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Bad Guy Alyy White Spindown Reptiles

Lucille said:
The asking price in most ads is an invitation for an offer, not the offer itself, except in very specific circumstances. Further, there are always further details such as shipping.
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We are going to have to disagree on this then.

If you agree to pay the asking price plus shipping, shipping details are not a material element of the agreement when they are pretty industry standard for reptile sales(ie next day air).


And even we agreed legally, I'm not sure your position lives up to the BOI "doing the right thing" standard. The immediate oral response to "I'll take them" should have been: "I'm waiting on other offers, as price is not the only factor I'm considering" because that is not standard in reptile sales....
 
People tell me they will take what I am selling every day and many do not pay. Those, too, are not sales. Funds were not yet sent. Having sat on both sides of these kinds of transactions as both an enthusiastic desiring-to-be-buyer and "experienced" seller, I feel for both parties, but logically side with the seller in terms of how this played out.
 
Bobby Douglass said:
So if someone says the price is $650 it doesn't really mean the price is $650? Where did you come up with that?
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It may be that the price will be $650. Look at what I actually said. An advertisement is an invitation to an offer in most cases and there are good business reasons for that. Check out contract law.


Lloyd Heilbrunn said:
And even we agreed legally
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I hope we do, Lloyd. There was no acceptance. You cannot accept something that is an invitation for an offer, and you cannot even accept a valid offer 'pending discussion' on important items such as shipping and payment, in these circumstances where the buyer and seller did not have prior course of dealing.

As far as your point about how the seller responded, I think you are right, she really should have said something to indicate that she may have had other offers or even that she would wait for further offers. That she did not is certainly something we can agree was less than appropriate, but it still does not turn what happened into a sale.
 
Why should a seller have to indicate they were entertaining other offers at all? IMHO, entertaining other offers is the seller's business at that stage in the discussion. Yes, it sounds like she's leading them on, but I also happen to know buyers tend to think of an animal as "theirs" as soon as they begin the discussion with the owner. This can make them defensive and aggressive if the seller decides they were not a good fit for the animals involved. No deposit was put down, or even discussed, so this person has no final claim to those animals whatsoever. End of story.
 
Just want to point out a few things: I never planned on selling my adult blueys. This was a new thing to me...and the ad had been up A DAY AND A HALF. I was entertaining offers. Was talking to several people on several different sites... and again...it said so in the ads that I didn't save SMH

I normally sell sand boas. They have a set price, they have a set shipping method, etc. This is the FIRST time I've EVER sold blueys. I usually sell in locally, so I apologize if my openness with the seller was something I should have kept to myself. Wasn't even sure if I'd have to ship, and as the ad had been up for so short a time, I didn't have supplies yet...its not exactly hard to go to the store and buy shipping supplies in about 30 mins.
 
"and we even agreed legally"....

no. that is false. I NEVER mislead the interested party that I was entertaining offers, and I NEVER ONCE ACCEPTED ANYTHING other than the fact that they were interested in a price of $650 for my lizards. I am very careful to only say what I mean, especially in matters like this.
 
Allyssa I think you misunderstand. I believe Lloyd is saying that even if he agreed legally with my premise that an ad is an invitation for an offer (and as such there can't be a contract created merely by saying 'I'll take it') that he had further issues (which he enumerated and I agreed with).
 
Lucille said:
It may be that the price will be $650. Look at what I actually said. An advertisement is an invitation to an offer in most cases and there are good business reasons for that. Check out contract law.
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Contract law has no relevance here. I never said she was legally obligated to do anything. I don't even think the seller did anything wrong. I'm just saying I understand why the "buyer" misunderstood and was disappointed. What's wrong with that?
 
CMReptiles said:
You were the one trying to delete things from a board where it's expressly forbidden to do so. Excuse me for pointing out that your immature rear end is now here for everyone to see and witness...and there's nothing you can do about it.
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Another pathetic post.
 
Lloyd Heilbrunn said:
While it appears that a lot of the responses are friends of the seller, I am astounded that people seem 100% on her side. If someone offers to sell me an animal for $650 and I accept that offer, I have a binding agreement, and should get that animal unless I fail to pay in a reasonable time. Although it would be nice to see the emails.
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Total agreement. Although the accused here Should be given some slack as she thought someone else kinda', maybe, sorta', woulda' taken better care of the animal while paying less for it. I can see that....
 
Chris Kennard said:
That's called an "auction" that only the seller knows about.
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That is not an auction. I have things I list for sale and I receive ample response for. Many say they will pay or say they want it. Some fail to follow through and multiple folks may be sincere, but the one I first get payment from is the buyer. Second fastest is not fast enough. It is not an auction, as those are seeking highest bid and I am seeking my asking price.

The seller here was seeking the money and a home for the animal in a mix that was to her liking. Another party satisfied both conditions sooner than an alternative party and the deal was closed with that party who paid. She can sell what she owns to whomever she wants for her own reasons and is not obligated to do otherwise due to our potentially conflicting perspectives or opinions.
 
nickolasanastasiou said:
That is not an auction. I have things I list for sale and I receive ample response for. Many say they will pay or say they want it. Some fail to follow through and multiple folks may be sincere, but the one I first get payment from is the buyer. Second fastest is not fast enough. It is not an auction, as those are seeking highest bid and I am seeking my asking price.

The seller here was seeking the money and a home for the animal in a mix that was to her liking. Another party satisfied both conditions sooner than an alternative party and the deal was closed with that party who paid. She can sell what she owns to whomever she wants for her own reasons and is not obligated to do otherwise due to our potentially conflicting perspectives or opinions.
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I don't disagree with you. I don't believe the spouse's intentions were the same. I agreed with the OP within the first two pages of this thread. Not because of his posts. But because of her responses. I may be totally off base, but I doubt it. I wouldn't do business with her. Judging from this thread.
 
Chris Kennard said:
I don't disagree with you. I don't believe the spouse's intentions were the same. I agreed with the OP within the first two pages of this thread. Not because of his posts. But because of her responses. I may be totally off base, but I doubt it. I wouldn't do business with her. Judging from this thread.
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Hate this phone! Don't know how it translated accused to spouse's. Anywho...
 
I'm just going to say this: AT NO POINT DID I EVER INTEND TO MISLEAD. I am NEW at selling things that are not sand boas. To say I'm a "bad guy" for not choosing the right words from inexperience is unfair.

I'm clearly beyond wrong to trust the people that contact me, or to expect any leeway in being a new seller. I apologized...not sure what else is expected from me. I have a lot of HAPPY customers, all local. This has taught me to keep a complete paper trail from beginning to end though. Guess its a valuable lesson...don't trust anyone.
 
I guess I'm unsure why my responses would make you think I'm a bad person...please understand I can't help what friends (just FYI I only know maybe TWO people on here...and one is a LOOSE ACQUAINTANCE.) or strangers say, whether here or otherwise. Judging ME for what they say is wrong.
 
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