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Bad Guy Amanda & Mike Webb of The Pet Gecko

They are on the list for Denver.

:(

We were planning on attending, and making at least two prior arranged purchases there as well as doing some Easter shopping. That's not going to happen now. I just can't risk it.

A known crypto vendor is just too risky for us right now.
 
I am really wanting to go to the show so if someone could pm me if they have dealt with it or know a lot about it that would be great. I have mostly snakes but a few lizards and no geckos. I do not want to risk bringing something like this back to my house. I understand if it happens and no one knows about it but that's not the case here. Thanks
 
The Denver Repticon List of Vendors that is currently posted is last years list of vendors. Being a frequent vendor with Repticon, the entire staff has been informed of this post. Should Billy / Larry / Patty and staff refuse to honor the request of frequent vendors and allow them to vend, the Denver show will be extremely small, with under a handful of vendors.

I know right off hand 7 vendors whom have made this call, and Repticon has been informed.

Thanks.
Byron Gillen
JAKL Reptiles
 
lol I was about to make a new post with your message. That is good to know. Im not sure who those to are but what about any of the other shows. I sent Lynn a Pm today on FB but I know they have gone to out of state shows.
 
James I do know them personally, and purchased from them years ago ( sugar gliders). I've also noted their activities online. But from a personal perspective, their behavior, Mike's lack of professionalism and blunt contradiction in statements, I do believe that they have / had / still have Crypto in their collection.

Again, as a breeder and vendor myself, this is something serious that I have to evaluate when signing up to vend shows. They would not be the 1st vendor to be blocked / banned.. nor the last. But unfortunately this has occurred and enough vendors are aware if the personal risk

I'm sure repticon would rather have 30+ happy vendors vs 6-7 vendors, and a serious negative feedback from the general public.
 
I agree. I have never met them but will not go to a show that could cause me to get my animal sick. And I do not want others to lose parts/full collection because they were not informed. I have watch the Webb's reptile group on FB day in and day out and nothing was or will ever be mentioned. Its something that another local is going through with there BPs (Byron im sure you have seen the posts) and would not wish it on anyone. Even if I never bought from them, as long as they are selling, my animals could be as risk and that is not right. As with anyone else who has seen this page. They sell all sorts of stuff and from what I have read birds, snakes and lizards can all carry it. Some of us work hard to care for the animals and I would hate to seem some lost because someone decided not to care about this.
 
I am really wanting to go to the show so if someone could pm me if they have dealt with it or know a lot about it that would be great. I have mostly snakes but a few lizards and no geckos. I do not want to risk bringing something like this back to my house. I understand if it happens and no one knows about it but that's not the case here. Thanks

Just as with pedophiles, with something like a vendor selling potentially infected animals, it's not the ones you know about that are the only problem. The Webbs have outed themselves as unprofessional and a possible source for a devastating parasite. But they'll be easy to avoid, whereas others who may also harbor it will not.

As for how to keep from bringing Crypto (or any disease/parasite, really) back to your house or collection? Limit or completely avoid handling any animals at the show. Wash your hands (not just using hand sanitizer, but washing with soap and water to mechanically remove any possible eggs/bacteria/etc). Change clothes and possibly even shower before going near your collection after the show. And if you buy anything, maintain a strict quarantine for a minimum of 90 days and have the animal(s) fully vetted during that quarantine period. Paranoia probably won't help, but a healthy dose of caution will. I know this incident has made me even more cautious than before.
 
I received an email from Larry, one of the coordinators, after sending him an email yesterday with concerns of the crypto problem. It read as follows...


We have contacted them with this concern but as for them vending, they aren't booked for either show in Missouri. We have a vet that is to give a thorough inspection and test of there animals before returning to a show with us.

Hope this helps.



