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Dawn Grassi

LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE,HER EYES WEREN'T AS BAD AS THE PIC THAT LISA IS SHOWING,AND IF THIS WAS SUCH A PROBLEM THEN WHY WOULD SHE POST THIS AFTER RECEIVING THE DRAGON?

You have new Feedback on your auction item


Feedback writer: Beginnersbasicsreptiles

with following Comments:

Great packaging and equally great dragon. Looks very well cared for. Thanks for a smooth, easy transaction!


You can find your feedback at:

http://www.reptibid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl?action=viewratelogin


Thank you for using Reptile Auction
AND WHY EMAIL ME THIS???

She is here and looks great!


Thanks
Lisa Dodd


Quality, Hardy, Friendly and Affordable Bearded dragons
Beginners Basics Reptiles

I ALSO SEE THAT YOU ARE FROM MICHIGAN,I GOT THIS DRAGON FROM A REPUTABLE BREEDER IN TROY MI. YOU PROBABLY KNOW HIM,HE HAS VERY NICE DRAGONS
 
Jeff,

If you going to post edited emails, you might want to make sure you change the header on them and not post two different ones with the same header, date and time :) It might give people the wrong impressions about you.

Where does she say as you claim she asked for a full refund and keeping the dragon? No were from what you posted, she said she would get it medical attention, its not eating and a trip back would probably kill it right now if reshipped again.

I believe she was offering to have it treated and then returned to you, but she also asked you to take it back too and have her get medical treament yourself... the option was yours and if you want it reshipped knowing that, thats you risk too, your the one that sent her out like that.

PLEASE, answer the prior questions about "genetics" and not informing a buyer...... you have already admitted thatYOU'RE the one that shipped her in the first place not disclosing all the information about her that you were aware of. Then threating her that she had to arrive back alive or she is out everything???????

Again, please provide the medical receipt for the Vet check or name of the Vet that examined her and declared a dragon like this healthy.

This should not cost her $80-$100 in shipping because you fail to disclose genetic problems or other issues with animals you sell as "perfect".

You felt it worthwhile to post that she had no tail nips and no toe nips, don't you think a "genetic problem" or eyes drooping so bad they don't close...... significant? I would call that VITAL information on a future breeder dragon
 
Jeff,
That eye looks fairly droopy to me as well...but it's the other side and dragons are not symetrical, just like us.....of course the stress of shipping could have exaggerated the drooping as well, but there definitely is drooping in the pic you posted as well. And personally I think she is too thin....fat pads on her head are a bit sunken in your head shot....body rather flat and not well filled out, thin legs.....not horribly so or anything, but definitely not well filled out as they should be at that age.....that alone would tell me underfed, which can be fixed, parasites, which usually can be fixed, or possible kept with others who dominate the food, which to can be fixed....but coupled with the droopy eyes would lead me to believe a more in depth health problem......

The fact is you sold a dragon without disclosing something.....knowing that she was "different"....it's misleading....
 
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Problem with Blood x snow female


In a message dated 4/3/2004 9:59:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
If you want you can send her back for a full refund.She had a complete check up about 1 month ago.Let me know,Dawn

NOW THIS IS WHAT LISA WROTE!!!IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME JUST EMAIL ME AND I WILL FORWARD IT TO YOU,I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT THE HEADER IN THIS FORUM.-----

Are you willing to cover the cost of return shipping? and also refund me in full the $240.00 I paid via Paypal?

I feel she was misrepresented by you and you were aware of it. You knew about her eyes and never once mentioned it in the ad or in emails to me after I paid. Nor did you show a picture of her eyes in the ad. They were all shots taken from above her in an attempt to hide her medical problem.

