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Info Ashley Caspillo-SakaraGT4/Sakara *Possible Buyer Beware!*

Fair enough, but I've had three separate vets do such procedures on my exotics, twice being reptile and once being small mammal. If they are not comfortable in doing it, then they need to not see exotic animals. It's ridiculous.
 
The inexperience of the vet with anesthesia on reptiles could be another excuse not to go through with testing... just saying.
 
Well it looks like it's high time I posted here..... this is a very long post so bear with me, but some background info is required and I need to reply to some previous comments.

Well since my name has been brought up numerous times already, it’s time for everyone to know the reasons for my association with Ashley Caspillo and why my boas and GTP is with her.
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A little background on me first, since I hardly post on Fauna except for classifieds. I’ve kept herps that I’d catch in my backyard growing up, and had a ball python, iguana, snapping turtle, and a yellow rat between 1992 and 1995. I count my serious collection start date as March 2000. In 2004 I moved to Gainesville, FL to attend the Santa Fe Teaching Zoo program and I started working for Eugene Bessette at Ophiological Services until mid 2008. There’s a wealth of knowledge you can learn from working a snake farm from one of the pioneers of snake breeding. The two primary aspects of reptile keeping Eugene drilled into my head was quarantine and the importance of record keeping, and I am beyond thankful for him educating me. As of May 2010 my collection consisted of 10 boa constrictors, 12 carpet pythons, 1 chondro, and 3 Amazon tree boas. The oldest in my collection is Galadriel which I got at a pet store in 2000, Altariel is also a pet store boa, but the rest have come from breeders. I produced a litter of Amazons in 2007; 2 boas, 1 carpet clutch, and Amazons again in 2008; 1 boa and 1 carpet in 2009; and 1 boa, 1 carpet, and 1 Amazon in 2010. Unfortunately only the carpet clutch in 2008 went full term, the one in 2009 was given to Eugene to incubate, but they all died, and I lost the clutch from 2010 due to too moist an environment.
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In May 2010 I was offered a seasonal wildlife tech supervisor position for the US Forest Service in Santa Fe, NM to start June 1 and end around early September. I was living in Gainesville, FL at the time, had graduated from UF with a BS in Wildlife Ecology and on a career path to be a biologist. I was hoping this job would be a stepping stone to more field jobs and I could figuratively have my cake and eat it too by still owning my snakes having someone else manage them while still working field jobs across the country. The problem was finding people to take my snakes in so I could work in Santa Fe or else-where in the future. If I couldn’t find anyone to watch them for me I was going to have to turn down the job. I knew Ashley through another online herp forum for about a year or so and felt comfortable in letting her watch my boas and chondro for a while. I had no knowledge of the extent of the IBD issue. I had prior knowledge about the death of the BCL, but attributed its death to being otherwise sick and weak. I did not know it was positive for inclusion bodies at the time I heard about its death. (Note: the mention of IBD was brought up on the thread on 1 December 2010 by another party) She agreed to take my collection, each with their own brand new AP cages for an open ended amount of time. Another friend in Atlanta (who doesn’t have any snakes, just amphibians) took 10 carpets and 3 ATBs, while a good friend in FL watched my pair of Bredli.
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My adults and sub adults were setup in Ashley’s living room (away from her other snakes) in my AP cages on 26 or 27 May 2010. My chondro and my Cay Caulker female were setup in her snake room. One of my female boas produced a litter in June and those were set up in her snake room. Around August, I believe definitely by early October, we started talking about using a couple of my males to breed to her females for this 2011 season, but all breeding plans have ceased when the true extent of the IBD issue came to light (1 Dec 2010) on this thread. I came to visit her a second time on 27 August 2010 to vend the Austin expo and a third final time on 6 October 2010 on my way back to FL from herping the southwest. I have not returned since then.
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When I arrived in 27 August 2010 to vend the Austin reptile expo, on the 28th (Sunday morning) I found mites in with my snakes housed in her living room, and spent most of Monday following the expo cleaning the cages switching to newspaper. She did not find any mites in with hers or my boa offspring in her snake room. The mulch used in their cages was the same mulch that I had pulled out of their cages upon packing them up in May which was new from Lowes on 15 April 2010. I have not had mites in my collection since before 2007. Mites usually take about a month to appear, if the mites came with my snakes hiding in their mulch I believe they should have been seen prior to 27 August 2010. When I visited again on my way back to FL after finishing my job in Santa Fe on 6 October 2010, my snakes still had a few mites.
