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Ed Clark,don't buy frogs from him!

Cat_72 said:
My kids learned at an early age that the excuse of "But everyone else is doing it!" isn't a legitimate excuse. Just because others may be doing it doesn't make it right, or any less of a lie.
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Dont get me wrong I am not legitimizing it at all. I am just making the point that if we are going to bring Ed up on charges of lying about breeding the animals he sells make that a different thread so that we can let this one be at rest since it was brought about for the sole reason of charging him with selling a sick animal. :willy_nil :willy_nil
 
Yeah that may be that she brought it up but I thought the tos for this site was to stay with the original subject, maybe I am wrong but i thought it was determined that he was innocent of the charge of deliberately sending a dead frog so now we are off that an onto trying to grill him for not being the breeder. I just think it should be in a different threat so as not to muddy the waters any further and confuse the reader that may start at the beginning and not finish because of all the rabbit trails.
 
GOLDENSERPENT said:
Dont get me wrong I am not legitimizing it at all. I am just making the point that if we are going to bring Ed up on charges of lying about breeding the animals he sells make that a different thread so that we can let this one be at rest since it was brought about for the sole reason of charging him with selling a sick animal. :willy_nil :willy_nil
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But additional information comes to light through the course of many threads....the OP didn't know this until after the fact. She may very well have included it in her original post, if she had known at the time.

That and well, the whole thing about Ed lying about actually producing the animals he claims to breed has been brought up on just about every other bad guy thread about him, so.... :shrug01: I guess some folks thought that maybe even though he lied about actually producing a lot of the snakes he had sold, maybe he was actually breeding all of these frogs.

As far as Ed being found "innocent"....well, I guess "innocent" means different things to different people. Yes, he followed his own TOS, and yes, it's very possible that he did not know the frog was sick when he shipped it out. Legally, technically, he may be "innocent". Ethically, well....debatable IMO.
 
I see your point Cat and Bill I was only stating the obvious and yes had she known it she would most definately have started out with that about his impropriety about who really bred the animals.
 
I've kept quiet, because I saw no real proof of Ed's doing wrong at first. Besides the fact that he's a no good liar, and a good definition of the word scumbag, unless I missed it, there still hasn't been a necropsy report scanned and offered to substantiate the OP's claims. Could've went down a lot different if you had.

But it got me to thinking about all the other low down things Ed has done, the mites free of charge sent to people who didn't want them, trying to sell unproved genetic mutations to some poor newby, Ball Pythons crapping out full grown tape worms, attacking female members behind their backs in forums they couldn't access, and now frogs that die within a day of receipt.....Why is it Ed, that you have never offered the same proof being asked of the OP? Where's your proof of all the testing that you've done to ensure this, "couldn't have come from Ed"? You got some special critters that are immune to parasitic onslaughts or something?

See, I ain't willing to give you, Ed, the benefit of the doubt here anymore, because of your own history. And now it comes out, that you may have misrepresented the Whites as your own production. Which I believe with all my heart that you probably did just that. That is exactly your style afterall. :yesnod:

Got any proof Ed, that that frog couldn't possibly have been sent sick? I suppose you had it tested like all the others? How bout proof that you produced it? I say if you'll lie about producing it, then you'd lie to try and save your no good rotten hide. :yesnod: Why don't you just give the girl her money back? Prove you ain't the rotten mofo that I say you are. :thumbsup:
 
crotalusadamanteus said:
unless I missed it, there still hasn't been a necropsy report scanned and offered to substantiate the OP's claims.
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It was posted...you missed it.

I'm still not totally convinced Ed was at fault here, especially based on the e-mail from the zoo verified and posted by Harald. However, his overall treatment of this customer leaves ALOT to be desired.
 
I'll have to go back and look. Thanks.

But i still don't think Ed's in the clear completely. He has that flat denial habit whenever someone presents a sick animal that came from him. "Couldn't possibly have come from me". Something stinks.
 
Missed the whole page actually. :eek: My apologies to the OP.

And as for Ed's emails that Harald posted....sorry, they just didn't do much to convince me. The Zoo received animals that are doing well as I read it. But the only mention of testing comes from Eds fingers. I didn't see an acknowledgment of it. Though it's apparent he was bating for it.

It just doesn't clear him IMO. It's the whole, "no its not possible for that frog to have anything at all. " stuff that is bugging me.

Something stinks IMO.
 