This dragon is a prime candidate for liver failure and obviously has some sort of absorption problem. She should not be resold to another buyer. Especially a novice bearded dragon keeper. I told you in a previous email that all these signs and symptoms she is showing have taken quite a while to get this bad and can not happen over night or in a few days time. She has been ill for months and this was not disclosed to me. In fact, the ad read




BEAUTIFUL BLOOD X SNOW FEMALE



Awesome 9 month old 17" Blood x Snow female,she is in perfect health,has no tail nip or missing toes and is beautiful,this is her normal coloring,she is not wetted down or fired up,she is in partial shed!!!She eats like a pig.Buyer is to pay with paypal.And pay $40 for shipping






You can simply refund me my $240 and I can keep her here and try to get her the needed medical attention, or you can refund me the $240 plus return shipping and take care of her yourself. The choice is yours, I await your reply.


Thanks
Lisa Dodd


Quality, Hardy, Friendly and Affordable Bearded dragons
Beginners Basics Reptiles

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Jeff,

Please stop blowing smoke on the main issue. Lisa stated in her first post why she sent that and what she saw shortly after and contacted Dawn about.

You posted two emails with the same header start but different messages, again, not the issue here, but interesting

NOW, back to the REAL ISSUE here.

1. Vet Report or name
2. Why not disclose what you believe is a genetic problem
3. Why advertise her perfect when you believe she has a genetic problem
4. Vet report or name
5. Why only overhead pics on the ads
6. Did I mention we wanted to see the vet report or name?

BTW, just noticed there is another thread here on you, did Alex ever get his $650 back?
 
Jeff,
When the vet said this dragon was healthy, did he do any tests?
Or did he just look at the dragon and say "It's healthy"?
Was it a herp vet?
I would have to think that a good vet would see the dragon's eyes and want to do some blood tests. If your vet saw this animals eyes and handed it back saying it was healthy, I'd find another vet.

You keep bringing up that Lisa e-mailed and said the dragon looked good at first.
Does it really matter if she didn't see it's eyes until later?

You know the eye problem exists, so whether she caught it right away isn't the point. The eyes were droopy before, during and after shipment, and was never disclosed.
How long it took the buyer to notice the (unmentioned) defect should not even be a concern.

I do not believe any buyer should have to pay return shipping on a misrepresented animal of any kind.


Christy
www.classylizard.com
 
Fact is I was offered a refund, but when I emailed to clearify it and also see if they were willing to pay return shipping and that I would get the entire $240.00 back that is when things started to get "ugly". I was told that they would not refund shipping and would not pay to have her shipped back and that they must receive a "healthy" dragon back.
Shortly after that I went to paypal and filed a claim. (This was after about a dozen emails back and forth). I then got an email from them saying the paypal case would be dropped, then another saying it was already canceled by paypal. I logged on and checked the status and according to my account it is still active and being reviewed.


ANYONE is welcome to email ME and I will forward them EVERY email I have sent and received. Just make sure you have a couple hours to spare and a cup of coffee in hand.... It was well known that she was bought to be a breeder and this is the FIRST I have heard of anything "Genetic". I really do believe a "genetic defect" is and should be mentioned in the ad and after the sale to make sure the buyer still wants her.

Now to cover another issue...... That picture they just posted of the side view of that dragon was NOT on the ad I bought her from. http://www.reptibid.com/cgi-bin/auc...s&BIDTOVIEW=a_lizard_beardeddragons1080765995 If that doesn't work it is item #1080765995 On Reptibid.

In fact I got this email and replied to it as below.....

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Subject: Re: Problem with Blood x snow female
Date: 4/3/2004 5:13:18 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: BeginnersBasics
Reply To:
To: dawngra@edited

In a message dated 4/3/2004 4:52:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:

"Like I said,I never heard of droopy eye syndrom.Since I did not have a picture of her with her eyes showing,why didn't you ask since you know about this syndrom?Dawn"

Because it is not a common occurance and 99.9% of dragons do not have it at all in any form! "Droopy eye syndrome" is simply what I and others call it and not a technical name. Why should I inquire about something that should have been mentioned in the ad in the first place? A normal, healthy dragon's eye fills the eye socket and does not stay at the far top of the eye socket with nothing but a big empty space below it.