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Dr. Elliot Jacobson has a new method for detecting the presence of the IBD pathogen in blood samples. I contacted him in late December and he told me that he would not be able to start testing samples until January. Ashley said she would have all of her snakes tested and I want mine as well since mites were present in her house. Blood samples were taken from 3 of her snakes via sedating and a heart stick on 9 March 2010.
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I recently moved to Galveston and had to work a bit to save up enough money to actually move all my stuff, snakes included, from Atlanta and Gainesville to Texas. I have told Ashley I am more than willing to come to take my snakes to the vet she has been using on my regularly scheduled days off. I have asked for her vet's contact info on three occassions without receiving it. I do not want to get my boas at Ashley’s place until both her and my snakes have a clean bill of health by Dr. Jacobson’s standards and advice to prevent any contamination of the clean half of my collection. If any of her snakes come back positive for IBD then I do not want my snakes back and will ask for compensation to my lost investment, on top of the kick in the teeth to loosing my kids.
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Now to reply to various comments.
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I found a couple mites back in early 2008 after a show on bedding... After that the mites I had were from bedding at NARBC 2009 when I decided to try aspen again... After that I have not had ANY mites since until Kyle's animals got here, which sucks... We found mites on them in late Sept. or Early Oct. and we treated them and none of my animals had them and still don't, BUT I DID treat all mine too...
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The mites showed up on my snakes at Ashley’s on 28 August 2010, the day we were packing up for the Austin, TX reptile expo. They were still there on 6 October 2010 when I visited on my way back to Florida. The cypress mulch that I brought with me was the same mulch that was in their new AP cages since 15 April 2010, about 40 days until relocation to Ashley’s. I have not had any mites previously in my collection since 18 July 2007. The snakes had then been setup in her place for approximately 3 months before mites showed up on them.
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Angel Rojas lied about the jamp... He TOLD me on the phone that the pics he was sending me, and posted on the BOI were "a little older" and he was in shed so he couldn't take new pics... Yes, I paid shipping for the snake, and yes he told me the jamp was very friendly and easy to handle... The jamp is NOT a friendly and easy to handle animal and he DID come with a fucked up mouth... Crystal saw him, her dad saw him, Kyle saw him and a non-herp fried saw him too... All within a few days of my actually getting the snake...
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Yes I saw the adult male jamp in question on 26th, 27th, or 28th May 2010. The snake’s gums were “puffy” and I noticed the deep baytril burns on his sides, which I think Garett C. brought up the point that IM injections should be administered into the muscle closest to the spine. I do not remember much on that specific day because I also saw him on around 27 August 2010 (visiting for Austin Expo) and around 6 October 2010 (on my way back to FL). The condition of the animal blurs together in my mind from seeing him briefly on 3 separate occasions.
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If the mites came from Kyle's animals, as you claim, why keep them? I'd tell that person, friend or not, his mite infested animals could not stay there ... but, my bad ... I'm a responsible person who owns things she does.
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Again I do not believe the mites came from my animals. The bedding was purchased at Lowes in 14 April 2010 and transported with the snakes to Ashley’s on 26 May 2010, a full 40 days later. If the mites indeed came from my bedding or snakes, don’t you think they should have shown up prior to 28 August 2010? It usually takes about a month for the presence of mites to become known.
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To be completely honest, a mite bloom without actually seeing mites for months has happened in my collection previously. On 13 January 2006 I borrowed a male boa to breed with one of my females. I had not seen mites in my collection since 26 October 2005, but upon returning the male around 1 May 2006, mites blossomed in his cage a few days later. I never saw mites in my collection from 26 October 2005 until 3 Jan 2007, but evidence does point that the loaned boa received mites from being in with my females. He did not have any when I picked him up, did not notice any on him or my girls while breeding and never noticed any after the mites appeared at the owner's facility. I still changed bedding and treated my snakes like they did have mites though. The only explanation I can think of would be the eggs were dormant and he picked them up from crawling around. :shrug01: One of the cages (a Boaphile 421D) is at Ashley's place, but was empty at the time if memory serves. Now it's currently holding one of her half dwarf retics.
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you really don't KNOW that the snakes didn't come from the seller with the mites, and to insinuate Kyle's snakes carried them is preposterous. Kyle's snakes were in YOUR care, so therefore they were YOUR responsibility. They came with NO mites, and now you want to insinuate they came from him?
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I'll dispute it.

