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Briarpatch herps??????? AGAIN
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chad
breeder
Wm,
When was it that you noticed these where not pastels or anything else but nice looking CH balls. You emailed me a week or so ago offering these to me in trade for a 8' male Lab. Burm I was saling? So you knew for at least a week about these. You claim you got laid up in an accident. About 2-3 weeks ago you posted a tread complaining about UPS and Fedex not be able to ship your stuff and how you where tiered of packing them up. Hell you even said they knew what containers was thers. So If you where packing stuff up then to ship and going back and forth to ship, how can you still be laid up now and not be able to know what YOU where posting?
Chad Umbaugh
When was it that you noticed these where not pastels or anything else but nice looking CH balls. You emailed me a week or so ago offering these to me in trade for a 8' male Lab. Burm I was saling? So you knew for at least a week about these. You claim you got laid up in an accident. About 2-3 weeks ago you posted a tread complaining about UPS and Fedex not be able to ship your stuff and how you where tiered of packing them up. Hell you even said they knew what containers was thers. So If you where packing stuff up then to ship and going back and forth to ship, how can you still be laid up now and not be able to know what YOU where posting?
Chad Umbaugh
March 11th was when I got screwed up and have been going back and forth with doctors since about two herniated discs....I bagged the animals shipped (balls) then had them run to UPS/Airborn. I'm not decrepit..... I just can't lean, stoop or lift much of anything and have to watch how I take stairs. What I offered you was animals I had coming in from a trade of a huge burm and GTP I got rid of, nice pastel colors but nothing with whited out saddles or speckled lips like I'd hoped for.
reptichic911
New member
ajc said:
Anthony,
Very well said.
WM,
Your excuses don't sound a bit believable to me. Does anyone else here smell doo doo?
Jerry Dorgan
New member
Chad
Funny, he made me a similar offer the day before yesterday on my 7 ft male laby. But the offer wasn't on pastels, just said he had put some fresh pics up of some nice balls he had in his ad. Told me to take a look and see what I'm interested in...When I went to look for the ad it was gone. That is when Al started this thread and the ad had been pulled. I was not aware of this thraed so I emailed him asking what ad? He emailed me some pics putting some crazy names to them.
Briar, How come you were able to post some fresh pics on your ad and didn't notice the blunderous mistake your "out of hemishere helper" made until Al started this thread......?
You can see how this little...$2200 mishap OOPS might look a bit funny to an outsider....and pretty dang scamish to someone that might have done business with you.
Because they were ch, I turned you down flat,,,I guess we'll never know if you would have traded your $2200 oops mishap
for my $450 laby burm. I'm kinda bettin that if this thread didn't start and I was really wanting some wc/ch exotic named balls, you Sir may have felt real good about ripping me off... If I sound a little unhappy, I'm not. I didn't bite on your little scam. And hopefully people who read this thread will know better too.........
And call me stupid but I still can't figure how you can blame your little $2200 opps on your not even in the same hemisphere" helper.
"My extra hands isn't a snake person at all.....not even in the same hemisphere" helper in another hemisphere.
And what the heck does your helper fly up from their hemisphere daily or weekly to do your "Cleans/fills water bowls, thaws feed, wipes glass, brings cypress mulch in and out. All the hands off animal stuff".
I don't really care...I just want everyone to know what kind of scam business you are attempting to run. But feel bad, you are not alone!
Funny, he made me a similar offer the day before yesterday on my 7 ft male laby. But the offer wasn't on pastels, just said he had put some fresh pics up of some nice balls he had in his ad. Told me to take a look and see what I'm interested in...When I went to look for the ad it was gone. That is when Al started this thread and the ad had been pulled. I was not aware of this thraed so I emailed him asking what ad? He emailed me some pics putting some crazy names to them.
Briar, How come you were able to post some fresh pics on your ad and didn't notice the blunderous mistake your "out of hemishere helper" made until Al started this thread......?