Larry Martinets
Repticon, Deep South Vendor Coordinator
Cell (678) 699-3034
www.Repticon.com
If you are unable to reach me and require immediate assistance:
Repticon Main Office (FL): 863-268-4273
Office Hours: Monday - Thursday 9:00am-4:00pm EST
 
I don't mean to derail the thread at all, but I am a new reptile owner (I have one young corn snake) and I was planning to adopt a ball python and possibly also a kenyan sand boa from International Reptile Rescue at the Repticon in Salt Lake City at the end of May. I have been diligent in my research about this rescue and was getting pretty excited about it. :( The Pet Gecko vended the february even here but I do not, as of now, see The Pet Gecko on the vender list but if they do appear there, and me and other Utah folks cannot get them to cancel, should I forgo the event? If so, it's tragic that animals who need good homes will not be adopted because of these unprofessional jerks!
Again, sorry if it was unacceptable to post this in this thread.

Jessica Keenan
 
Ugh, they are listed I was looking in the wrong place. Maybe I can get the rescue group to meet me somewhere before the show if I choose an animal and pay the adoption fee in advance.
 
Just had an update for everyone, I was checking repticons list of vendors and the Pet Gecko is no longer there. So for everyone that was concerned about their own pets getting sick can now be at ease going to repticon in April.
 
Still on the list for Salt Lake in May, but I asked if they would be attending (very nicely) on their Facebook page and was told that there is no way for them to know their plans that far in advance.:shrug01:
 