I've got decades in this hobby. I've bought countless bales of subtrate from various sources. I've yet to have problem with snake mites in bedding.

I've also never run across a fellow keeper who can actually confirm their snake mite problems came from substrate.

Snake mites come from snakes who carry them. Without proper QT procedures how can any one blame this on the bedding?

When you are dealing with multiple new acqusitions, quarantine and prophylactic treatment of external parasites is of paramount importance.

Sticking your thumb up your bum and doing nothing and then blaming the bedding just doesn't cut it.
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Thank you Court, and Rachel and Craig. Since my bedding came from Lowes and was setup in my cages for a full 40 days without seeing mites and then the mite appeared almost 3 months later I do not believe they came from my old location in Florida.
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I'll also ask again:
Did you TELL Dr. Jacobson you'd had MULTIPLE deaths?
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Here is an email correspondence I had with Dr. Jacobson where I informed him of the multiple deaths.
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I know they Kyle is now finding a vet to get his snakes tested, he's concerned about having to have them anesthetized at this point :/
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Partially true... Ashley told me she took them in first and the vet was unable to get blood from a ventral tail stick. So the vet recommended having them brought back to be anesthetized for a heart stick. Having them anesthetized for the heart stick raises my concern.

If anyone has ANY questions I'll be happy to answer then publicly to the best of my ability/knowledge. I'll do my best to check the thread more often now.

Kyle Finn
Ghostfish Herps
www.ghostfishherps.com
[email protected]
 
Ugh the print screens are very small.... here's the text from the email with Dr. Jacobson:

From: Kyle Finn [[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 11:06 PM
To: Jacobson,Elliott R
Cc: Ashley Caspillo
Subject: Liver biopsy on suspected IBD boa

Hi Dr. Jacobson,

Let me first introduce myself, my name is Kyle Finn. I am a previous employee of Eugene Bessette and have met you a couple times when you've visited his facility. I'm the tall thin guy with long hair. A friend and I would very much like some information on IBD related to her case. I am very much interested in getting her snakes tested for IBD because she's currently housing 10 of my boa constrictors.

She had a juvenile boa constrictor (Boa constrictor longicauda) die in November 2009 and the necropsy report showed intracytoplasmic inclusion bodies in the liver, intestines, and brain. I have attached images of the necropsy report (the original unfortunately has been misplaced). Three other snakes have died shortly after the boa (a burmese python, a boa constrictor, and reticulated python) though none of them showed inclusion bodies in their pathology reports. The burmese python did have anorexia, problems with locomotion, and a case of stomatitis. The burm's necropsy report is attached as well. I would lilke your thoughts on whether or not I should be concerned for the well being of both her's and my collections.

I know that a liver biospy can be performed to determine presence of IBD, would you (or the Vet School) be able to perform this test and diagnose the findings? She lives in Texas and I live here in Gainesville. Would it be best for her to find a vet close to her to do the biopsy and send the samples to the Vet School for analysis or have her ship a couple snakes here for testing at the Vet School?

Thank you for your time. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to call me.

Kyle Finn
352-870-6497

RE: Liver biopsy on suspected IBD boa
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To: Kyle Finn <[email protected]>
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10 IBDReview JexoticPet.pdf (3013KB)
Kyle:

