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Bad Guy west coast roaches Daniel Penunuri

Because the rene morales is posing as danial pernunni.

The thread here says danial pernunni acting as westcoastroaches, and your site has a Danial posing as westcoastroaches.

Hmmm is it a coincidence? Cant be.

Not a coincidence at all... ya'll used to be partners and he was advertising on various forums to help bring in sales.

I am just the only one seeing it. It would have been sooooo easy for a webmaster to just go into your Db and change the username on that account. It takes like 4 seconds. All would have een solved and I would have been happy.I have proven beyond a doubt that I own the website, have access to the site, and that I control the westcoastroaches email names rights to all content and materials.

Instead what I got was a congressional hearing calling me a liar when the facts are there for anyone to see. All you have to do is look and ask questions.

Why I gotta go thru this to protect my business name? No clue.

Do you honestly believe I am going into the database to change someone's username off of what someone I dont even know say's in an email without me checking up on it first?

You made some serious accusations in your email to us and I refuse to just jump because you wanted it without checking it out first.

If it makes you happy... Daniel will not be able to post on our site under the WCR name. He has made a request and I have honored it. On the flip side.. .you're not posting on our site under that name either.
 
I also own

http://www.scottsdaleazpools.com/
http://benzo-addictions.com/
http://www.facoweefarms.com

Are they all under suspicion too? I don't live in scottsdale AZ am I not allowed to own the name? Am I liar beciase I own it. Again leased and not paid, I own it.

Benzo keywords are paying over 20$ a click, am I under suspicion because I on that one.

I used to play mobsters, and I suspicious because I won that one and lease it out?


I dont think so.
 
honestly i would not post on your site, because I question the actions of the admins. You will jump right off and publicly call me liar flat out and start all this based on a user registration email anyone can have. When i email you our official emails and explained exactly what was going on.

Hell anyone can make an email with your site name in 30 seconds flat. If they do that are they considered official. Maybe rene danial morelas pernunni (lol still hilarious you guys fell for that one) will go make one and do the same to you guys.

If your willing to jump outright call someone a liar in a simple request there no telling what you will do later. You jumped right out called me a liar before you even asked your prized member what all there information was. That came later.

I would not advertise on your site in a free format or a paid membership method under any circumstances.

So 6 hours later, you removed the account as requested, but not before calling me a liar.I think it was nice I even tried to send an email to clear all this up rather than have a attorney do it for us. I felt that was not needed. i stand corrected.


Thanks guys.
 
LOL

You, sir, are an idiot.

ONCE AGAIN, we did not accuse you of not being the current owner of the website or having control of the name. We accused you of lying to us as well as the people here on Fauna...the truth is this "impostor" was not an impostor at all but rather a former employee/business partner/whatever acting on your behalf at the time of his postings. But you pretended to have absolutely no knowledge of him...and still are pretending to do so. Come on...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that someone who was using your email address and website address to do business was somehow involved in your business in the past. Since you say you've only been associated with one other person...then hey...that kinda narrows it down, don't it?

However, before you continue getting all high and mighty on us... let me post the initial emails between us.

Good Morning,

My name is Jon Armstrong and I am the owner of WestCoastRoaches.com. I have
been finding around he internet posts in different forums accounts named
westcoastroaches that are not correct. I have done some investigating and
have found these accounts exist on your site and in your forums. It seems
someone feels they can go around posting and doing business as my site
name. I realize that you do not filter your members or govern accounts to
much, but this account is fraudulent. I have been working with several site
owners and admins to have the fraudulent material removed and setting up
official accounts in our name. I feel that your site is an asset to us and
would like to take the time and work with you to make sure your site and
your members have the same security and enhancements when making a purchase.

There are some difference with us and the way we do business that set us
apart from what the user currently tries to pull off. We do not in any
forum, or any post ask users to send us money via paypal. We only take
payments as web payments so the buyers have the paypal protection should
they not be happy with their order or service. This allows them to dispute
and win rather than just losing their money by doing a direct send. We post
all our prices upfront in our posts for ALL products that match our
website, and any other avenues we use to service a community.We do this so
no matter what site you are on, the link you use, or the post your looking
at the prices are the same. Everyone pays the same price for the products.
They also like to use the email [email protected]. We only do
business with a certified domain @westcoastroaches.com. We do not take
payments as any free domain.

I feel whoever this person is using our name posses a potential riak to
your site and your visitors intrested on our products and services. I
request you please remove the account and allow us the opportunity to exist
on your site as a legitimate business.I will create an official account
that links to us the correct way. I am willing to prove that I own the
website by placing a link on the front page of our website pointing to your
home page. I really want to establish a working relationship and take care
of this impersonation as soon as possible. If you would like to discuss
this further you can email me at [email protected] or call me on
my cell at [removed]. Thank you for your attention to this matter, I am
very grateful.