You can see how this little...$2200 mishap OOPS might look a bit funny to an outsider....and pretty dang scamish to someone that might have done business with you.
Because they were ch, I turned you down flat,,,I guess we'll never know if you would have traded your $2200 oops mishap
for my $450 laby burm. I'm kinda bettin that if this thread didn't start and I was really wanting some wc/ch exotic named balls, you Sir may have felt real good about ripping me off... If I sound a little unhappy, I'm not. I didn't bite on your little scam. And hopefully people who read this thread will know better too.........
And call me stupid but I still can't figure how you can blame your little $2200 opps on your not even in the same hemisphere" helper.
"My extra hands isn't a snake person at all.....not even in the same hemisphere" helper in another hemisphere.
And what the heck does your helper fly up from their hemisphere daily or weekly to do your "Cleans/fills water bowls, thaws feed, wipes glass, brings cypress mulch in and out. All the hands off animal stuff".
I don't really care...I just want everyone to know what kind of scam business you are attempting to run. But feel bad, you are not alone!
chad
breeder
Jerry,
What I find funny is he SAYS that the animals offered to me where different but in the email it has about 6 or 7 names to the balls. 3 where names he had to his Ads on KS. What is also funny he wanted my male LAb. for a female he got. I just wondered if he got the female cause he never got back to me. William did you ever get that female? What is also funny is that Al called him out, Wm tried this with Al before (the spider thing), This shows he is at least tring it again on a bigger scale. I just wonder how many people he tried to trade or traded these so called Ball morphs to in the past cause he tried to trade me High gold balls before in the past. Things could be catching up with Wm.
Chad Umbaugh
What I find funny is he SAYS that the animals offered to me where different but in the email it has about 6 or 7 names to the balls. 3 where names he had to his Ads on KS. What is also funny he wanted my male LAb. for a female he got. I just wondered if he got the female cause he never got back to me. William did you ever get that female? What is also funny is that Al called him out, Wm tried this with Al before (the spider thing), This shows he is at least tring it again on a bigger scale. I just wonder how many people he tried to trade or traded these so called Ball morphs to in the past cause he tried to trade me High gold balls before in the past. Things could be catching up with Wm.
Chad Umbaugh
lol.............not in the same hemisphere/ way worse off than not being in the same ballpark.
Like I said folks, I really don't care who buys what..........if explaination wasn't enough, tough <font color=red>[**censored**]</font> for me..........there's nothing I can do about it so run me in the ground aaaaaaaaaaaaaaall you wish.
Like I said folks, I really don't care who buys what..........if explaination wasn't enough, tough <font color=red>[**censored**]</font> for me..........there's nothing I can do about it so run me in the ground aaaaaaaaaaaaaaall you wish.
Jerry Dorgan
New member
Briar
Gosh Briar....that was a really good response.....but don't try again,,,,,,,,,we don't want you to over do it........you might have to fly up that other hemisphere helper.....and gosh we don't want another $2200 oops.........And by the way...Briar, I stayed off this thread intentionally for a day and a half to see what you had to say.....and you did a great job of running yourself into the ground. But thats where scammers rest....right?
Chad,
yep he put all the fancy names on the ones he showed me too..
Gosh Briar....that was a really good response.....but don't try again,,,,,,,,,we don't want you to over do it........you might have to fly up that other hemisphere helper.....and gosh we don't want another $2200 oops.........And by the way...Briar, I stayed off this thread intentionally for a day and a half to see what you had to say.....and you did a great job of running yourself into the ground. But thats where scammers rest....right?
Chad,
yep he put all the fancy names on the ones he showed me too..
