Bad Guy Avangel Reptiles- parasitic reptiles, and more

[Big Borg Reptiles]

Just because you start a thread doesn't mean you can dictate what is or isn't posted in response. That is up for the moderators to decide. If Neko posts statements as evidence, she needs to provide proof, and any discussion of those statements is completely valid if they are in regards to the thread. Which they are.

 

[KFoxysGeckos]

I am under the impression by previous comments that it was believed that neko created the topic for some reason.
I created the topic based on sick animals and poor customer service. Yes he was innapropriate with customers-julies texts prove that, but the rest is just comments without proof. Im tried of the constant email dinging of people arguing over whether or not such and such happened to so and so because they did not post proof. Its not hard to say "you did not post proof so we are disregarding your comments until you do."
This thread, that i started so ya im gonna call it mine, is having to be printed out, every single page, for an on going investigation. The pointless chatter comments are going to make the investigators job that much more difficult and possibly make them miss over important information. So once again.... get off the post with the chatter.

 

[NekoGeckos]

He didn't solicit me, he elicited me. He did not offer me anything in exchange for sex, like he did with others. Which makes me feel even more dumb, that he tried to get it for free when he offered others free geckos and whatnot. If I can get the old messages, I'm sure there will be something in there that's incriminating enough to prove I'm not lying. But please again keep in mind I can't be lying about something I never said.

I never said Chaz raped me, I said anyone who had been raped knows how difficult it is to go through the justice system, because it is like being raped all over again- and this thread is actually starting to feel the same way. I don't like being called a serial rape victim or a liar, it's made me cry, honestly you people have made me cry a lot. I understand that my wording may have been difficult for people to understand when they come here looking for heated discussion, but I certainly didn't deserve more doubt and blame than I would have received if I had actually decided to go ahead with reporting him in the first place.

That being said, I don't consider myself a victim, since the only thing I lost from my relationship with Chaz is a couple months and my faith in humanity. I am angry at him, more so now than I ever was before I knew he was doing much worse to other YOUNGER girls, but I am not angry that the relationship ended at all, and am glad to be rid of him romantically to be completely honest. Those rude remarks were more to offend him, and you can't deny others here have made much worse remarks toward him than I did. I recall threats of castration and bodily harm..? Just saying.

And while our past relationship is somewhat relevant, given that he did pick me from the reptile community and used his knowledge and power as a big breeder to seduce me, I do not think that this is the right board to discuss the ethics of rape culture and sexism, because while having sex with him would have been statutory rape, I don't believe anyone actually physically had sex with him, so that isn't really relevant.

Yeah, I showed Chaz my naughty bits over Skype, and I cheated on him after multiple attempts to break it off. If that makes me a slut, so be it. But I am not a liar, or a prostitute, or an attention whore. I'm just one of the women he used for his sick purposes, and while he didn't rape me, he is still a messed up human being and deserves to go to jail for his crimes, if not against me, against the other girls and the reptile community.

 

[NekoGeckos]

Sorry I was writing that post and missed a few more comments. I will post evidence as soon as I can, but since I no longer have phone service with either company i used that year, it will take a bit of time to get the info from my parents. This is a really busy time for me, and I do not want to make this thread a priority by any means, so sorry if you have to wait a couple days for text evidence from me.

 

[Big Borg Reptiles]

Darien, I feel that a large amount of information was taken out of context. Part of that I take responsibility for, but at the same time I had multiple people telling me that you were physically raped and were a victim, and for that I don't apologize. Those people should apologize to YOU for being completely ridiculous.

Trust me when I say that I know how hard it is to actually file for rape. It isn't an easy process, and it's especially hard to get anyone to take you seriously or to make a real case. No matter what happened, the burden of proof is on you, and how can you legitimately prove that someone raped you? I know the struggle, trust me. I think the way you worded it was what was troubling to me. I'm not saying you were never raped, but the case in reference to Chaz is completely different and irrelevant to any rape cases you have had in the past.

No one is calling you anything, we are simply asking for proof. Based on what we've already seen, he is obviously crossing some very serious boundaries in both the legal and moral sense. And no one is accusing you of being a "blank", I understand that you're mad, but this isn't the place to vocalize your feelings about him.

The BOI can seem like a harsh place, but you need to understand that it's not EVER on a personal level. The entire point of the BOI is to find THE TRUTH. If someone posts things without evidence, or posts things that sound fishy, people will always dig into it and discover the facts behind it. That is the BOI.

I know that you have a lot of things going on right now, and I suggest that you take a short break from this board. You can unsubscribe if you go to your user cp. That way you can collect your thoughts and find evidence without worrying about what people are saying. Evidence and proof will always trump anything else.

I have personally experienced posting a BOI where I was wronged and had people question me. But if you provide proof that you did nothing wrong and that the fault was on the other person, you will be fine in the end. Work on getting your proof, ignore what people say in the meantime, and work on building your entity after that.

No one is calling you a liar. We just want evidence.

