Dan Scolaro bad guy.

[Craigh]

But that's you just saying it Dan. How will we not know it just one of your friends coming here and saying it. Summit pictures or maybe vet statements. Do you get an of you stuff checked out before you sell and ship ? If you made as many sales as you said you did. How come you don't make sure there healthy before sending. I am not joining no one. Just someone who was following the thread who started to get sick of all your hear say and BS. I wasn't going to post here but I felt like I had to.

I hope others following this thread cause there's a lot now cause a lot of ppl are linking this on other reptile sites. IBD is a big deal and something not to joke around about... Do you at least under stand that ?

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Come on now Chuck.

What do you have to say now that you know the breeder screens the snakes for IBD? Say something? Don't just stand there with that stupid look on your face? Spit it out? Make up more curse words and name callings. Give me what you got.

When the other buyer who examined the snakes provides his verification that the boas were in perfect health just before I shipped them, are you going to also dig a hole and stick your head in it?

What is that noise I hear outside? Is that you I see holding a shovel?

Dan

 

[Craigh]

Still no document proof .....

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Craig:

Alvin is an older fellow who's only interaction with me was to purchase that boa. He called and asked if he could drive up and mentioned some issue with him getting around. Since he sounded like he was going to have problems driving the long distance, I offered to meet him in a supermarket parking lot near his home.

When we met, he took each boa out and was quite smart to examine each snake head to toe and held each one and felt them up and down and he was indeed quite the smart buyer to inspect them so closely. He chose 1.1 of the more attractive specimens.

I don't know of Alvin before that purchase but did see him only once again at a local reptile show a few weeks ago. I asked him how his boas were doing and he said great and said they have grown a lot. I told him that someone reported IBD in one of the other boas he did not buy and asked him if his were ok and he said they were great. There are others that know him and can attest to his good character and he has no reason to embelish or lie about anything.

But again, I have a perfect record on honesty with my customers. As such, why do you think I or anyone for that matter would send a sick snake to someone and then refund them the next day more than they paid for it? For kicks? I have 4 children to support and don't have time to throw away money on such silly contentions. The buyer was to be a long-term customer of mine and I wanted to impress him with the snakes, so any conjecture that I intentionally sent a sick snake is purely crapola and only the nasty guess work of folks like Chuck.

I know IBD can scare folks. I have been keeping snakes since 1970 and breeding them on and off for more than 20 years. I know what impact the scare of this can be to the community. If I thought for one nano second that snake had a IBD virus/disease, I would never bring in another reptile into that hold room and would freeze the few that are usually in there. I know what I saw and packed, and I packed a healthy snake. I admit they were very hungry at the time and am quite sure their only interaction with me was food. They were snappy for food when I bagged them trying to naw my hands to death and I got bit good when bagging them. I can only guess that one must have latched onto the other during the trip? It was a sad event and I paid the buyer for the mishap. I personally believe the snake died from bodily injury/trauma associated with being strangled as it suffered a week in pain and those cells showed up. If not, then the disease surely would have shown in the other snake as IBD virus is highly contageous. It did not. Nor has the disease shown in the other snakes. I now learn the breeder screens his snakes for IBD and there was a health certificate associated with this deal. Also, I am quite confident the buyer must of had the other specimen tested for IBD. He has not reported it within that specimen. The breeder has no reports of IBD in his specimens. IBD virus is not here, not there, not anywhere except in Chucks underware.

Of importance is one photo missing. The first photo I was shown depicted the snake in a bent up wrangled stance with the bloat part rammed down to the very lower half of the snake. It was sideways and looked like someone squeezed the snake to death but it was still alive and a fresh photo of when he opened the bag. Later the snake got its wits and stretched out and that is the photos shown. The photo of it appearing strangled is missing. I can only guess why?

Dan

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Craig, if I go through the trouble to track the vet certificate down, you must agree to dig the hole and push Chuck in it. Just say the word and give me the time and place, and I will show with the document.