To be fair, however, this long, drawn-out thread is about whether Ed knowingly sold Kelly a sick frog and owes her the costs of the frog, shipping, vet and associated tests costs.
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Why does it matter if Ed knew the animal was sick when he sent it? The vet report shows that the frog had hepatitis a day after it was delivered. Whether it was showing signs or not, it wasn't healthy when it was shipped. It's not like the frog died 6 months later and the OP came here to blame something on Ed that could have happened in here care. It arrived with Hepatitis at the very least, possibly bacterial infections, and we are waiting on results for a fungu test.
 
Very critical words Richard! :(

These come from an idiot that cant keep his own affairs in order but he will tell others how to keep their affairs in order.

He is so stupid he leaves an adult albino boa in his car in 100* heat and someone comes along and steals it, then he cries about it.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111688&page=1&pp=5

crotalusadamanteus said:
I've kept quiet, because I saw no real proof of Ed's doing wrong at first. Besides the fact that he's a no good liar, and a good definition of the word scumbag, unless I missed it, there still hasn't been a necropsy report scanned and offered to substantiate the OP's claims. Could've went down a lot different if you had.

But it got me to thinking about all the other low down things Ed has done, the mites free of charge sent to people who didn't want them, trying to sell unproved genetic mutations to some poor newby, Ball Pythons crapping out full grown tape worms, attacking female members behind their backs in forums they couldn't access, and now frogs that die within a day of receipt.....Why is it Ed, that you have never offered the same proof being asked of the OP? Where's your proof of all the testing that you've done to ensure this, "couldn't have come from Ed"? You got some special critters that are immune to parasitic onslaughts or something?

See, I ain't willing to give you, Ed, the benefit of the doubt here anymore, because of your own history. And now it comes out, that you may have misrepresented the Whites as your own production. Which I believe with all my heart that you probably did just that. That is exactly your style afterall. :yesnod:

Got any proof Ed, that that frog couldn't possibly have been sent sick? I suppose you had it tested like all the others? How bout proof that you produced it? I say if you'll lie about producing it, then you'd lie to try and save your no good rotten hide. :yesnod: Why don't you just give the girl her money back? Prove you ain't the rotten mofo that I say you are. :thumbsup:
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Ed Clark said:
Very critical words Richard! :(

These come from an idiot that cant keep his own affairs in order but he will tell others how to keep their affairs in order.

He is so stupid he leaves an adult albino boa in his car in 100* heat and someone comes along and steals it, then he cries about it.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111688&page=1&pp=5
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That was so wrong to go there. Someone should snatch you and butcher you up like that.
 
Originally Posted by crotalusadamanteus
I've kept quiet, because I saw no real proof of Ed's doing wrong at first. Besides the fact that he's a no good liar, and a good definition of the word scumbag, unless I missed it, there still hasn't been a necropsy report scanned and offered to substantiate the OP's claims. Could've went down a lot different if you had.

But it got me to thinking about all the other low down things Ed has done, the mites free of charge sent to people who didn't want them, trying to sell unproved genetic mutations to some poor newby, Ball Pythons crapping out full grown tape worms, attacking female members behind their backs in forums they couldn't access, and now frogs that die within a day of receipt.....Why is it Ed, that you have never offered the same proof being asked of the OP? Where's your proof of all the testing that you've done to ensure this, "couldn't have come from Ed"? You got some special critters that are immune to parasitic onslaughts or something?

See, I ain't willing to give you, Ed, the benefit of the doubt here anymore, because of your own history. And now it comes out, that you may have misrepresented the Whites as your own production. Which I believe with all my heart that you probably did just that. That is exactly your style afterall.

Got any proof Ed, that that frog couldn't possibly have been sent sick? I suppose you had it tested like all the others? How bout proof that you produced it? I say if you'll lie about producing it, then you'd lie to try and save your no good rotten hide. Why don't you just give the girl her money back? Prove you ain't the rotten mofo that I say you are.

If he can make comments like that I'm sure he's a big boy and can handle when Ed bites back.
Just curious why no one said anything when he made the comments about Ed Clark.
 
captnemo said:
Can any of the frog experts here explain causes of Hepatitis in frogs? Just curious if this is a husbandry issue, diet issue, or communicable.
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I'm really curious about that, too. I don't claim to be an expert, but I have never read or hear about a herp having any strain of Hepatitis virus. Mammals and birds, yes. Herps, no. I do know Hep strains can be transmitted through fecal-contaminated water, bodily fluids, blood, saliva, etc.
I do hope someone can educate me on a "herp Hep".

And Ed ... that was so low. So very very low. I cried over it ... and don't know the man. Heartless :censored:

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