Sincerely,
Jon Armstrong
WestCoastRoaches.com

My response was as follows...I was at work at the time I received the email and therefore needed to discuss things with Kevin and look into matters a little more. Problem was...when we looked into matters to see what kind of motive this impostor had...we realized there was something fishy going on because he wasn't doing what a normal impostor would be doing--destroying a business' reputation.

Hi Jon,

Thanks for contacting me about this. I need to discuss things with my other admin to
figure out a plan of action in regards to this. When I get home from work, I will
contact this member with a request to change their username. From what I've seen
just briefly skimming their posts they are not intentionally trying to impersonate
your business, but it appears they are unaware that they've taken on the business
name of an already established business. I'm not a legal expert, but this could turn
into a legal issue really quickly and may be best resolved with the aid of an
attorney (as far as the username usage as a whole goes--not just for HerpFamily
specific issues).

Do you have any emails or other documents proving they are actually intentionally
trying to impersonate you--any contact between you and them or posts they've made
where its obvious they're trying to appear to operate on behalf of YOUR business?
Any info of this sort will definitely help us ensure we take the right actions
against them. Also, aside from just owning the domain name, do you legally have
your business registered...either the name trademarked or the business registered
for tax purposes? Obviously if you do, it'll make a plan of action even easier for
us.

Ill be in touch when I've had a chance to consult my other admin and/or staff members.

Thanks,
Josh Blackshire
Owner/Administrator
HerpFamily.com

Ooops...did you forget I keep logs of all my HF related activity? Well as everyone can see from above...in my response I clearly stated I would request that they change their username (I also was going to require they utilize a different email address if they continued to utilize our classifieds forum). I also asked a few questions to try to determine whether you actually have the business name trademarked or anything else. Now, why did I ask these questions? For one, if you had any proof that you LEGALLY own either the name or the business...I wouldn't hesitate to remove any posts mentioning WCR from my website and I would also consider banning the user from my website provided they didn't provide me with a valid explanation for why they were utilizing your business name. Secondly, I wanted to ensure you weren't trying to hijack a legitimate business. Just because you own a domain name does NOT legally make you the owner of the business.

For example... I could have a legal business operating out of my garage called Josh's Herps. I could have the name trademarked...but only operate locally and have no website setup. Hell, I could be in business for 10 years like this. Then suddenly some kid comes along and sets up a website called Joshsherps.com. Who legally owns the business? The guy with the .com name or the guy with the trademarked name operating out of his garage? The guy who owns the trademark of course. I was ensuring I was taking care of the right problem...there are a lot of people out there who aren't tech savvy and don't have their own .com domain. One of my good friends uses a freewebs account and doesn't have his own .com website...if I set up a .com name with his business name, that doesn't make me the rightful owner. Even if I send emails to people from the official domain saying, "LOOK! I HAVE THE OFFICIAL DOMAIN NAME'S EMAIL!" He also uses a hotmail account for his official business email. Is it how I would do business? No, but not everybody operates the same way and there's nothing wrong with doing it that way aside from not reaching out to quite as many people at times.

Oh...I might as well post your response to my email response...

Well they are using "westcoastroaches" as there email address to a free
webhost. Anyone having official access to our site would have a
westcoastroaches domain. You can do a domain who is and see my name as the
official admin of the site as the owner. You can also see this person
intentionally used my name and ripped someone off and it got posted on
Fauna boards of interest. I do not want this to happen again nor do I want
your users subject to this.As far as emails to and from the person, Ive no
clue who they are. I have been finding them doing this in multiple places
around the web. Most site admins once I have shown I own the site have no
issues removing their posts.

Apparently not a word I said got through to you...my statement that I was going to take care of their account was ignored as were all my questions.

Have a nice day!
 
Rene Morales contacted me wanting to purchase a website design. He was a dead beat customer who did not pay for design costs. The site was started and after he went in the hole the rights returned to me.This is not uncommon practice as im sure you are well aware of.

And you should have shut the site down. WestCoastRoaches WAS Daniel... not you. All you did was build the website. You had no claim to his business name and you still dont. You were nothing more than a web designer.

Now it seems the truth has finally started to come out, and quite frankly... I am more inclined to believe everything Daniel told me over the phone.

All your doing is holding his business hostage and forcing him to start over since he was selling locally as WCR before he ever contacted you.

Aside from not paying for a site he ordered, He began producing sales to himself personally for a site he did not pay for. At that time he was a box filler, Nothing more. Someone we tried to let make some money because he claimed his wife died during child birth and regardless of him using westcoastroaches name to produce orders to himself.

