, i dont agree with people that clearly shouldnt be on government funding programs and are. if i really got into my thoughts and views on this subject, i would lose lots of friends and acquaintences. if we were on a different type of forum for that, then i would express my opinions/thoughts.

i guess im also curious as to why yvonne doesnt come on here and post her side and views of this thread ??

Yes, all seperate accounts. Disability, since she was injured in the military may come from a Veterans program. If she were collecting that money for a bum ankle and was at the same time riding motorcycles and going dancing as one person says, that would really tick me off, maybe to the point of reporting her.

Most disability is covered by Social Security, which is why they keep pushing back the collecting age for retirees, whom the program was initiated for in the first place.

AFAIK welfare/foodstamps and WIC are seperate programs. WIC stands for Women, Infants and Children and is supposed to be making sure people who really need certain nutrients are able to purchase them.

At the risk of going too far OT, but then this seems to be the perfect thread for it, it really me off that active duty personell qualify for any kind of public assistance in the first place. This is not a shot at the OP, but rather at the government. People who serve in the Armed Forces deserve more money, benefits and entitlements than anyone who works on Capital Hill ever should get for their performance.

It bothers me that so many AD military and Veterans struggle making ends meet because they chose to serve their country instead of themselves. That having been said those of us who don't need help whether we qualify or not need to abstain from taking any, so that those who do NEED the help have it available to them, in amounts that actually facilitates something like a life. Those who do not need disabilty for example should be kicked off, so that those who do need it can actually live in a decent place.

 

[reticguy76]

ahhh. now it makes sense. i knew the basic points of this stuff. but i have never been on it, nor has anybody ive known. i wasnt aware that afaik and wic were two separate entities, so to speak.

 

[amercnwmn]

WIC writes a check for certain groceries, it spells out things like a gallon of milk, dozen eggs, 14.5 oz box of Cheerios, loaf of white bread.
Now, those groceries add up to about 13 bucks or so, depending on brands and sales.

Actually, according to Texas WIC http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/wichd/approved_foods/ap_home.shtm

WIC recipients get:

FOR
BREASTFED INFANTS
6 Months - 11 Months
Infant Cereal 24 ounces
Infant Fruits & Vegetables 64 - 4 ounce containers
Infant Meats 31 - 2.5 ounce containers

FORMULA FED INFANTS
0 - 5 Months
Formula Amount varies (generally 9 cans of 20oz formula)
6 Months - 11 Months
Infant Cereal 24 ounces
Infant Fruits & Vegetables 32 - 4 ounce containers

CHILDREN 12 to 23 Months
Milk (whole only) 3 gallons & 1 quart
Cheese1 pound
Cereal 36 ounces
Juice (64 ounces fluid or 16 ounces frozen) 2 containers
Eggs 1 dozen
Beans 1 pound
Peanut Butter None
Fruits & Vegetables $6.00
Whole Grains 2 pounds

PLUS Mom gets:
POST PARTUM & SOME BREASTFEEDING
Milk (fat-free, 1/2%, 1%, or 2%) 3 gallons & 1 quart
Cheese 1 pound
Cereal 36 ounces
Juice (48 ounces fluid or 12 ounces frozen) 2 containers
Eggs 1 dozen
Beans or Peanut Butter 1 pound or 18 ounces
Fruits & Vegetables $10.00

PREGNANT & MOSTLY BREASTFEEDING
Milk (fat-free, 1/2%, 1%, or 2%) 4 1/2 gallon & 1 quart
Cheese 1 pound
Cereal 36 ounces
Juice (48 ounces fluid or 12 ounces frozen) 3 containers
Eggs 1 dozen
Beans & Peanut Butter 1 pound & 18 ounces
Fruits & Vegetables $10.00
Whole Grains 1 pound

...you get the point. That's a LOT of $$!! She apparently used WIC while pregnant, or before pregnant (for another child?). Not that there is ANYTHING WRONG with that, but it's NOT RIGHT to use it if you can clearly afford to do other things, and I'm relieved other people agree it sheds a negative light on her motives behind this thread.

My cricket bill ALONE is about 15 dollars a week. Forget mice and rats and the extra I pay for electricity to house my animals.

Why should YOU, or anyone else, buy what the government considers essential groceries when I can afford to keep frivolous pets?

It is relevent to this thread, in anwer to your question above, this is a character assasination of Yvonne, and it goes to the OP's character as well.

What has ANY of this entire thread have to do with this forum? Nothing I guess, but its a slow news week and so it is getting lots of attention from bored herpers...

Ain't that the truth?

 

[sally-dog]

Well, I'm glad people agree with me. For a minute I thought I really DID have family/anger/personal/whatever issues she accused me of having!

 

[Drew Zaun]

Actually, according to Texas WIC http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/wichd/approved_foods/ap_home.shtm

That is very similar to what I have seen for WIC in NJ as well, but I should note that you do not get all of that every week. At least as I remember it from my time as a supermarket cashier, WIC was very specific and very much a PITA for both recipients and clerks alike.

For example they specified on the check itself what brand and size you caould purchase. You could only purchase that exact item. If the store was out or ran a sale and was substituting another product you were SOL. If it was 16oz of Cheerios, you could not get a 14.5 oz box or store brand even it was cheaper.

Also each check was a seperate order. I remember one lady who got 5 or 6 checks a week. So I would ring her normal order, then a seperate one for each check. Also the recipient does not get a copy of the reciept, that goes along with the check back to WIC so the store gets its $$$. If you got home and the milk was sour, the bread was stale and your cereal was moldy you were SOL on getting them replaced.