I am always concerned when several snakes die in a collection over short period of time. The Texas Diagnostic Laboratory path report sounds typical of IBD. In November I received images of a boa constrictor with IBD from the Texas Diagnostic Lab.They may be from the same snake. The inclusions were numerous and typical. Some snakes appear to have many inclusions and some few. Some may only have them in the brain and some in very specific areas of the brain. I have seen cases where there is inflammation in the brain and those with none. It is possible that some of these snakes have both IBD and another pathogen (possibly a virus). Unfortunately trying to sort this out is expensive and labor intensive. I have a grad student, Rita Chang, who is working on IBD for her PhD research. She has developed an antibody that recognizes the IBD protein and can stain it. Our current recommendation is to first screen blood films of suspect snakes. At least with boa constrictors, many with IBD have inclusions in the blood. I do not know if pythons also have peripherally circulating cells with inclusions since relatively few cases of IBD are being reported in pythons. With boas, we do not know how many snakes that have no inclusions in blood still have inclusions in internal tissues. We do not have enough cases where snakes have been completely worked up to no what the correlation is. However, when we identify the inclusions in blood we definitely know that that snake has IBD. So we are now use this as the first screening test for IBD. If a snake turns out to be negative then other diagnostics would be needed. The test is expensive and is $100.00 per blood sample. Whole blood in lithium heparin tubes is needed for testing. This is shipped to us on ice packs overnight. Rita Chang who does the processing and staining of these samples will be gone for one month and will have the test running soon after she returns in early January.

See attached paper that just came out that reviews IBD. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

Elliott Jacobson
Professor of Zoological Medicine
 
Partially true... Ashley told me she took them in first and the vet was unable to get blood from a ventral tail stick. So the vet recommended having them brought back to be anesthetized for a heart stick. Having them anesthetized for the heart stick raises my concern.

To further expound upon this statement, blood was taken from Ashley's 3 snakes and sent for testing. As far as I know the vet is experienced in anesthetizing reptiles since Ashley's snakes recovered from the anesthesia. My concern is that I believe the anesthesia procedure was unnecessary.
 
Kyle, my comment of mites coming from your collection was not accusatory.

It was largely sarcasm used to point out the fact that Ashley is an irresponsible (insert colorful adjectives and nouns here), that refuses to own up to anything. She just tries to pawn it off on other people.
 
Watch out folks she is trying to get snakes from DFWHS that got alot of big snakes in a raid. Mostly retics and Burms. As you could guess she is all over this already. So if any of you know anymore about it tell them to keep an eye out.
 
Ridiculous..She has a responsibility to pay for Kyle's snakes' testing before anything! I cannot fathom why she would even be considering adding to her collection.
 
I highly doubt that Tim is on good terms with her. I am sure he does not want to create conflict but it is hard for me to beleive that he is buddy buddy with her. He is on the Texas reptile forum and she is no longer on there from what I have seen. Tim is the expert around here and I don't think he would associate with anyone who could potentially damage his reputation or make all his animals sick. I know he has a large collection.
 
As far as I know, Tim Cole ie on pretty good terms with her, so good luck with that.

Didn't he comment earlier about letting the NARBC show promoters know that she might show up? If they're on good terms, why would he suggest something that might have hindered her getting in?

I trust Tim would do what's right and let them know.
 
Well hopefully posting that info here will enable others to also look out for her, and it shows she has ZERO intentions of not adding to her collection. Hopefully this helps spread the word and keeps her from getting any MORE snakes, especially ones that have had such a rough background anyways. This is just...frustrating.
 
As far as I know, Tim Cole ie on pretty good terms with her, so good luck with that.

A person is more likely to confide or share information with those who are not antagonistic.

I want to know her test results as much as everyone else does.

Not that Ashley is my enemy but keeping an enemy close is the best way to keep an eye on them!

Since I do a quality Reptile Expo here in the Austin area, I try my best to be aware of situations like this. I will give credit to Ashley for contacting me early on to say would not be doing shows until all of this was resolved. It saved me form having to refuse her a table.

The people making the final decisions are checking references and city ordinances and this thread has been looked at by these people.
 
I cannot remember where I saw it, but I recall Ashley was inquiring about the snakes taken from the raid on the HEH property in LA, when that happened. When I find that info, I will post it. This does not surprise me.
 
http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/boas/61781-high-end-herps-inc-animal-abuse-charges-louisiana-2.html


There is a passing mention of her saying something about her taking snakes. I could SWEAR she inquired further, but it could have been on another forum other than RTB. Still, that's evidence that these animals seemed to have piqued her interest before.

Did this happen on a forum, or through a forum she belongs to? I knew that her being on forums that she might try to pull something behind closed doors, in the PM system or through e-mail. She STILL frequents forums and if she thinks we're not watching her, she's got us all wrong. Those people who think she's OK just browsing their forums had better think again. This is exactly the reason she does NOT belong on forums.
 
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