And as the web deisgner you had full access to the server control panel.. .thus you changed the email access info and made sure Daniel could no longer access his sales email. That is probably why he registered on our site under [email protected]

Daniel still was WCR, but you were trying to hold his business hostage because of a web design payment dispute. You should have shut he site down... it wasnt' your's to run.

In short I felt sorry for the Rene (the man we find has two names now) . As he continued take orders and sale as WCR he would get paid, and I would get the ones mad at him about there orders. Just like I took the brunt of the hit for the order that started this thread.

And if you would have shut the site down like you were supposed to then you wouldn't be in this problem.

I was left with a site, no payment, and people coming back to me for refunds. At that point he was told to get lost and to not use our name for anything. He was asked to fill no more orders and we had no communications with him at all.

Once again... It's not your name. Your nothing more than a web deisgner at this point.


Fast forward 6 months later, I found this thread and commented. Then I began to look for more occurrences where this is happening. Which is apparently where my mistake was made by thinking that a webmaster would want to know that someone on his site is posing as another business.

We were greatful for that.. and now we know that you were posing as someone elses business. You just have control over their website.


The original registrant is badazzwebhost. That's me. His name was just listed as technical contact as I had planned to get paid for the site design and go about my way leaving it to him to do with as he pleased so long as the bill was paid.

So that would make me an owner and him someone leasing a site month to month. Well that last about 2 weeks.

Well... it was you. I had dug that info up long before you posted here. Matter of fact that expired

Expiration Date: 01-oct-2011

and according to google even your renewal is prohibited

Status: clientRenewProhibited

As to you leasing a website month to month... .that sounds more like extortion to me. Either you pay me this much a month or I'll take over your site and run with your business name.

Newsflash... that doesn't fly. Your ethics just hurt both www.westcoastroaches.com and www.dubiadirect.com

We also have to wonder how you came about running all these website. My guess is using the same tactics that you used to steal WCR from Daniel. You were not entitled to his business name. If anyone is posing... .it sir is you!


There is no need to question my integrity as my name has stayed the same since the thread started. If i was alerted to someone using false information on my site, the content would be removed. I damn sure owuldnt jump right out and call them a liar.

There is every reason to question your intergity. Once again... if you think Im just going to up and remove someone's info on a strangers say without checking it out then your crazy.

You also mentioned you handled both accounts. Did you have a change of heart. I thought you was willing to stand my your member is who he said he is. Wondering why if your member with 2 last names was not lying with his aliases would you Handle his account?

His account was changed per his request.... yours was deleted.

Again a name change on the account would have saved us both a whole day and a lot of typing back and forth. You could have named it Rene Danial moreles pernunni. I would have been just fine.

Me just jumping into doing what someone in an email wants without checking it out first would have also kept the truth coming out about you as well. And while you may be fine with that name change.. .you're not the registed member of that account and you cant just snap your fingers and hope folks will jump.

1 link on my menu gets produced on every page associated with WCR. Thats 540 SEO indexed pages. So when I post a link. It shows on every page we have created. Its dynamic links in the menus. Not a hard concept to understand that 1 link on 540 pages make 540 links. Like simple math. 1+1 =2 and so on. And honestly after all you guys had to say this morning do you honestly think for 1 second I would give you a link that lasted long enough to be indexed and bump your rankings. Especially after you called me a liar.

And I could put a link in my signature here and it would show up 5,091 times. Does that mean that all of a sudden I will get alot more visitors to my site. I dont think so. Your arguement is moot.

I hardly think so. It will only hurt my rankings to place a link to a site that has less ranking than mine and leave it. I was born in the dark but not last night. Im in the top two pages of Google and most search engines. Not about to let someone who called me a liar reap benefits from y hard work as Im not going to let rene danial morales pernunni (LOL) infringe on my companies named rights.

Once again... it's not your comapny... you're nothing more than a web designer that stole Daniels business name.
 
By the way...

1.) Call your attorney and I wish you the best of luck with them. We have done nothing wrong and we complied with your demands just like I said we would in your initial email...everything that has been posted has been posted with the sources to back them up. Maybe if you would have put your foot in your mouth earlier, none of this info would have come out...

2.) I even recommended in my first email that you would probably benefit by getting an attorney involved! Not because I was being stubborn and refusing to take action, but as a helpful recommendation to stop him from impersonating your business...GEEZE!
 
honestly i would not post on your site, because I question the actions of the admins. You will jump right off and publicly call me liar flat out and start all this based on a user registration email anyone can have. When i email you our official emails and explained exactly what was going on.

You didn't even remotely explain EXACTLY what was going on. If you like... I can sure post that email which will further degrade your character and credibility. You tried to make it out to be that you were the owner of WCR.. .which in fact you just stole from Daniel. You even finally admitted it here on the BOI.