I had some gtps up for sale about last year, and I got a email from him asking to do a trade. He said he had all this stuff, and what caught my attention was a gila. We talked about trading 2 gtps for the gila and the deal was pretty much done and then he backed out last minute, which kinda pissed me off, because I had my gtps on hold for him and denied some cash offers I got. A few months after i get a few random emails saying hey ive got these new dwarf retics lets trade, i wa slike uhh no dont like them, he kept trying to get me to trade. A few months after that more corny trade offers. I saw some gtps he had for sale, they had really high pricing, were wild caught animals, and I think he advertised a biak as high yellow which was a little over a yearling for 2k. Id you know anything about gtps most biaks go through that high yellow stage, and about 3-4 years are officially done with their color change. He also had some random other gtps for sale, nothing special. He recently said he had some from OS and trooper walsh? Yea right, they didnt look like any animal from either of them. Im glad to see that its not just me who gets all these random trade offers or notices his outlandish wc animal pricing.
Jerry Dorgan
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Interested in trades of CH ball python varients and morphs?
There are some ads posted that I ran today with fresh photos, after checking
out the animal quality let me know what it is exactly you're after.
Greens, green granites, orange, yellow, pastels, labyrinths, reduced
patterns ect ect ect
Wm
This was his first email to me trying to get me to trade for my laby burm.
Chad does this look familiar? Notice the names he's thowing out!!!!!!!! and also notice he does not state look alikes, but varients and morphs........"pastels"...there is that nasty word again....but atleast he didn't use spider this time...lol................I guess his other hemisphere helper probably sent this email too........lol...........but maybe there is more than one way to read the english language.........scammish maybe?
Briar, don't feel too bad,,,for centuries salespeople have been using
word tricks to scam the unsuspecting....you just got a little unlucky to got caught redhanded. Don't go away hurt...just go away..........................................................
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Interested in trades of CH ball python varients and morphs?
There are some ads posted that I ran today with fresh photos, after checking
out the animal quality let me know what it is exactly you're after.
Greens, green granites, orange, yellow, pastels, labyrinths, reduced
patterns ect ect ect
Wm
This was his first email to me trying to get me to trade for my laby burm.
Chad does this look familiar? Notice the names he's thowing out!!!!!!!! and also notice he does not state look alikes, but varients and morphs........"pastels"...there is that nasty word again....but atleast he didn't use spider this time...lol................I guess his other hemisphere helper probably sent this email too........lol...........but maybe there is more than one way to read the english language.........scammish maybe?
Briar, don't feel too bad,,,for centuries salespeople have been using
word tricks to scam the unsuspecting....you just got a little unlucky to got caught redhanded. Don't go away hurt...just go away..........................................................
chad
breeder
Jerry,
Yeah, Most of them are the names he used with the emails he sent me. I always thought it was funny that he never seemed to have any money always wanted to trade for things. Now I see why, Cheap (in money) animals he offered for Nice proven morphs or high quality animals.
Chad Umbaugh
Yeah, Most of them are the names he used with the emails he sent me. I always thought it was funny that he never seemed to have any money always wanted to trade for things. Now I see why, Cheap (in money) animals he offered for Nice proven morphs or high quality animals.
Chad Umbaugh
David Bellis
New member
I figure I'll ad my run ins with Briarpatch as well. I got an offer for a trade of an adult female ball python from him about a month ago. I have since deleted the email. He told me a sub 1000g female is worth $400(???). Needless to say, I passed. I then got an email telling me he had "CH morphs" and I requested photos. Here's the response I got...
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There are some ads posted that I ran today with fresh photos, after checking out the animal quality let me know what it is exactly you're after.
Greens, green granites, orange, yellow, pastels, labyrinths, reduced patterns ect ect ect
Wm
I doubt my post will mean anything as he's shrugged everyone else off as well. The problem, Will, is that you refer to these animals as "morphs" and call them by their morph name. The animals you have are in fact not morphs but normals. Until they are proven calling them morphs or pastels or what have you is false advertising. Strange, odd, abnormal, better than average, pretty etc etc are all adjectives that would suit your "better than normal" CH animals very well. Only a scammer or a person with no conscience would take a WC animal in and try to sell it off as a proven "morph".