"Also when you received her you emailed me and said you were very happy with her.You can't change your mind the next day."

I have not changed my mind. When I emailed you I thought she was simply overly dehydrated. It wasn't until later after she had settled in that I started questioning her eyes. I left the feedback within 30 minutes of getting her here and the packaging was great. She was a healthy size and weight and looked well cared for,etc. But like I said, I didn't overly stress her by giving her a thorough examination right out of the box.

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This dragon is now entering into day 3 of being here and still has not eaten a thing. If she doesn't start eating soon, she will not be in any shape to ship back to them anyway. Another shipping may very well stress her enough to kill her next time.

I asked for a partial refund and keep her here as a pet and get her the medical attention needed, I have asked for a full refund and keep her here and get her the medical attention needed, and I have asked for a full refund plus return shipping..... It should be the seller who makes these offers, not the buyer who was misled and bought a sick dragon.
 

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I think Dawn/Jeff should just get the dragon returned, issue a full refund, and cover shipping for the mistake. Even if you did not realize that the droopy eyes is a problem (which I can understand since I wasnt sure what it was), now you do.

Since you just bought the dragon and siblings 6 weeks ago, perhaps you can take it up with the person you bought them from? Although it is probably beyond their guarantee period... but maybe they can shed some light on the issue?


Dana
 
I OFFERED A FULL REFUND OF HER PURCHASE PRICE,AND EVERYBODY IS ASSUMING THAT SHE IS SICK!! HER EYES ARE A LITTLE DROOPY?? IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY IS SAYING THAT ANY LIVING THING THAT HAS DROOPY EYES SHOULD BE ELIMINATED FROM THE GENE POOL!!! WOW!! NO ONE HAS PROVEN THAT SHE IS SICK!! SEND HER BACK FOR A REFUND OR DROP THE ISSUE,IF YOU TOOK HER TO A VET AND THEY SAID SHE WAS SICK LIKE YOU'RE ASSUMING THEN I COULD UNDERSTAND ALL OF THIS.BUT THESE ARE ALL JUST ASSUMPTIONS. WHEN YOU OPEN UP YOUR NEW DRAGON THAT JUST ARRIVED HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY OVERLOOK THE EYES??? HER EYES WERE NOT AS DROOPY AS THE PHOTO LISA POSTED. SEND HER BACK FOR A REFUND OR DROP THE ISSUE
 
Jeff,
Why don't you post the vet receipt or tell who the vet was??? That would eliminate some of the problems here.
If you say you thought it was a genetic issue and the animal is not sick, why would you sell it to someone who clearly wanted a breeder beardie? That is not exactly a desirable trait.
On one hand you ask how she couldn't notice it, in the next breath you say that it was not that bad. Which one is it?
Are you saying that if she sends you back the beardie that you will give her a FULL refund? That would include shipping?
You did not disclose information on this beardie, you are responsible for it.
Save face, do the right thing, refund all of her money!
 
Please don't type in caps, its only tells people you are yelling to get your point across, since we do not see things your way. We will not see them, you failed to inform a buyer of a very important issue with this dragon. One that is a symptom not only of genetic issues, but illness and terminal disease too

Maybe the two pictures are different and she does not look as bad as they are different dragons , I think you are getting her confused with one of the sisters you also have there, the dragon you posted showing the eye "not so bad" has different back markings, in the one picture there are breaks in the pattern on the upper back, in the other there are not, dragons can not change that much in one week that the markings stop flowing together or break
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That clearly shows the markings are different, one is your picture you posted here the other is the dragon's picture that Lisa got from you and posted. They are not the same dragon!

If she sends back the dragon are you acknowledging that you realize she is not eating, might die in transit from the stress of two shippings and promising to refund her purchase price and shipping, even if that happens?

The buyer should not incur a cost because you failed to disclose information that has a direct bearing on the health of an animal and that it might not survive being returned due to that. I for one do not buy the genetic thing. I think it is more serious than that and that the dragon is declining.