Now isn't it a good thing that I took the time to do some research instead of just jumping because you wanted me to. :yesnod:

If your willing to jump outright call someone a liar in a simple request there no telling what you will do later. You jumped right out called me a liar before you even asked your prized member what all there information was. That came later.

I stated what I felt after I had enough facts to back it up. There is one thing you may eventually learn about me. I dont toss accusations around unless I can back them up. All of the older members of fauna will confirm this.

I would not advertise on your site in a free format or a paid membership method under any circumstances.

But yet you took the time to register on our site :rofl:

So 6 hours later, you removed the account as requested, but not before calling me a liar.I think it was nice I even tried to send an email to clear all this up rather than have a attorney do it for us. I felt that was not needed. i stand corrected.


Thanks guys.

My facts speak for themselves.

Myself.. and Im sure everyone else reading this thread still wants to know... .Why did you steal his business name instead of just shuting down the site for non payment?
 
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2.) I even recommended in my first email that you would probably benefit by getting an attorney involved! Not because I was being stubborn and refusing to take action, but as a helpful recommendation to stop him from impersonating your business...GEEZE!

Which has turned out to not even be his business... he is just holding the website hostage for non payment. :NoNo:
 
Couple other things before I call it a night and head to the bar...

I used to be a freelance web developer...started doing it at the age of 10, started freelancing in highschool. When I registered domain names, I registered them under my name. NONE of their information made it onto that domain name until the completed project was transferred over to them...or if I was hosting it, I would change the information when payment was received. Same way as selling a car...I'm not signing the dang title over to anyone until I've got the money in my hand.

Also, if Rene/Daniel were an employee of yours...you should have known his full legal name considering that's kind of required for tax purposes, even for 1099's...I'm suspecting you were well aware and are just leaving that info out though...
 
Why in gods name after I paid for a site hosting and the name for a year.Shut it down because someone could not pay the. design bill? The biz or the site did not exist before I registered it.

Renumber badazzwebhost ( thats me) is the original registrar of the site.

I have been called a liar, a thief and idiot. i am not inclined to sit and take you attacking me with opinions of your own. Should I also mention you spoke with rene or danial and did not give me the courtesy of a phone conversation before you flat out called me a liar. Oh wait you tried to call and I missed the call. Did you answer when I called back NO.


If you buy a car, bank financed of course, and you dont pay the note and finance company takes possession of the car, are the stealing the car.

A landlord who doesn't get his rent, evicts tenants and don't tear down the house, are they thieves also.

You seem to have a very narrow scope of understanding in all this.

Now for me knowing who the hell the member is, is impossible unless you share your database and user records with everyone, How the hell am i supposed to know just who posted the threads. It said WestCoastRoaches. It did not say danial, rene, or any other name other than WestCoastRoaches.com

Am I expected to be a mind reader when it comes to your secure user files?

You did your investigation, slandered me after I made a simple peaceful request to maintain my intellectual business property. Instead of working this all out in email, we gotta run here and drag it all out in public.


All I can see is a request made to have your member change the username of remove the account altogether. Simple. Well should have been.
Instead of having the owner respond professionally and work with us to hammer this out. I get the whole admin berating with full opposition.

If you like for people to use other business names and post of your site sales adds that are false. Fine, do as you wish.It is your call.

As for westcoastroaches.com we will do everything in our power to ensure our property and our business is protected from fraudulent behavior whether by everyday people or by sites harboring illicit accounts.

How you maintain your records in general is of 0 concern to me, if it has my business name attached to it, it is my right to oppose it.

Funny how after all this the name calling BY YOU guys, and the harassment by your and your admin teams for hours results in exactly what I asked for. You just had to find out he is not who he says he is too.

By the way..
Your excellent member was also part of roachesrus and also operates a free website selling roaches. None of which have my name, and all of which is falling apart because he does not follow up on his obligations, all of which I don't give 2 shits about. And suddenly since I financed the deal in the very beginning I'm a thief.


Allowing people to purposely administer accounts with biz names they don't own after I have proven who owns, controls and administers the website.In mu view this is no different than the one using the false account.

Now we know why now all of your for sale threads are empty because a biz cannot go in and maintain and expect the admins to do anything about it.
 
Determining the "legal" owner of a website can be tricky if there is no contract worked out beforehand. The web designer can technically own it if 1) full payment was not received and 2) they are listed in the domain registry. These waters are muddied because Rene Morales is listed as administrative contact, but the email address and physical address is for badazzwebhost. If Rene/Daniel want to reinstate the domain in his name, he has grounds for it. It would also be good for him to register the tradename/DBA in his state to bolster his claim.

