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Bad Guy D&M REPTILE RESCUE

AGoodwin said:
:iagree: I vaccinate my cats and dog too. It is perfectly legal and sold at feed stores. The only vaccination we cannot do is Rabies.
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There's really no "diagnosing" going on when vaccinations are given, so I'm sure this is why it's perfectly legal to give vaccinations to your own dogs/cats (other than the rabies like you said).
 
Belfry said:
What you are describing is administering medication to your own animal, which is legal to do.

It is illegal for an unlicensed person (who claims to have these abilities) to diagnose, prescribe treatment/medications and perform surgery on another person's animal. The owner is allowed to “practice” up to a point, depending on local laws. If D&M took his reptiles to one of these so-called experts, that person could face either misdemeanor or felony charges (also depending on local laws) for practicing veterinary medicine without a license. I hope I cleared that up.

However, whether he treats the reptiles himself at D&M, or brings them to an unlicensed specialist, I personally wouldn't classify that as valid "veterinary care."
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No where did I claim such things nor had the intentions to imply it. I am unaware of what this man practices so please don't think that's what I meant. In my opinion, most veterinary care can be done at home and doesn't need to be done by a vet.

The website said the money was for "veterinary care" and he was called a theif because he was accused of not spending it on an actual licensed veterinarian. I don't see veterinary care as only done by licensed vet. You are confusing what I am saying with "professional" care which is something different.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veterinary_medicine
 
kouneli said:
There's really no "diagnosing" going on when vaccinations are given, so I'm sure this is why it's perfectly legal to give vaccinations to your own dogs/cats (other than the rabies like you said).
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I can diagnose internal parasites or worms and treat at home. I've done it with many snakes. Now can we stop cluttering this thread with silly arguments. :shrug01:
 
Technical there is diagnosing going on during vaccines. The proper and medicinal way to vaccinate is to have a licensed veterinarian do a full physical exam and verify through that and history that there is no possible illness going on. Diagnosis is "healthy" and vaccines can be properly and safely given.
That being said, there is nothing wrong with vaccinating at home. I dont vaccinate my animals, once they have their puppy or kitten full set of 4-5.
Administering meds is legal, how you obtain certain ones, may not be.
 
I meant to put this on my above post to keep the thread on track. Has anybody else gone today or the last couple days to verify this??
 
I did go today. I called the number David put in his post when I was on my way. I brought him 12 healthy feeder rats. I went with my family, filmed and asked questions while I was there (with everyone's knowledge). The video is HD and 21 min long, it is taking hours to upload to YouTube, I might not be able to post till morning. I didn't edit the video at all and I was very neutral while there. I am going to choose to not express my opinion until the video posts but you will see it is very similar to the pictures.
 
C.Gillis said:
I did go today. I called the number David put in his post when I was on my way. I brought him 12 healthy feeder rats. I went with my family, filmed and asked questions while I was there (with everyone's knowledge). The video is HD and 21 min long, it is taking hours to upload to YouTube, I might not be able to post till morning. I didn't edit the video at all and I was very neutral while there. I am going to choose to not express my opinion until the video posts but you will see it is very similar to the pictures.
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I am glad you were able to go and tape it. I was hoping someone would, there was a lot of talk of different people going but I dont know if anyone really wanted to accept his terms. I am glad that you did.
 
Thank you, Charlotte. I look forward to seeing the video. We all appreciate you going out of your way to help clear things up.
 
That's not a big deal. I would have assumed it was so he could fix some husbandry issues but I guessnot.
 
That's reasonable. I would have thought it would be to straighten up some questionable husbandry but I guess not.
 
Here is the link to the video. Sorry about the quality, I was just walking around with my cell phone asking questions. I am familiar with David, we have met multiple times over the years. This was a friendly visit and all my questions were answered. I personally did not aprove of most of what I saw but I held my tounge and took this footage so people could see for themselves.
http://youtu.be/WgbJ0PkGoGg
 
C.Gillis said:
Here is the link to the video. Sorry about the quality, I was just walking around with my cell phone asking questions. I am familiar with David, we have met multiple times over the years. This was a friendly visit and all my questions were answered. I personally did not aprove of most of what I saw but I held my tounge and took this footage so people could see for themselves.
http://youtu.be/WgbJ0PkGoGg
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So it goes right back to garbage :c
He told me that its cleaned every Saturday not almost every other day and the Saturday bit is more likley than the every other day thing considering the ammount of rotted food in there. When I went it was so rotted I actually scooped out pounds of glob black mold. The beardie got new lights too when I was there it was a fifty watt basking lamp. Just the one. And with regards to rats he just keeps them till they die, and not even from a snake, some just die. Some die when he catches them, why is this poison?
 