Please make your position on this VERY clear so there are no more *misunderstandings*....above you said purchase price, there is an additonal $40-$50 already for shipping she has paid, and your asking her to incur another $40-$50 out of pocket to correct your mistake.

Are you refunding all that?
 
Jeff, you said:
It is not sick and I believe it is genetic.
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If you believed thatthe dragon had a genetic defect then you had the responsibility as a good and honest seller to inform your potential buyers of this fact. Ethical breeders do not want to breed animals with genetic defects because it means they are just spreading the defect out among all the offspring of the defected animal. Now if someone wanted to keep the dragon as a pet then great, but it does significantly decrease her selling price IMHO.

You did not represent that beardie honestly, you were in fact misleading in your ad by not mentioning the droopiness of the eyes. At the very least, you should have told the buyer about the so called "genetic defect". So, you were wrong, need to admit it, apologize, and refund the full purchase price of the dragon (with shipping), along with the return shipping cost. It does not matter if the buyer initially gave you good feedback, like she sadi, she thought the animal was dehydrated. Once she realized that was not the case, she contacted you. Just do the right thing and stop being greedy for crying out loud!
 
The picture that I posted is the dragon that I sold to her,look at my picture along with the pictures on reptibid.It also seems the pictures Lisa is posting are more yellow.But oh well. If the dragon is sent back I definitely expect a live arrival guarantee,she even said it is eating well and at a good weight.And several people on this forum said that this is a problem that takes months to develop.
 
Good catch Cheri, those two animals are clearly different.
Jeff you need to come on here and post clearly what your position is.
I do think the best thing for you to do is give a full refund. You are looking very bad by not posting responses and your postings suggest you are on the defensive.
You did not disclose information that should have been disclosed. By you not speaking and doing the right thing I am inclined to believe that there is no vet and that you lied just as not disclosing info can be construed as a lie. False information, deceptive pictures. It sure is not looking good. Again, is this worth it? Save face, do the right thing.
 
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If I received a dragon that appeared to be SEVERELY DEHYDRATED,I would not post positive feedback and email the seller saying that the dragon is very nice.I would email the seller and say"she seems to be severely dehydrated,I will let you know how she is doing later on." Now I am done with this discussion.I offered a refund and she must arrive alive for the refund to be issued.And I will refund shipping!!!! I think alot of you are Lisa's friends or something.But take the offer or leave me be!
 
The problem with that Jeff is that with the animal sick there can not be any guarentee of live return. Also, if you misrepresent the animal in the first place and post different pictures who is to say if the animal does arrive alive that you will say it is dead to get out of paying?
Those are some things I would be thinking about. For the buyer this can be a lose lose situation.
 
Has anybody noticed the color of the dragon in Lisa's pictures??? It is a different color than the photo that I posted of her on this site and a different color than the photos that were on the auction site??? I'm sure there is a good reason for this?? Correct?All of the pictures I posted are of the dragon that I sold.
 
Thats total bull!!!

You know that dragon has a problem, she never said it is eating well, its not eating at all.

Lets just cut the playing its a genetic game, I do not buy that at all...... this dragon most likely is in renal failure, a condition she had PRIOR to you shipping her off and she is declining from the stess of being shipped. Yes, the pictures are probably more yellow, that happens with renal failure.

Also if that is the case, which is a high probability, you know it will probably not surive shipping again and will die attempting it.

Nice try to cop out and get a good price for a sick animal.

If your going to jobber animals, you need to accept the responsibility of them having potential problems and not pass that off to buyers without disclosing ALL the information. You also need to learn a little more about their health situations if you do not know, which you have indicated here and Dawn did in her emails.

You also need to learn when your totally in the wrong and a sale is going to cost you becasue some people are not going to get jerked around by you.

Do the right thing...... refund all her cost, talk to her and work out to get this animal back with the least risk to it and if your choice is shipping it now, take responsibility that it may not make the trip.
 
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