The scenario as far as I can piece together is this: Rene/Daniel (the issue of two identities is still not settled) decided to sell roaches online and came up with the domain name WestCoastRoaches.com. He hires badazzwebhost/PX Media Group to register his domain name and create the site. Around this time, he begins marketing his business on sites like HerpFamily.com. At some point, he stops paying for his site (or possibly never paid at all) and badazzwebhost/PX Media Group decides that it would be worth their while to just take it over, and they register Dubiadirect.com and run it as a similar business. Many companies leverage multiple domains in this manner, but most usually put some info on an "about" page that they are the same parent company. It's not required, but I think it's a good best practice.

I think that it is up to Rene/Daniel to get legal representation if he is still interested in doing business as WestCoastRoaches.com. He appears to have a legal claim.

I don't believe that the multiple names for both parties is an issue, as there are reasonable explanations for each. However, it does make it more confusing.

I do think it's shady for Jon Armstrong to claim ignorance and fraudulence against Rene/Daniel, but I can see where the two different names could cause some confusion. However, he obviously should have known that the account WestCoastRoaches was his former client, and he could have been more upfront about the nature of the company name. All he needed to say is "I am now the legal owner of the site, and I here is how I can prove it..."
 
Why in gods name after I paid for a site hosting and the name for a year.Shut it down because someone could not pay the. design bill? The biz or the site did not exist before I registered it.

Renumber badazzwebhost ( thats me) is the original registrar of the site.

As the owner of numerous websites, why in the world would you purchase a hosting plan for a site you designed for a customer??? At one time I have run upwards of a dozen websites through my host at the same time. And that's a low number compared to what a lot of hosts do...my plan is the cheapest plan available and even that plan allows for UNLIMITED hosted domains under one account. When I would design a website, it stayed hosted under my existing host until payment was received in full (I made an exception for this once when a friend of mine was brokering the deal...and I was shafted out of over $2000 so I've only made this mistake once)...if I purchased the domain name, it stayed under my name...though typically I designed the website around the domain name and I let them purchase the domain name on their own. Once payment was received...either we'd pre-arranged an agreement for hosting or I worked with them to get everything transferred over to their own host. It's your business so you're free to do whatever it is you do...but being a web developer, it just seems odd that you would take the route you're claiming to take...purchasing hosting as well as the domain name for them.

I have been called a liar, a thief and idiot. i am not inclined to sit and take you attacking me with opinions of your own. Should I also mention you spoke with rene or danial and did not give me the courtesy of a phone conversation before you flat out called me a liar. Oh wait you tried to call and I missed the call. Did you answer when I called back NO.

Welcome to the United States of America...might I invite you to read the 1st amendment of the United States Constitution?

So now you're saying if you and Kevin had actually spoke over the phone, none of this would have happened? Hey man...the only difference between emails/posts and phone calls is the words are typed instead of spoken. You have just as much of an opportunity to disprove any accusations with the typed word as you originally did with the spoken word before Kevin refused to answer your phone call.

If you buy a car, bank financed of course, and you dont pay the note and finance company takes possession of the car, are the stealing the car.

A landlord who doesn't get his rent, evicts tenants and don't tear down the house, are they thieves also.

You seem to have a very narrow scope of understanding in all this.

If you finance a car that was used to make service calls for a specific business and default on the payments, the bank will take it back yes...but they will not continue driving it around making service calls for that business with it. They will auction it off to try to recoup some of their losses. And as an employee of a car dealership (my day job), the first thing a dealership is going to do after they purchase the car from the auction is clean it out and sell it for someone else to turn into a work vehicle for THEIR OWN business.

If you rent a shop and have a business in there that repairs computers, again...if you fail to make rent on time and get evicted, they will not take all your stuff and continue running a computer repair business under the same name. If you fail to get your stuff out during the eviction process, yes, it will become property of the building owner...but either they will use it toward starting a new business or sell it off/dispose of it.

It seems to me like YOUR scope of understand is a little off...

Now for me knowing who the hell the member is, is impossible unless you share your database and user records with everyone, How the hell am i supposed to know just who posted the threads. It said WestCoastRoaches. It did not say danial, rene, or any other name other than WestCoastRoaches.com

Am I expected to be a mind reader when it comes to your secure user files?

Um...correct me if I'm wrong here...you should be able to see the posts Daniel made without being a member on my website and IMO, it should have been pretty obvious who he was without him ever posting his real name on the forums since it was obvious he did at one point have direct ties to WestCoastRoaches.com AND the official email address. I do keep a lot of the member information secured, but most of the posts are public with exception to a couple of forums...partially to protect our members from spammers who were having a heyday with some of the information that was defaulted to public plus we ran into some issues where a member's ex-husband was using our website to stalk her and as Kevin mentioned earlier...our members are like family to us...we tightened up our security enough to put an end to that as well as prevent it from happening to other members in the future.

You did your investigation, slandered me after I made a simple peaceful request to maintain my intellectual business property. Instead of working this all out in email, we gotta run here and drag it all out in public.