Since this has not died down yet, and there is a lot of false stuff going around I feel the need to make a statement. First off I want to apoligize to the girl I cursed out. During the month of
Feb and early March I had multiple surgeries and should not have been making public statements at that time. It was a rough month. But I need to point out a few things here.
Yes, this did not get handled well. But the fact remains that the gecko in question still has a
Negative autopsy report, and the positive was from a home test. Highly effective but not 100 percent.
Now I am not a rich person by any means, so no I could not and cannot afford to test
The few hundred geckos i have individually at 25 bucks a pop. Especially with the hugely
Successful breeding season we are currently having. I did like I said and sent off as many as I could afforsand those were negative. I also can do my own stains at home and have and even though they are not 100 percent they are free for me to do myself. Now I understand that nobody here is going to take my
Word on that and I accecpt that, but its the truth. I also commonly hit all my animals with de wormer just to be safe. I KNOW THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CRYPTO, but its part of my protocol. Now let me say right now, I can start posting proof of this stuff shortly if need be. Now we get on to the good parts.
I need to start with the ringleader here it seems, Heather Johnson.. you have had a personal
Vendetta with my wife for years. It all goes back to when we got some very sick geckos from some good
Freinds of yours, who I am not mentioning yet,because I dont think they are running their mouths right now And Amanda settled it with them at the shawnee show earlier in 2013 where byron gillen on here came to attend because we convinced him to and traded me a ball for a bunch of leopard geckos he had to have, but we will get to that shortly.. Now the majority of the people I am seeing here have either never dlne business with me, clain they have but dont go into details or are a competitor of mine. Just people sitting around and judging. This part is gonna be real good for them. If i choose to vend a show, most promoters are still willing to let me in with veterinary proof I have healthy animals. Not a problem, AND I can have it done by an outside vet, not where I work just so foul play is not
Suspected. Now lets jump on to Byron gilen and this Denver group of vendors. Byrons last purchase from me was at the Utah show not "years ago" I even let him pay me a few days later via paypal. Got proof jf it.. And we have done regular business for 2 years now and I considered him a freind of mine so his post really hurts. What a shitty freind.. Hell just a couple weeks ago he was asking about buying all my flying geckos and some veilds from me. Got copies of that too. Now even though I considered him a freind I was always leary of him, I learned this when he attended a show in tulsa last summet after I moved anf asked if he didnt mind picking up some banded geckos and toads for me from a freind. But my freind didnt have paypal so if he had the cash pick em up and I would meet him on his way back for them. Well tirns out byron didnt come back with them, not a big deal that was just a favor anyways, but he told the guy he could only pay him in leopards geckos and gave the guy the assumtion they were my
Geckos he took to sale. Byron told me the guy would never give him any pricea so he wouldnt do it
Not that he prices were his business anyway. Then I knew not to fully trust byron, but I just blew it off Hell i enjoyed his perverted company. And I can go on with more stories like that, but this next one sums the rwst up about my former freind here because I know he is just about money with this one and that is why him and the rest of that group want me out of the shows. Back earlier this year you traded a glider for a bunch of gecko morphs and tiny baby veilds and were just thrilled you got all these badass morphs soo heap in the trade. You got my dear wife to verify the morphs for you. She flat out told you the raptors were plain albinos and soo forth and they were thin, had mbd abd looked like shit and the veilds were 1/4 the size they should be sold at, but you didnt care because of the price, you started selling them before the dude left the show. Funny part is you were wrong about the glider morph and you both totally screwed the other, now of course when you got home you started posting pics of the babies saying jakl now producing
Baby veilds!!! And you have been trying to buy my breeder veilds ever since.
WOW what a freind you were, I forgot to mention when i had that first emergency surgery in denver right before the rocky mountain expo, your wife mel offered to give me a ride from the hospital to the show because i was getting discharged the sat of the show and how I sat there for hours and ended up calling a taxi for a ride because she worked all night and didnt show to get me. But She is a nice person and I never held that against her or you. It was a nice favor if it would have happened. Moving on to the rest of
Your possible crew. First they all hate us because we have better geckos ay better prices and we do Kill your sales at shows. Funny thing is your all selling some of my friggin geckos.. one of em if is is still around did some massive trades with us, but we didnt know he was selling our geckos to everybody else which caused a problem at a show over a who bred this diablo blanco or is it a shatter eye blizzard. Long story short he sold all his geckos to multiple local breeders then sold the racks they were in to another.
So that leaves just about every one of them with my geckos or racks that held my geckos. Most are not publically talking crud that I know of so Ill omit their names for now, I am usually a very
Respectful person in that way. Doesnt show here, but I am. So if people are going at my throat to get me banned most like mr gillen here have dirty motives. Still in shock a freind would do that what a prick. Been to my home one time when i was moving here and always told people we were the best of the best and I did the same in return. And anybody else on here that got a crappy animal from me, you didnt bring it to my attention or I would have handled it, hopefully the right way and not the way I recently did. Now I am not asking anybody here for any redemption, I just needed to point a few things out because this has spiraled soo far out of control. If I must start posting paypal transactions, pm messages, text and emails hen so be it, but there are soo many credible witnesses to all this I dont think I will need to. I can post pics of my microscope and slides and stains, Ill get my hard copy crypto test results in hard copy from my reptile vet who handles my health cerificates and post them soon with my health cerificate signed as well.
And I regardless of show rules I will have a current health cerificate covering every animal I have for sale, which I already have as well. Yes this sucks this girls gecko died. And nobody seems to mention the pinworm egg that is in the autopsy which is common, but the reason I de worm. And I did de worm everyhing before that show because when I get health certificates If I fail a fecal I cant get one. So if there was only 1 egg at least that was working. But I am embarrassed that it had any. Nobody mentions how a parasite load of something common like the pinworm egg that was found can manifest similar conditions to crypto or how a big dose of wormer can cause stress on the liver and kidneys as well as the parasite itself. I did offer to send meds at first. Would have been a pro biotic that is over the counter to re build benificial bacteria after getting wiped out by something like panacur. And I have vet reciepts going back to 2011 showing that I commonly got panacur, baytril, metro etc. To treat animals as needed as any responsible breeder does. And I still feel today that if she would have taken my advice she would have a hralthy gecko without crypto. But with the variables given I can see how the home test could have been a false positive. Even with negative autopsy results nobody else can. About like taking a home pregnacy test and going to the doctor and finding out your not. That never happens either I suppose.. Anyhow enough is enough. There is plenty here to keep everybody busy for days. Ill add more as needed to verify every single word of it. Respectfully-Mike Webb
Also a very personal Thank You to the Customers, fellow vendors, and promoters that are
Standing by our side and handling this in a professional matter. If you dont have the cahones to talk to me privatly about a matter before talking smack, then you shouldnt be talking at all.
 