Either way, you're on my list of someone to never do business with. Thanks to Al and the BOI for working to protect everyone.
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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2004 22:34:39.0136 (UTC) FILETIME=[25332A00:01C437A8]
There are some ads posted that I ran today with fresh photos, after checking out the animal quality let me know what it is exactly you're after.
Greens, green granites, orange, yellow, pastels, labyrinths, reduced patterns ect ect ect
Wm
I doubt my post will mean anything as he's shrugged everyone else off as well. The problem, Will, is that you refer to these animals as "morphs" and call them by their morph name. The animals you have are in fact not morphs but normals. Until they are proven calling them morphs or pastels or what have you is false advertising. Strange, odd, abnormal, better than average, pretty etc etc are all adjectives that would suit your "better than normal" CH animals very well. Only a scammer or a person with no conscience would take a WC animal in and try to sell it off as a proven "morph".
Either way, you're on my list of someone to never do business with. Thanks to Al and the BOI for working to protect everyone.
Seamus Haley
Big Game Hunter
Hrm.
Where to begin...
Okay, first off, SOME morphs use names which are specific to a genotype, SOME morphs use names that are specific to a phenotype.
Meaning... An albino is an albino no matter where or why melanin production is interrupted; be it genetic, formative or even due to injury or disease. The same is true for say... an axanthic. If an animal doesn't have yellow, it's an axanthic, proven and/or compatable genetic line or not. This also applies to patterns. An animal with a stripe down it's back is a STRIPED animal, it may or may not be genetic, but it's still a stripe.
A "Pastel" however is not always a "Pastel" since terms of THIS nature are applied to genotypes, rather than being technical terms for a phenotype. The same goes for spider or bumblebee or blonde or whatever. Animals not known to have the needed genotype can't be accurately called by the name until proven out.
With that said however... Al, you know I agree 150% with you about the importance of only using the "designer" names for animals who display the proper genotype but... The ads clearly stated that the animals were CH (apparantly, based off what was said in this thread) which automatically means "Phenotypically similar to..." when any designer names are used. This is even MORE true when writing directly to a prospective buyer; he was using the morph terms to describe individual animals ALREADY KNOWN TO BE CH and not genetically proven. Typing out "The snake which, to my subjective eye (all eyes are subjective based on the past experiences of the individual doing the viewing and forming an opinion) has a pastel-like appearance and may or may not be a genetic pastel because it has questionable origins" each time he was reffering too it is simply too much to demand.
Complaints about his prices... Back the hell off, shut the hell up and leave the man alone. His animals... HIS choice on the prices. Nobody can decide what he can or can not price his animals at other than HIM and it's simply absurd to suggest that he's in some manner a "bad guy" or trying to pull a scam simply because his prices are higher than some prospective buyer might like. Most of you, if you stop for half a minute and pull your heads out of your asses (Where it is dark, inhibiting sight) will step back a moment and realize this. If people reading classified ads now have the power to determine the price a buyer sells at with no negotiation involved, then all of you imbeciles whining about prices will shortly be sending me every animal you own in exchange for my pocket change and some old subway tokens. If anyone reading this is insulted by what I just said... then guess what, it applies to you. Anyone not guilty of this kind of backassward thinking will have no complaints.
Early on... and throughout this thread, William has had positive posts written by credible, respected people. Frankly the people supporting him are ones who's judgement I trust FAR more than the majority who are currently hounding him and trying to insinuate wrongdoing.
He's given his explinations for the ads, pulled the ones which were clear cut mistakes in wording the moment they were brought to his attention, apologized to the people who actually deserved one- what more can anyone ask for?
Where to begin...
Okay, first off, SOME morphs use names which are specific to a genotype, SOME morphs use names that are specific to a phenotype.