Few things here...

1.) Look up the definition of the word "slander"
2.) I informed you that we would comply with your request in my first response to you. YOU then began to get hostile while not providing me with any proof whatsoever that you own the actual business and not just have control of the .com domain...which as I ALREADY MENTIONED on here is NOT THE SAME AS HAVING THE NAME TRADEMARKED.
3.) Welcome to the BOI. We found a "bad guy" thread while investigating the claims that YOU CONTACTED US about...and now you're pissed off because almost every piece of your story just hasn't quite added up? Dude...I work full-time on top of running my website...how do you think I feel having to investigate all these allegations you made when I could be out trying to have a little bit of a social life when I'm not working? By the way...keeping things public makes sure that all lies are extinguished pretty quickly...you tell a lie publicly and you get caught in it, you're screwed. You tell a lie privately and get caught in it...now we have to work extra hard to prove to everyone you're lying because all you have to do is say, "Well I never said that..." especially when it comes to phone conversations. Publicly posted, typed messages...hard to dispute that evidence when you get caught in a lie [isn't it?].

All I can see is a request made to have your member change the username of remove the account altogether. Simple. Well should have been.
Instead of having the owner respond professionally and work with us to hammer this out. I get the whole admin berating with full opposition.

Again, read the response I sent to you after your initial email to me. I invite everyone to do so actually...and to everyone reading this thread...did that seem in any way, shape, or form unprofessional? I agreed to comply with the request once I returned home from work...I mentioned I needed to consult with my other admin before I took any additional action...I asked for any legal information proving they owned more than just the domain name...AND I even recommended they contact an attorney to help them handle the issues of someone posting with the same business name.

If you like for people to use other business names and post of your site sales adds that are false. Fine, do as you wish.It is your call.

They weren't false at the time they were posted...the user was utilizing the official .com email address in the ads as well as the website. We have a member who purchased from him and left him feedback for the transaction. Do you need to look up the definition of the word "false" too?

As for westcoastroaches.com we will do everything in our power to ensure our property and our business is protected from fraudulent behavior whether by everyday people or by sites harboring illicit accounts.

How you maintain your records in general is of 0 concern to me, if it has my business name attached to it, it is my right to oppose it.

And in order to protect my members and the possibility that the person contacting me is actually the fraudulent person, I will continue to investigate allegations...contact anyone I deem necessary during my investigation...and request proof of legal ownership of the business wherever possible.

Funny how after all this the name calling BY YOU guys, and the harassment by your and your admin teams for hours results in exactly what I asked for. You just had to find out he is not who he says he is too.

What name calling? I called you an idiot once...Kevin called you a liar. I'll refrain from discussing the idiot part...but you know how to avoid being called a liar?

Don't lie.

As far as the thief part...I don't recall the context it was used in...but that's between you and Kevin. No comment on that.

By the way..
Your excellent member was also part of roachesrus and also operates a free website selling roaches. None of which have my name, and all of which is falling apart because he does not follow up on his obligations, all of which I don't give 2 shits about. And suddenly since I financed the deal in the very beginning I'm a thief.

So? He didn't contact us saying someone is posting on behalf of his business without authorization...our members are free to advertise in our classifieds section. If we find out they've had a history of scamming customers, we'll put an end to that. So far he had only received positive feedback on our website. Anything else you want to make us aware of in order to try to shift the spotlight off of you?

Allowing people to purposely administer accounts with biz names they don't own after I have proven who owns, controls and administers the website.In mu view this is no different than the one using the false account.

Now we know why now all of your for sale threads are empty because a biz cannot go in and maintain and expect the admins to do anything about it.

You never proved you owned the business! ...and once again, owning the .com domain DOES NOT PROVE YOU ARE THE LEGAL OWNER OF THE BUSINESS!
As a matter of fact, this again emphasizes the point I made recommending that you contact an attorney. This is a classic situation of two former business partners duking it out, a disgruntled employee trying to get revenge, etc...it's grounds for a civil suit...not a freaking email complaint forcing the owner of an unrelated website to get involved.

We take care of what needs to be taken care of on HerpFamily.com...in this case, it was investigating a claim against a member that totally backfired on the person making the claim.

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Well I am not about to let you two guys ruin my day or use up anymore of my valuable time with your trial than necessary.

What we know is I did business with Rene Morales in very beginning and not anyone named Danial pernunni. He (Rene) failed to pay for site design and hosting. The website ownership of name, content, and site design all defaulted back to the registrar .(ME) I might add that all content in the site was handwritten by me, the site code itself hand coded by me.

I do not believe for 1 second Rene's middle name is Danial Pernunni. I cant be responsible for knowing everyone alias's nor can you.