Wow Mike,
Drawn out strait on attack against me HUH.. Please get your facts strait before posting ok. I'm not going to flail and carry out the bunch of bull$hit like you did, No need to defend myself here considering you cant even keep your own correspondences to coincide with one another. BUT in regards to one of your comments, please enjoy the picture :)http://http://i1048.photobucket.com...Screenshot2014-03-24at80247PM_zps21f4cd07.png
now of course when you got home you started posting pics of the babies saying jakl now producing
Baby veilds!!! And you have been trying to buy my breeder veilds ever since.
 

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First and most importantly the necropsy was not negative for crypto, it was inconclusive because the intestines had started to decompose. And it was not a "home test" like you make it sound. It was a poop sample collected at home and sent to one of the leading labs in the country to be tested for crypto DNA.
Now to the less important but I will address. If you consider me a ring leader that's fine but only in my part of the country to try and keep you from selling at shows I go to because I know everything Angela said is true and knew about all of it as it was happening. I never had a vendetta against Amanda but truth be told I didn't like her much after almost buying from her. But I made my purchase elsewhere and when I was showing off my purchase( from a breeder I had never met before that day but had chatted with on fb just like I had with her but I guess that's the friend you are referring to) she pm'd me saying all kinds of bad things about the breeder I bought from. I talked to that breeder about it and felt safe with my purchase. He's my male breeder this year and I've never even needed to deworm him btw. When Angela asked for opinions privately about her situation without telling who the gecko came from I already knew she had recently bought from you and the only thing I told her about Amanda was my dealings mentioned above and I told her about a purchase I made with you guys for some gecko key chains that went bad with shipping. And instead of telling the truth you kept lying to me about them being shipped so when they truly did get lost in the mail Amanda sent a pic of the receipt with tracking info and it had the date on it to prove you had lied 2-3 times to me about when you shipped it out. That is the only purchase I ever made from you and you guys even screwed that up IMO. So if I look like a ring leader with a vendetta it's because Angela is my friend and do truly hope you never bother coming to Kansas to vend ever again.


Heather Johnson with KC Geckos
 
Since this has not died down yet
Did you think that important issues such as gecko health would just go away? And did you think your horrendous language to an innocent buyer would be excused? Not then, not now.


Our animals are regularly tested for all parasites including
Crypto. As soon as you mentioned you had a sick gecko we did stains AND PCR test, and every
Single animal we have available for sale was vet checked by a
2nd vet


I could not and cannot afford to test
The few hundred geckos i have individually at 25 bucks a pop. Especially with the hugely
Successful breeding season we are currently having. I did like I said and sent off as many as I could affors


These posts do not inspire confidence in the health of your geckoes.
 
These posts do not inspire confidence in the health of your geckoes.

It basically feels like we're waiting for another unsuspecting person to buy a gecko from them and have it die from crypto, here. At least then perhaps he will acknowledge that this is actually a real problem that's not going to magically disappear if he denies it loudly enough.

Michael, the past drama you've had with people in this thread is completely irrelevant.

The original poster had the most accurate test possible done to confirm crypto. You have spent all your time denying the validity of that test and talking it down as a "home test" in an effort to make it seem less reliable. Your arguments are ridiculous. Veterinarians send their samples to the same lab she sent hers to, yet you insist that veterinarians are somehow more accurate at testing for crypto. Even though they send their samples to THE SAME PLACE.

If you want a snowball's chance in hell at resolving this, then pull all your geckos off the market. Don't sell animals until you can afford to test all of them and can publicly post the results. Quarantine them until they die or you can afford the tests.
 
I will be at Repticon in April in Denver. I will print this up and stand at the door and pass it out to everyone that walks through the door. I have seen your prices and have to say you are not the cheapest out best prices and most geckos ofyours don't look that great. Most are dull our skinny By the way I am not a competitor. I breed Retics and burms and the I occasional ball python. Please do not show up even with a vet certificate. I as well as many others will not believe it.
 
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