Dan

 

[Dan Scolaro]

The health certificate for those snakes is in Miami at my brokers place. It is heck of a coincidence that I am going there tomorrow to see him and pick up a shipment of vipers from Cairo. I will of course ask for a copy of the health certificate. In the mean time, get Chuck that shovel. How do you post pics here? I just remembered that I have a photo of those snake before they were shipped.

Dan

 

[Seamus Haley]

Someone just emailed me that the reputable breeder of these snakes screens his collection for IBD

And the lies continue.

'course Dan Scolaro doesn't know what IBD IS and so the lies are obvious... but they continue.

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Seaman: Check out the email below my friend. Are you going to apologize and jump in the hole with Chuck.

Dan


Dan,

If those Boa's came from XXXXX, there is no way they had IBD. They are routinely screened for any types of virus. Do you have the vet certificate that XXXXX sends to you when you recieve a shipment? If so, that might clear that up.

 

[ravensgait]

Wow Dan you really need a reality check. This describes you to a T-- If you tell the same lies long enough and loudly enough, even people who know better will despair and concede the point.
May as well keep wearing those two fingers down because it doesn't look like we are there yet Dan.

Second time in a week that I've posted that, so many people so full of crap. might just have to add it to my Sig line.. Randy

 

[Seamus Haley]

Dan, you can't screen live snakes for IBD. They tend to get a bit... y'know... dead with the liver completely removed.

 

[critical bill]

Dan, I don't know what you're problem is, but you mention me on just about everything you post or reply to. (7 times in 6 posts to be exact). One post you mention me twice! I mean its cool if you're replying to me, but I haven't posted anything in like 10 or 12 posts.

Whats your story? You subscribe to playgirl or something like that? I'm just telling you I don't get down that way. I really don't know what to make of you being so infatuated with me. Its a sort of stalking feeling. Spooky.

You were a sailor in the US Navy..weren't you?

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Seamus:

I don't know what dips you have in any of this, but are you man enough to retract your comments about me being a liar now that you've seen the email?

By the way, the breeder is quite reputable and is well known for providing hundreds of healthy and beautiful specimens. There has never been any report of any issues with the hundreds produced and dozens are sitting with some of the best known breeders in the business today.

However, it would be important if you otherwise know of any issues with them as your professional expertise on the subject perhaps would contribute valuable insights to this discussion on the matter.

If not, then I may I politely suggest that you refrain from idiotic comments without forethought and contribute something productive like getting busy with that shovel with Chuck.


Dan

 

[critical bill]

Goodnight Danny! It was real fun day for me!

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Chuck: Well since you started this fun, and it's been quite obvious to everyone over the years that you've never been with a lady, I thought I'd be chipper about it and bend you over and give you what you really want.

Dan

 

[Seamus Haley]

Seamus:

I don't know what dips you have in any of this,

I have no idea what that means.

but are you man enough to retract your comments about me being a liar now that you've seen the email?

Have you stopped beating your wife?

You did not post an email, you posted some text that may or may not be from an email, attributed to an anonymous source with any information that might have been relevant blocked out.

Even if the text was pulled from an email, it doesn't change the simple fact that conclusive IBD testing is something that can only be accomplished with an animal that is already deceased. It doesn't change the way that your ramblings about bone damage and strangulation indicate that you were unaware of what IBD was (and likely confused it with MBD when you generated your excuse). And it doesn't change the fact that the vet report does conclusively indicate that inclusion bodies were present in the necropsied snake.

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Chuck, and good night also. Thanks for the fun today. And don't let those visions of digging a hole bother your sleep. And don't forget to put the garbage can lid on your trash can bed tight because some rat might crawl in and chew on your tail.

Dan

 

[Dan Scolaro]

Seamus:

Well no offense, but I am too sleepy to figure out what you are trying to say below, but if you are saying that IBD can only be tested with a dead animal, then I don't have any arguement with that if true.