We have also determined that this thread was created because someone got jacked by someone named Danial Pernunni. We have now established exactly who Danial Pernunni is. He is Rene Morales.

If the transaction had been handled as WCR has laid out. He (original poster) would have my name at top of this thread. But it is not. He(original poster) didn't list a name associated with WCR, but an alias of someone.

Again I don't jump to conclusions. At this point I cant claim that his name is really Rene Morales. I can only go buy what the person (Rene) said his name was and what the paypal account states his name is. Rene Morales.

Obviously Rene has a second paypal account altogether that he used to handle this transaction. One named Danial Pernunni. We know this as fact cause that's the name in this thread in the beginning.

Having more than one paypal account is not enough to cause suspicion until they have two very different names on each account.

Rene Morales and Danial Pernunni

Back to my original claim. I do not know Danial Pernunni, never have. I do know Rene Morales and if they are indeed the one in the very same, then by default I would have to know him, but only if I knew both identities at the same time.

You guys only yesterday established the user you had was Danial, and that they are one in the very same.

Now to a partnership.

I was not a partner, only the one who leased it to him (Rene) on a monthly basis. When he(Rene) failed to meet his obligations, I became the owner.

I do not have a partner. I work alone. When he failed I pick it up. I had spent a month hand coding and designing laying out the entire operation. Only to see it dwindle because of ill operation.

Might I also add the name WestCoastRoaches did not exist and Rene was doing business as RoachesRUs and was moving himself from another webmaster. I registered the name WCR and built out the site.

I make no claims and don't speculate what the deal is between that webmaster and Rene.That's between them, and don't concern me.

So there never was any partnership.Now after the first 60 days or so when I was not getting paid for my design work or my hosting everything I had designed, written and coded is now my property. I took full ownership of the site, name and content. Thats when I started getting the emails from pissed customers about short bug counts, extremely late orders, missing items, and shipments that didn't ever show up.

All of which I had to personally cover out of my pocket to protect the name of the business I had worked so hard to create for no payment. I decided to turn it into something that would pay me back for my time and effort.

Rene was asked many times after the lease was dissolved to not use the name and to stay off and out of the social media profiles.None of which he respected. He continued to post for sale threads that people would ultimately come to me pissed about. Eventually at least the emails from his customers stopped so I would have to assume he stopped whatever he was doing.

Then one day I did a search for WESTCOASTROACHES and find this thread. WESTCOASTROACHES Danial Pernunni. I knew nothing of it.

So looking a lil farther I find the information on HerpFamily with posts. Now I am owner of the site, and I see threads from a WestCoastRoaches and its not my account or profile. If he had the account that's cool, but named WestCoastRoaches. I would also like to say he was advertising a package on the page that sold items that were more expensive than listed on the website.

So now we have a listing on your site, that is supposed to be westcoastroaches adverting a package in our name that is more costly than what we sell and no power to change it or alter it.

Hence the request for you to do something as an admin of your site. I left that up to you and sent the email.

Now if we follow the HErpFamily view. I am a liar. In my email I did not make 1 claim as to knowing who the person was on your forums, I only knew it was not me. Could it have been Rene yes. Could I say 100% without a doubt? No your user records are yours, and not for me to see. After all it could have been Danial depending on who he was that day.

The material on your website even though it is pointed to the official address was incorrect and did not match our website prices. Ultimately your members would have ended up paying more for the products than we actually charge.Sounds like a awesome benefit to become a of HerpFamily and pay $20.00 more for products because your a member. Im sure they gonna love that.

Thats just one of the reasons why the content was requested to be removed. It could have been a simple name change on the account. In your phone conversation with (Rene or Danial or Morales or Pununni) Im sure that would have been suitable for Rene as well as myself. Hell he could have changed it himself, but did not. He could have matched his name on your site to match the username he uses on other sites to sell roaches, but did not.

Since I am in the business of slandering people as you put it, notice I did not give the account names he uses to sell on Fauna or on bearded dragon.org or a link to his free webhost he uses to sell. I have left him alone to operate as he please provided its not as WCR

As I stated many times before guys.. I don't care if he sells roaches to the queen England, Jim Hoffa, Elvis or Elmer Fudd as long as he don't do it as WestCoastRoaches leaving me to clean up the messes. I dont care if he is a member of a zillion sites and has positive or negative feedback unless the negative feedback is left in the name of WCR when WCR had nothing to do with the transaction.

In your emails to me I flat out told you I did have dealings with Rene and that I would guess that is who it is. We have indeed established that is who it is.

The only person we have ever had any association with is Rene Morales. Dont know a danial. I think at very least you have rene on your site acting as daniel. I am not the one with false accounts and ID's. I have tried to call you back. Yes i i did set up a new profile on your site. That is not a crime. As you can see in my registration I used the official emails and all as I claim.They match profiles everywhere else. I will also be adding in the next minute to WCR a link to your site so you can see I am who I say I am.