 

[Big Borg Reptiles]

I am under the impression by previous comments that it was believed that neko created the topic for some reason.
I created the topic based on sick animals and poor customer service. Yes he was innapropriate with customers-julies texts prove that, but the rest is just comments without proof. Im tried of the constant email dinging of people arguing over whether or not such and such happened to so and so because they did not post proof. Its not hard to say "you did not post proof so we are disregarding your comments until you do."
This thread, that i started so ya im gonna call it mine, is having to be printed out, every single page, for an on going investigation. The pointless chatter comments are going to make the investigators job that much more difficult and possibly make them miss over important information. So once again.... get off the post with the chatter.

It doesn't matter why you started this thread. If other evidence comes up that this is a person to avoid then it is entirely relevant. If you are so bothered by the "dings" from your email, simply unsubscribe from the thread via your user cp. You are claiming that no one's input is relevant unless they had a sick gecko, which is extremely irresponsible. Again, this is not YOUR thread, it is a public thread where anyone can post any evidence they may have, whether it is in regards to the geckos being sick or that they received inappropriate customer service.

 

[KFoxysGeckos]

I am not claiming that no ones info is irrelevent unless they had a sick gecko AND recieved poor customer service. I invited neko back WHEN SHE HAD EVIDENCE. I simply said to stop commenting on this thread with bs comments about comments with NO EVIDENCE. again, this thread is being STUDIED BY INVESTIGATORS. MEANING IF YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO CONTRIBUTE THEN STOP COMMENTING AS YOU ARE MAKING THEIR JOB MORE DIFFICULT AND POSSIBLY MAKING THE INVESTIGATION TAKE LONGER. WHICH IS EXTREMELY IRRESPONSIBLE.

 

[Big Borg Reptiles]

Regardless, I'm sorry, but you have absolutely no right to tell people when they can and can't post. This is a public forum. If you have people investigating it that's fine, but telling people that they can't post is the most irresponsible thing I have read so far...even more irresponsible than telling me that I have no education.

If someone is investigating this, EVERY piece of evidence is relevant. Yes, she should provide proof of her claims...I already said that. But for you to say that no one can post without your approval? How inviting is that in the search of truth? For the last time, this is not YOUR THREAD. This is a public forum, and anything posted here is viewable by ANY person. You are not in charge here.

 

[KFoxysGeckos]

Regardless, I'm sorry, but you have absolutely no right to tell people when they can and can't post. This is a public forum. If you have people investigating it that's fine, but telling people that they can't post is the most irresponsible thing I have read so far...even more irresponsible than telling me that I have no education.

If someone is investigating this, EVERY piece of evidence is relevant. Yes, she should provide proof of her claims...I already said that. But for you to say that no one can post without your approval? How inviting is that in the search of truth? For the last time, this is not YOUR THREAD. This is a public forum, and anything posted here is viewable by ANY person. You are not in charge here.

You literally need to go back and re read my comment where YOU PICKED OUT CERTAIN CRAP TO BOLD AND IGNORE THE REST. I said POST ALL THE EVIDENCE AGAINST AVANGEL YOU WANT.... EVIDENCE EVIDENCE EVIDENCE EVIDENCE EVIDENCE. IF YOU HAVE FKING EVIDENCE POST IT.
I NEVER ONCE SAID NO ONE CAN POST EVIDECE. NEVER.
I SAID STOP FIGHTING ABOUT THE COMMENTS WITH NOOOOOO EVIDENCE.
ITS NOT HARD TO SAY... HEY YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE..
COME BACK WHEN YOU DO.... FIGHTING OVER EVERY LITTLE NIT PICKING THING IS DETRACTING FROM THE PURPOSE OF THE POST WHICH IS TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE, REGARDLESS OF WHO FROM, AGAINST AVANGEL. I DONT GIVE 2 RATS REAR ENDS WHO POSTS RELEVANT EVIDENCE. I DO CARE ABOUT THE BS DETRACTING FROM THE POST.

 

[Big Borg Reptiles]

You literally need to go back and re read my comment where YOU PICKED OUT CERTAIN CRAP TO BOLD AND IGNORE THE REST. I said POST ALL THE EVIDENCE AGAINST AVANGEL YOU WANT.... EVIDENCE EVIDENCE EVIDENCE EVIDENCE EVIDENCE. IF YOU HAVE FKING EVIDENCE POST IT.
I NEVER ONCE SAID NO ONE CAN POST EVIDECE. NEVER.
I SAID STOP FIGHTING ABOUT THE COMMENTS WITH NOOOOOO EVIDENCE.
ITS NOT HARD TO SAY... HEY YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE..
COME BACK WHEN YOU DO.... FIGHTING OVER EVERY LITTLE NIT PICKING THING IS DETRACTING FROM THE PURPOSE OF THE POST WHICH IS TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE, REGARDLESS OF WHO FROM, AGAINST AVANGEL. I DONT GIVE 2 RATS REAR ENDS WHO POSTS RELEVANT EVIDENCE. I DO CARE ABOUT THE BS DETRACTING FROM THE POST.