Meaning... An albino is an albino no matter where or why melanin production is interrupted; be it genetic, formative or even due to injury or disease. The same is true for say... an axanthic. If an animal doesn't have yellow, it's an axanthic, proven and/or compatable genetic line or not. This also applies to patterns. An animal with a stripe down it's back is a STRIPED animal, it may or may not be genetic, but it's still a stripe.
A "Pastel" however is not always a "Pastel" since terms of THIS nature are applied to genotypes, rather than being technical terms for a phenotype. The same goes for spider or bumblebee or blonde or whatever. Animals not known to have the needed genotype can't be accurately called by the name until proven out.
With that said however... Al, you know I agree 150% with you about the importance of only using the "designer" names for animals who display the proper genotype but... The ads clearly stated that the animals were CH (apparantly, based off what was said in this thread) which automatically means "Phenotypically similar to..." when any designer names are used. This is even MORE true when writing directly to a prospective buyer; he was using the morph terms to describe individual animals ALREADY KNOWN TO BE CH and not genetically proven. Typing out "The snake which, to my subjective eye (all eyes are subjective based on the past experiences of the individual doing the viewing and forming an opinion) has a pastel-like appearance and may or may not be a genetic pastel because it has questionable origins" each time he was reffering too it is simply too much to demand.
Complaints about his prices... Back the hell off, shut the hell up and leave the man alone. His animals... HIS choice on the prices. Nobody can decide what he can or can not price his animals at other than HIM and it's simply absurd to suggest that he's in some manner a "bad guy" or trying to pull a scam simply because his prices are higher than some prospective buyer might like. Most of you, if you stop for half a minute and pull your heads out of your asses (Where it is dark, inhibiting sight) will step back a moment and realize this. If people reading classified ads now have the power to determine the price a buyer sells at with no negotiation involved, then all of you imbeciles whining about prices will shortly be sending me every animal you own in exchange for my pocket change and some old subway tokens. If anyone reading this is insulted by what I just said... then guess what, it applies to you. Anyone not guilty of this kind of backassward thinking will have no complaints.
Early on... and throughout this thread, William has had positive posts written by credible, respected people. Frankly the people supporting him are ones who's judgement I trust FAR more than the majority who are currently hounding him and trying to insinuate wrongdoing.
He's given his explinations for the ads, pulled the ones which were clear cut mistakes in wording the moment they were brought to his attention, apologized to the people who actually deserved one- what more can anyone ask for?
chad
breeder
Seamus,
If you read the whole thread, it seems he has emailed some people about these animals being fully aware that they are nothing then nice normals. He eamiled me last week about them. So if he wants to say, oh it was my helpers fault, when he has been aware of them at least 4 days before he posted them on KS,
it just ain't sitting well with me. If you have a problem with that it is to bad. If he would have put pastel like instead of pastel this whole thing might not have happened period.
Chad Umbaugh
If you read the whole thread, it seems he has emailed some people about these animals being fully aware that they are nothing then nice normals. He eamiled me last week about them. So if he wants to say, oh it was my helpers fault, when he has been aware of them at least 4 days before he posted them on KS,
it just ain't sitting well with me. If you have a problem with that it is to bad. If he would have put pastel like instead of pastel this whole thing might not have happened period.
Chad Umbaugh
chad
breeder
With the reptile industry, Your name is what makes you. Why would anyone let someone who does not know snakes, take pictures for him and post the animals. That would take alot of trust in that person to know what they are doing. So if William did indeed do that, it was bad judgement on his part. Hopefully he will not let this happen again. I hope everything works out for you Wm and this was just a BIG mistake.
Chad Umbaugh
Chad Umbaugh
Seamus,
You don't know me from Joe Schmo, I appreciate you taking an outside look at everything said.
Chad,
When I offered you animals (as well as a couple others) I offered what I was expecting, not getting back to you right away was intentional due to wanting to know EXACTLY what I would have to offer along with photos, those that I had gotten through didn't meet up to what I would consider "designer quality". (As well as you didn't reply) Those that still haven't shed, I have no clue and can't say what they are.