I am not sure where or when or how but I don't recall getting confused with IBD or MBD or FBI or CIA? I don't recall anyone mentioning MBD but I never read much of anyone's comments anyway so if I missed it, then take away a cookie and call me another name and blame my ignorance on other folks email on the nasty folks who call names so I don't read much of some comments and such. Yea, inclusion bodies were discovered in the snake. I did not make the snake, I did not strangle the snake, the other snake strangled the snake so blame the other snake, not me as I told them both to behave when I bagged them. And I really did believe it or not as they were trying to eat my fingers.

And had this been a full blown outbreak of a so called IBD virus, then why has it not shown in the other snakes? If you believe it was a virus, then it must be in the other snakes right? How come none of the other boas I shipped in the bag and box have it? How come none of the dozens of boas I bought and shipped since don't have it? At the time, I only had 5 boas, the 2.2 costa ricans and 1 peach surinam I sent with the costa rican pairs and it took many weeks for me to find some other decent ones to purchase and sell. So if this disease hangs around, why hasn't the disease shown up in any of them if a highly transmitted disease? I only have colubrids at the time, a few lizards, and skinks, but no boas or pythons acting goofy or sick.

Hey, if IBD is tested on only dead snakes, then perhaps the breeder kills a snake and subjects it to testing? That would seem feasible if you are producing dozens/hundreds a year and its your bread and butter.

Dan




Even if the text was pulled from an email, it doesn't change the simple fact that conclusive IBD testing is something that can only be accomplished with an animal that is already deceased. It doesn't change the way that your ramblings about bone damage and strangulation indicate that you were unaware of what IBD was (and likely confused it with MBD when you generated your excuse). And it doesn't change the fact that the vet report does conclusively indicate that inclusion bodies were present in the necropsied snake.

 

[Cat_72]

Buyer sent it off for an exam and the exam said it had no parasites, no bacteria, and had bone cells present which obviously came from the snake being strangled by its mate in the bag.

Dan, would you care to point out just where in the report it mentions "bone cells" being present? I must be missing it.

And explain to us all, who apparently are less educated, how exactly one does conclusive IBD "screening" on their breeding stock, on a regular basis? I'm really curious to hear that information, as it must be some new, innovative procedure the rest of us have yet to learn of.

 

[Seamus Haley]

Dan, would you care to point out just where in the report it mentions "bone cells" being present? I must be missing it.

And explain to us all, who apparently are less educated, how exactly one does conclusive IBD "screening" on their breeding stock, on a regular basis? I'm really curious to hear that information, as it must be some new, innovative procedure the rest of us have yet to learn of.

Just 'cause I'm the kind of person who can't leave some things alone. There have been attempts made to detect IBD in snakes that are still alive, a surgical biopsy being used rather than a full necropsy. It's a reletively recent method and is inherently more likely to result in a false negative than a full necropsy would be. It's not something that anyone does as a preventative screening measure though, it's expensive, it carries the risks of invasive surgery and it's only going to be done by people who have a strong reason to suspect that it may be neccessary. There aren't too many vets who would be qualified to even make the attempt using a live animal, even fewer working in a setting that's open to a public customer base.

 

[Cat_72]

Just 'cause I'm the kind of person who can't leave some things alone. There have been attempts made to detect IBD in snakes that are still alive, a surgical biopsy being used rather than a full necropsy. It's a reletively recent method and is inherently more likely to result in a false negative than a full necropsy would be. It's not something that anyone does as a preventative screening measure though, it's expensive, it carries the risks of invasive surgery and it's only going to be done by people who have a strong reason to suspect that it may be neccessary. There aren't too many vets who would be qualified to even make the attempt using a live animal, even fewer working in a setting that's open to a public customer base.

I knew YOU knew that, Seamus....

I also made sure to add the word "conclusive", as I don't believe the biopsy method can be considered completely conclusive. A better rate of accuracy than the blood tests, I'm sure, but still not conclusive IMO....nor something you would do on a "regular basis" with your breeding animals.