Link will read,
LOcated right side under WCR online.

Herp Family and the title of the link will be. my name is Jon.

Honesty I would not be going thru all this if I didn't own the site and can prove it,

Me clearly stating I did indeed have dealings with Rene and not knowing his alias as Danial.

Yet I am a liar.

I did not answer your phone call and speak with you the previous night. Didn't hear the phone ring, wife was asleep and ringer was low. It would have all been cleared up. Guess that immediately make me a liar, because i didnt jump right on your call.

When asked if I ever had someone affiliated with the name I gave you the name of the person right.

But instead the two partners of HerpFamily jumped right in on me calling me a liar. I call both partners because both seem to be speaking for Herp Family in an official complicity. And if we use their logic, all you have to do to be an official partner is type the name HerpFamily or say your partner as they have allowed Rene or Danial or Morales or Pernunni to do without his own burden of proof.

Point being I was called a liar, had the full burden of proof at my feet, while you took the word of someone who we now know has at least 1 alias and was acting a 3 different people without requiring any shred of proof other than your own judgement.

And your actually gonna sit here on your thrones and put me on trial based on what is nothing more than your own belief and judgement based on a phone of someone we cant even establish the identity of.


Now im not gonna argue with you any more. The content is down from your site, he(Rene or Danial or Morales or Pununni is not operating an account on your site with the WCR name anymore, and we have more than established, you and I both that I am not Danial Pernunni, and that I am the one operating the website as myself, and not anyone else without an alias.

Looks like we all but established everything. We know who I am, who operates the website and who the registrar is. So feel free to continue your biased trail if you like and throw your assumptions around as freely as you have done thus far. As for me, I have a life to live and im not in the business of wasting my time on flat assumptions, not interested in how you feel about the whole fiasco, or who you believe or not. I have a Sunday to get to
 
Herpfamily.com I am just appalled by the way you treat your subscribers. No reputable business would resort to name calling as you did. I will make sure that I share with everyone I know your business practices. I will let them know that if they would like to be labeled an idiot, thief, or liar to come visit you guys. Just simply amazing!
 
Herpfamily.com I am just appalled by the way you treat your subscribers. No reputable business would resort to name calling as you did. I will make sure that I share with everyone I know your business practices. I will let them know that if they would like to be labeled an idiot, thief, or liar to come visit you guys. Just simply amazing!

What is simply amazing is your buying into Jon's BS.

Daniel was running West Coast Roaches long before he met Jon. He approached Jon to build a website for him so he could reach more folks. For some reason... the site was built but he couldn't pay off the bill.

Now.... does that give Jon the authority to ASSUME another persons business name.

As for my business practices... You don't have a clue as to my business practices. There are a whole lot of members here that can tell you I run my business in a respectable manner.

What I did was protect my members from folks that are lacking in integrity and willing to steal someone elses business name. If that makes me a bad guy... so be it. If more folks would step up to the plate then the reptile hobby wouldn't be in the shape its in.

As for the accusations... that was done as an individual. Me banning him from our site was done as a representitive of HF.com.

And further more.... when this started off.... Jon was not a subscriber to our site. We were trying to protect a true subscriber of our site against malicious allegations. Jon is just mad that it backfired on him.
 
Herpfamily.com I am just appalled by the way you treat your subscribers. No reputable business would resort to name calling as you did. I will make sure that I share with everyone I know your business practices. I will let them know that if they would like to be labeled an idiot, thief, or liar to come visit you guys. Just simply amazing!

So I also have to act... would you be Jon's other half... or just Jon using a second account. Yeah.... I was notified of your alter account on here as well. :thumbsup:
 
I am Jon's wife. I know Rene's dealings as well. There is no alter account, this is my account! I've sat here and read your posts and Jon's. I simply stated that it is appalling that you resort to name calling.
 
When it boils down to it.. Jon and Renee are the only one's that know what there business dealings are. For you to sit and assume...well we all know where assuming gets you.
 
There will be measures taken so that no assumptions will need to be made. If I had a customer call me or email me at work and I called them a liar, a thief, and an idiot. I can tell you that I surely would be unemployed. No matter if the customer was right or wrong I would not resort to such childish behavior.
 
When it boils down to it.. Jon and Renee are the only one's that know what there business dealings are.

That is true of many dealings, and misdealings, on the BOI. Often. the buyer and seller, or other parties that have disagreement, are the only ones around when it hits the fan.
That's what the BOI is for, so that both sides can have their say, and onlookers can decide whether future transactions with one, both, or neither are worthwhile.
It's not always perfect, but it beat a shroud of secrecy where subsequent parties have no clue as to who they may want to deal with.
 
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