You also made a major error some weeks back posting all of your collection for sale because you were fighting with your wife and wanted to make a point, due to being pissed off and not thinking clearly you screwed up......some hours later after cooling off you yanked the ad and emailed me and about six other people back explaining the situation......mistakes happen eh? You apologized, explained and that's all it took. Afterwards I STILL made inquiries with you not holding a grudge about an accident even though I was pissed. You sure as hell don't practice forgive and forget as much as you ask for it.
It's also been posted MANY time throughout this board as well as damn near every ad I've ever posted, I like trading....that's just what some people are into. If you're strapped for cash sell stuff, if it's not moving trade it for something you want. That is MY way of doing things. YOU do not have to like it or operate that way....until things are going extremily well with production I use money for bills and animals for animals. It's of NO concern to you unless you wish to not be contacted for ANY trades unless SPECIFIED and that's all you have to say......you'll not be contacted again.
Jerry,
After getting through quite a few of the animals I replied to you second about the lab with a list of what I KNEW I had on Wednesday 5/12
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Re: 1.0 labyrinth burm
Date: 5/12/2004 11:30:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: BriarPatch Herps
To: dorganjerry@
File: 11003F.ZIP (45838 bytes) DL Time (46667 bps): < 1 minute
Yellows, oranges, tiger striped orange and reduced patterns.
Wm
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One person had inquired about anything resembling spiders, once I sorted this is the message I relayed " I have some nice reduced patterns but nothing in here is spiderlike, but there is a wide variety of those pastel colored animals."
I.E Pastel colored- pink, creamy yellow, light sherbert orange which is where the miscommunication came from I'm sure.
The rest were fancies "greens, granites, green granites, so so reduced patterns, labyrinths, jungle pattern, high golds, high contrast, black backs"
THESE ARE NOT MORPHS yet all of you have called them that.....they are varients. The ONLY one that was mislabeled was the pastel colored animals and that has been explained.
The help replied to him after placing the ad as did he several others with an almost identical message.
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Re:
Date: 5/11/2004 6:32:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: BriarPatch Herps
To:
______ I went through the group and nothing really impressed me that I'm going to stick a "spider" label on. I do however have some very nice pastels posted.
Wm
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Tim,
You had those chondros posted for months and we discussed a lot of different options. You were looking to eliminate your chondro collection and needed the money....for christmas I believe, sure you told me you would think about it whenever I offered something which was fine.....We both took time to kick it around, I thought about it....and kicked the idea to the curb. So?
You never held those animals FOR me, you had been holding out for the right price and your ad was marked as such *PRICE IS FIRM* You even had the animals cages for sale which you wanted to sell as a package. As for the chondros I own and have owned not ONE animal is wild caught. The high yellow chondros I had posted ARE outcrossed animals produced from OS bloodlines and high yellow Biaks bred by John Mack. The patternless Aru IS a TW selectively bred animal.....ok, you know chondros. Surely you aren't saying you know every animal they've produced on sight and have kept up with color and pattern changes with their growth as well as kept track of how many times the animals have changed owners. Don't pull things out of left field bud, that's just wrong.
David,
During breeding season high quality healthy female balls bring $300-$500 from anyone who knows all the potential of breeding them to co-dominant genes, pieds, spiders, mojaves ect ect. Ig you buy a quality animal for less you hosed the guy. It's a matter of supply and demand, EVERYONE needs an army of females so nice ones are scarce, when they are available they aren't cheap. Scroll the ball ads starting back in late fall and see what you come up with.
And yeah, you're right....I am shrugging all this off. What else can I do? I've explained until I'm blue in the face, apologized for the error AND corrected it.....................if any of you think I'm going to say I did something I didn't to quiet down your little lynch mob, or if you think I'm going to get all tore up because several people can't look at the big picture......you're nuttier than squirrel sh!t.