Well if I was a victim I'm certainly feel comfortable posting now. Great job.

 

[Central Coast Herps]

An individual named Bryan Pagano will be posting his story about Chaz. He is another victim that lost an animal do to the cruelty of this man. He is currently unable to remember his password so if he needs I will post for him with his okay and I will provide all of the proof.

 

[Big Borg Reptiles]

An individual named Bryan Pagano will be posting his story about Chaz. He is another victim that lost an animal do to the cruelty of this man. He is currently unable to remember his password so if he needs I will post for him with his okay and I will provide all of the proof.

Emily I believe it is against BOI rules to post on behalf of another person; to avoid receiving an infraction, I suggest you encourage Mr. Pagano to post on his own before attempting to relay information for him.

Not trying to be rude in any way, just don't want you to achieve unnecessary infractions.

 

[Central Coast Herps]

I am allowed to post on his behalf if he has given me written consent that I will then screenshot and post to show that I have his approval. It has been done multiple times in this thread alone in at least 3 instances. However I agree that he should post on his own behalf and I will continue him to encourage him to do so. He just needs to figure out his password. Thank you for trying to help.

 

[Big Borg Reptiles]

I am allowed to post on his behalf if he has given me written consent that I will then screenshot and post to show that I have his approval. It has been done multiple times in this thread alone in at least 3 instances. However I agree that he should post on his own behalf and I will continue him to encourage him to do so. He just needs to figure out his password. Thank you for trying to help.

Of course. As I said, I've seen people knocked for speaking for others, but if you have written consent it is another matter entirely. It's simply a matter of obtaining facts from the source rather than "through the grapevine"

I'm not trying to cause problems, just don't want you to engage in activities that will result in infractions. Obviously the evidence is the most important factor.

 

[Fangthane]

MEANING IF YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO CONTRIBUTE THEN STOP COMMENTING

ITS NOT HARD TO SAY... HEY YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE..
COME BACK WHEN YOU DO....

Not only is it not your place to be trying to dictate when, why and what someone may post; you're not even citing any kind of actual prerequisite for posting on the BOI. Right now, the biggest detraction I'm seeing, is your insistence on trying to control a system that was already extremely effective long before you ever found your way here. You may want to get over yourself long enough to give that a rest.

 

[KFoxysGeckos]

The need for evidence was discussed very early in the thread by moderators i do believe. Around page 2 or so.

 

[NekoGeckos]

The need for evidence was discussed very early in the thread by moderators i do believe. Around page 2 or so.

Yeah I don't really understand why the official rules and the mods are saying two different things. I received an infraction earlier for something else (not providing evidence), and it was removed a week later. I think there is classic case of miscommunication going on here, both with mods and regular users. Either way, even if mods aren't issuing infractions for it, the regular users sure do have their own way of punishing people who don't post evidence immediately.

 

[Big Borg Reptiles]

Yeah I don't really understand why the official rules and the mods are saying two different things. I received an infraction earlier for something else (not providing evidence), and it was removed a week later. I think there is classic case of miscommunication going on here, both with mods and regular users. Either way, even if mods aren't issuing infractions for it, the regular users sure do have their own way of punishing people who don't post evidence immediately.

I was honestly under the impression that it was necessary to post evidence of a claim in the BOI. Not that you would directly receive an infraction for refusing to do so, but that you would certainly not be taken seriously.

Posting second-hand information, on the other hand, is (as far as I know) very much an infraction. How easy is it to say that someone did something because my friend said so?

I don't want to think that users will give you negative karma for posting without evidence unless you are posting something very ridiculous. If so, that's definitely something to take up with the moderators on the feedback forum of fauna, as that isn't acceptable (assuming that's the actual reason).

 

[Big Borg Reptiles]

The need for evidence was discussed very early in the thread by moderators i do believe. Around page 2 or so.

I just double checked the first 10 pages of this thread AKA the first 100 posts. There is NO mention of anyone needing to provide proof or that they would inquire an infraction. Please check your information before posting nonsense statements.

 

[Lucille]

The need for evidence was discussed very early in the thread by moderators i do believe. Around page 2 or so.

Please identify this person, since you have relayed the story - anonymous third party quotation is not acceptable on the BOI.

Evidence is not required, but few will believe assertions not backed up with facts. The BOI is set up so that facts and identified opinion are posted and readers draw their own conclusions.

Yeah I don't really understand why the official rules and the mods are saying two different things. I received an infraction earlier for something else (not providing evidence), and it was removed a week later. I think there is classic case of miscommunication going on here, both with mods and regular users. Either way, even if mods aren't issuing infractions for it, the regular users sure do have their own way of punishing people who don't post evidence immediately.

I do not believe you received an infraction for not providing evidence, I believe you probably received an infraction for anonymous third party posting.