David truly believes that he is doing good by these animals. He and Melanie are not villains and this is in no way a personal attack. It was nice of them to have us over and film this and I thank them for letting us in and answering my questions. These animals by law are their possessions and they may charge whatever they want to re-home them and they may call it adoption, re-homing or selling so I didn't go into that too much with them. In my opinion this facility, which is also their home, is not a rescue but a hoard. Some animals are in better condition than others. The tegu wasn't too thin but it's toes were cracked and some bleeding, it needed better husbandry but wasn't an animal cruelty case. The gopher snake and the bearded dragon both seemed fine to me. I was very upset by the dead/dying pack-rats in a filthy tank with no food or water. The tortoises enclosures, food (compost) and filth I found appalling not to mention how many metal twist ties, rubber bands and onions that were in there. The pythons and boas needed to be housed and fed better and most likely have parasites from the pack rats but they would most likely be fine with just those changes. The water turtles were filthy and way over crowded but I didn't see any sickness or shell rot. I did not believe that the no bottom jaw iguana is a different one than the one I heard about last summer, it just seems to strange to have two iguanas with the same rare injury at the same rescue and after seeing it in person I am shocked that animals control didn't take her in. If she had been a dog, cat or parrot with that extensive of injuries and no vet care, I believe they would have.
I truly hope that D&M surrenders some if not all of these animals to better homes so they can maintain their health and home more comfortably, they really are struggling and I hope they stop running a rescue.
 
C.Gillis said:
David truly believes that he is doing good by these animals. He and Melanie are not villains and this is in no way a personal attack. It was nice of them to have us over and film this and I thank them for letting us in and answering my questions. These animals by law are their possessions and they may charge whatever they want to re-home them and they may call it adoption, re-homing or selling so I didn't go into that too much with them. In my opinion this facility, which is also their home, is not a rescue but a hoard. Some animals are in better condition than others. The tegu wasn't too thin but it's toes were cracked and some bleeding, it needed better husbandry but wasn't an animal cruelty case. The gopher snake and the bearded dragon both seemed fine to me. I was very upset by the dead/dying pack-rats in a filthy tank with no food or water. The tortoises enclosures, food (compost) and filth I found appalling not to mention how many metal twist ties, rubber bands and onions that were in there. The pythons and boas needed to be housed and fed better and most likely have parasites from the pack rats but they would most likely be fine with just those changes. The water turtles were filthy and way over crowded but I didn't see any sickness or shell rot. I did not believe that the no bottom jaw iguana is a different one than the one I heard about last summer, it just seems to strange to have two iguanas with the same rare injury at the same rescue and after seeing it in person I am shocked that animals control didn't take her in. If she had been a dog, cat or parrot with that extensive of injuries and no vet care, I believe they would have.
I truly hope that D&M surrenders some if not all of these animals to better homes so they can maintain their health and home more comfortably, they really are struggling and I hope they stop running a rescue.
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my question, why did animal control think this was ok? None of it is, you wouldnt be ok with giving a dog metal ties and plastic so why is it ok for a tort, when i was there his excuse was "they eat around it".
 
dinosaurdammit said:
my question, why did animal control think this was ok? None of it is, you wouldnt be ok with giving a dog metal ties and plastic so why is it ok for a tort, when i was there his excuse was "they eat around it".
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Because the sad reality is, while animals in general are lacking rights when it comes to abuse, reptiles lack them even more so.

They are reptiles, not cute little furry kittens and puppies. They are not animals that are suffering from emotional neglect. Most ACOs probably have no clue what the requirements of reptile husbandry is, let alone what is the bare minimum and what is ideal. The way the ACOs see it, these animals are being "cared for" by a "rescue" and, therefore, not their problem or burden. They lack the facilities to handle them properly anyway.

Sometimes you run across a humane society or an animal control group that will care, but it is not super common.

Animal Control sees animals contained with food and water, that's all.
 
ShadowAceD said:
Because the sad reality is, while animals in general are lacking rights when it comes to abuse, reptiles lack them even more so.

They are reptiles, not cute little furry kittens and puppies. They are not animals that are suffering from emotional neglect. Most ACOs probably have no clue what the requirements of reptile husbandry is, let alone what is the bare minimum and what is ideal. The way the ACOs see it, these animals are being "cared for" by a "rescue" and, therefore, not their problem or burden. They lack the facilities to handle them properly anyway.

Sometimes you run across a humane society or an animal control group that will care, but it is not super common.

Animal Control sees animals contained with food and water, that's all.
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In other places failure to provide for an animal in which it can thrive is considered animal neglect. http://www.jarrowandhebburngazette.com/news/local-news/gulity-of-cruelty-to-reptiles-1-3009852

failure to provide heat and diet were enough here:

"He had earlier denied causing unnecessary suffering to reptiles in his home by failing to keep them warm.

He also denied failing to provide a green iguana with a suitable diet, and letting a soft-shelled turtle and leopard gecko suffer pain and disease between the same dates."


These animals require special needs and if they are not met then it is unfit for the animal to live like that, diet and light are important to many different species to thrive and function. Its one thing to have husbandry slightly off but its another to have things way off. I dont remember off the top of my head but C.Gillis did you see ubv lighting in the iggies or the water turts or tegu? When I went there was none and I dont think when it gets cold the torts have the proper heat and I think the same goes with the iguanas, I think the iggies would have to fight for basking spots because there really is only one basking spot in the iggy cage when I went that offered any real heat. Phoenix herp has offered to help but I dont think he will want to give them up to them and i feel like C.Gillis that he feels hes doing right so it might be hard to get him to understand things REALLY need to change in order for those animals to thrive.
 
This guy seems more like a hoarder than a "rescue" that place is trashed with stuff everywhere. He seems like he has a hard time parting with anything. Sad the animals are suffering because of his problem.
 
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