Swap places with me.............worry about a F.U.B.A.R mistake I've handled to the best of my ability or focus on my physical and medical issues that are at hand? I'd suggest taking "Worrying about what matters for $1000 Alex"expecting It's of NO concern to you unless you wish to not be contacted for ANY trades unless SPECIFIED and that's all you have to say......you'll not be contacted again. I.E Pastel colored- pink, creamy yellow, light sherbert orange which is where the miscommunication came from I'm sure. THESE ARE NOT MORPHS
You don't know me from Joe Schmo, I appreciate you taking an outside look at everything said.
Chad,
When I offered you animals (as well as a couple others) I offered what I was expecting, not getting back to you right away was intentional due to wanting to know EXACTLY what I would have to offer along with photos, those that I had gotten through didn't meet up to what I would consider "designer quality". (As well as you didn't reply) Those that still haven't shed, I have no clue and can't say what they are.
You also made a major error some weeks back posting all of your collection for sale because you were fighting with your wife and wanted to make a point, due to being pissed off and not thinking clearly you screwed up......some hours later after cooling off you yanked the ad and emailed me and about six other people back explaining the situation......mistakes happen eh? You apologized, explained and that's all it took. Afterwards I STILL made inquiries with you not holding a grudge about an accident even though I was pissed. You sure as hell don't practice forgive and forget as much as you ask for it.
It's also been posted MANY time throughout this board as well as damn near every ad I've ever posted, I like trading....that's just what some people are into. If you're strapped for cash sell stuff, if it's not moving trade it for something you want. That is MY way of doing things. YOU do not have to like it or operate that way....until things are going extremily well with production I use money for bills and animals for animals. It's of NO concern to you unless you wish to not be contacted for ANY trades unless SPECIFIED and that's all you have to say......you'll not be contacted again.
Jerry,
After getting through quite a few of the animals I replied to you second about the lab with a list of what I KNEW I had on Wednesday 5/12
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Re: 1.0 labyrinth burm
Date: 5/12/2004 11:30:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: BriarPatch Herps
To: dorganjerry@
File: 11003F.ZIP (45838 bytes) DL Time (46667 bps): < 1 minute
Yellows, oranges, tiger striped orange and reduced patterns.
Wm
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One person had inquired about anything resembling spiders, once I sorted this is the message I relayed " I have some nice reduced patterns but nothing in here is spiderlike, but there is a wide variety of those pastel colored animals."
I.E Pastel colored- pink, creamy yellow, light sherbert orange which is where the miscommunication came from I'm sure.
The rest were fancies "greens, granites, green granites, so so reduced patterns, labyrinths, jungle pattern, high golds, high contrast, black backs"
THESE ARE NOT MORPHS yet all of you have called them that.....they are varients. The ONLY one that was mislabeled was the pastel colored animals and that has been explained.
The help replied to him after placing the ad as did he several others with an almost identical message.
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Date: 5/11/2004 6:32:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: BriarPatch Herps
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______ I went through the group and nothing really impressed me that I'm going to stick a "spider" label on. I do however have some very nice pastels posted.
Wm
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Tim,
You had those chondros posted for months and we discussed a lot of different options. You were looking to eliminate your chondro collection and needed the money....for christmas I believe, sure you told me you would think about it whenever I offered something which was fine.....We both took time to kick it around, I thought about it....and kicked the idea to the curb. So?
You never held those animals FOR me, you had been holding out for the right price and your ad was marked as such *PRICE IS FIRM* You even had the animals cages for sale which you wanted to sell as a package. As for the chondros I own and have owned not ONE animal is wild caught. The high yellow chondros I had posted ARE outcrossed animals produced from OS bloodlines and high yellow Biaks bred by John Mack. The patternless Aru IS a TW selectively bred animal.....ok, you know chondros. Surely you aren't saying you know every animal they've produced on sight and have kept up with color and pattern changes with their growth as well as kept track of how many times the animals have changed owners. Don't pull things out of left field bud, that's just wrong.