WIC is a good idea gone horribly wrong, like all the social programs in this country. That is what happens when we elect ignorant and corrupt politicians to office, but that seems to be the only people running

 

[amercnwmn]

That is very similar to what I have seen for WIC in NJ as well, but I should note that you do not get all of that every week. At least as I remember it from my time as a supermarket cashier, WIC was very specific and very much a PITA for both recipients and clerks alike.

For example they specified on the check itself what brand and size you caould purchase. You could only purchase that exact item. If the store was out or ran a sale and was substituting another product you were SOL. If it was 16oz of Cheerios, you could not get a 14.5 oz box or store brand even it was cheaper.

Also each check was a seperate order. I remember one lady who got 5 or 6 checks a week. So I would ring her normal order, then a seperate one for each check. Also the recipient does not get a copy of the reciept, that goes along with the check back to WIC so the store gets its $$$. If you got home and the milk was sour, the bread was stale and your cereal was moldy you were SOL on getting them replaced.

WIC is a good idea gone horribly wrong, like all the social programs in this country. That is what happens when we elect ignorant and corrupt politicians to office, but that seems to be the only people running

Been a LONG time since I used WIC, but I remember it being a PITA as well.
It helps, but like any other program it has it's flaws, and can be exploited easily.

 

[SakaraGT4]

Just for the record, I am not on disability... I got out of the army on a medical sep. under 30% so no, I do not get monthly disability... I haven't even gotten anything from the VA yet, so I'm not receiving anything from either... And as far as the motorcycle, I sold that back in spring of this year after not riding it since like... Summer 2009 because it was painful... So I don't even have a bike anymore and haven't for a while... Ryan still has a motorcycle, but it's parked since he's deployed

 

[amercnwmn]

Jeez I couldn't find the link back to this thread, so I typed in SakaraGT4, and found this:

I remember when this snake died...Several members on RTB spoke up about the symptoms the snake exhibited, and spoke up that she should STOP buying more snakes untill she KNEW for certain she didn't have IBD. She insisted she had quarantined them all, but looking at pics taken LESS than a MONTH later, she does NOT quarantine.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=851033&postcount=247

which was referencing THIS snake:
http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/boas/57160-bcl-boas-2.html
I'm under the impression the female BCL is still in the collection.

http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/c...sbandry-items/57537-new-snake-room-setup.html

I'm not even going to attempt to weed through the 500+ threads started on RTB to figure out how many snakes were added/sold after this snake died of IBD.

If one is bored enough, it really only takes a 5min SEARCH on RTB of her threads and see the pics of her set ups and see that she does NOT have quarantine, and has amassed/sold numerous snakes since that time.

Not to mention, has had someone WITH snakes living in her home, and is currently caring for another person's snakes.
I'm sorry, I'm going to point out incidences where people accuse others of improper care/husbandry when they are exhibiting the same things.

Incidentally the "disability" came from this: http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/just-talk/57545-well-got-some-bad-news.html

I haven't really noticed any significant difference or pain increase... Just the normal hip/ankle pain that I already had , lol... But my Dr. pretty much told me that I have 2 options...
1. Get surgery again and go from there...
2. Med board out...
Now.... I will prolly end up taking the med board... If I stay in all I'll be doing is sitting doing crap details for the next 2 years... My unit won't let me go to school so it's pretty much a waste of time That kinda sucks, lol... I REALLY don't wanna get surgery again... Mainly because I haven't noticed a difference and it hasnt' bothered me any more then it already was...

If I take the med board, I will still keep all my medical benefits and stuff because it is a medical release, not a less then honorable discharge... So I can keep medical, my $80k GI bill for school which I can give whatever I don't use to Ethan for his future college... And I'll also get the last $10k of my bonus, plus a monthly paycheck from the Army for "disability" AND from VA...
I already had a plan IF the med board thing happened... I can go back to school 3/4 - full time and be able to make $1100 in BAH a month, plus work a part time job, plus my Army/VA checks..

and the follow up: 11-05-09
http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/just-talk/58262-got-word-today.html

I went to my doctor today and he is starting my Medical Evaluation Board process... That means I will be getting out... It will probably take about 3-4 months as long as everything goes smoothly... The good things are that I will be able to keep medical and VA benefits, my GI bill *free college*, a monthly check from both the Army and VA, as well as BAH money while I'm in school and the last $15k of my bonus, lol... So it's not bad... I'll also have about 60 days of paid terminal leave before I get out..

and you felt you needed WIC? there's a LOT of things piling up and while it's not excusing Yvonne for skipping out on a bill, you brought this here with nothing but "your word" and expected people NOT to question it, and now all the other things are coming to light.

 

[amercnwmn]

and my statement on her quarantine is based on this:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=817943&postcount=116

The male BCL tested positive for both IBD and Pneumonia. When I got him in September, I kept him away from the others with standard protocol. The only time he had contact with my other snakes at all was when we were moving to the new house. He was near the other snakes for maybe 2 weeks while we were getting everything set up, then moved back into his isolation. The snake appeared fine during this time, but refused to eat for almost 4 weeks. I did not think much of that because I have had snakes refuse food before with no problems.

That is NOT quarantine.

 

[reticguy76]

damn, that is some serious research right there

 

[sally-dog]

damn, that is some serious research right there

The point is, everyone has access to this if they so choose to look for it.