David,
During breeding season high quality healthy female balls bring $300-$500 from anyone who knows all the potential of breeding them to co-dominant genes, pieds, spiders, mojaves ect ect. Ig you buy a quality animal for less you hosed the guy. It's a matter of supply and demand, EVERYONE needs an army of females so nice ones are scarce, when they are available they aren't cheap. Scroll the ball ads starting back in late fall and see what you come up with.
And yeah, you're right....I am shrugging all this off. What else can I do? I've explained until I'm blue in the face, apologized for the error AND corrected it.....................if any of you think I'm going to say I did something I didn't to quiet down your little lynch mob, or if you think I'm going to get all tore up because several people can't look at the big picture......you're nuttier than squirrel sh!t.
Swap places with me.............worry about a F.U.B.A.R mistake I've handled to the best of my ability or focus on my physical and medical issues that are at hand? I'd suggest taking "Worrying about what matters for $1000 Alex"expecting It's of NO concern to you unless you wish to not be contacted for ANY trades unless SPECIFIED and that's all you have to say......you'll not be contacted again. I.E Pastel colored- pink, creamy yellow, light sherbert orange which is where the miscommunication came from I'm sure. THESE ARE NOT MORPHS
Females bred to high dollar genes, not co-dominant genes only
chad
breeder
Wm,
I did post most of my collection. For the reason you said. I was honest when I replied to you and the other people. I could have said all sold. As for you being pissed about that you have no reason to. Just because something is posted does not mean it will be sold. I had NO prices with them. As for this issue, I hold nothing against you. I just thought people should know you offered these animals to me last week. Unless it was your helper that emailed me? If you check my last reply on this thread I said I hope it works out for you. I have nothing to forgive you for, I was never mad about anything. I was still wondering if you got that female for the male lab. and if you did are you keeping her. Sorry if it seemed like I was attacking you.
Chad Umbaugh
I did post most of my collection. For the reason you said. I was honest when I replied to you and the other people. I could have said all sold. As for you being pissed about that you have no reason to. Just because something is posted does not mean it will be sold. I had NO prices with them. As for this issue, I hold nothing against you. I just thought people should know you offered these animals to me last week. Unless it was your helper that emailed me? If you check my last reply on this thread I said I hope it works out for you. I have nothing to forgive you for, I was never mad about anything. I was still wondering if you got that female for the male lab. and if you did are you keeping her. Sorry if it seemed like I was attacking you.
Chad Umbaugh
I was typing still while you had already replied...I never seen your post until I was finished.
I emailed you on the lab about animals I was "told" to be expecting, you know how that goes. There may still be some in this batch, I have a good number that haven't shed yet so who knows.
As for the lab, yeah I'm keeping it. I have an albino male lab that can go next season.
And I'm really not trying to be pissy but this is just ridiculous, I don't need it right now and haven't done anything to deserve it. I can roll with the punches and give as well as I recieve so there's no harm done.........that's been my view throughout the whole thing.
Some dogs growl back lol
I emailed you on the lab about animals I was "told" to be expecting, you know how that goes. There may still be some in this batch, I have a good number that haven't shed yet so who knows.
As for the lab, yeah I'm keeping it. I have an albino male lab that can go next season.
And I'm really not trying to be pissy but this is just ridiculous, I don't need it right now and haven't done anything to deserve it. I can roll with the punches and give as well as I recieve so there's no harm done.........that's been my view throughout the whole thing.
Some dogs growl back lol
lets get this straight, I was not selling off my collection, why would I do that. I had a few extra snakes that I dont have mates for and decided to sell. And I did hold the animals because we were going to do a trade for the gila, but of course you were like uhh at the end and so it didnt happen. Id also love to see pics of your supposed "john mack and TW" animals parents and proper documents. As I have been reading what has been posts by others, it seems u pick out wc gtps too and then claim they are some morph or from a breeder. Hey wanna do a trade?