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Good Guy "Eric Ivins" of "South Central Herpetological", extremely impressed.

I honestly feel like if you rich or you ron had received the exact same monitor I did, you'd be looking at a dead monitor just like me, its not right. This whole situation is just all around bad. The african savannah has a 6 month long dry season which is actually cooler than the wet season, humidity didn't kill my savannah nor did stress or lack of UVA/UVB lighting. Stop making those things your point of your argument, I could find that justifiable if this was 3-4 months down the road but two weeks? He sold me a sick animal that was doomed from the get go.

Lets say that I had 18" of that mixture of soil Eric reccomended, a UVB light and had put newspaper on the front of the cage like he never told me to do in any emails. I still would have had to go in or near the cage to mist it, add or remove crickets/dubias, check temps/humidity which guess what? would have stressed the animal out to some degree. The animal should have lasted more than 2 weeks, I'm sorry but you will never get me to understand your logic you keep arguing.
 
camaro3800series2 said:
Also, the african savannah where these animals hail from IS NOT THAT HUMID!!! his cage stayed at 65% which is reccomended for these animals.

You guys can say what you want but the animal should have lasted more than 2 weeks, even in worst possible conditions, which he wasn't in. Stress doesn't kill a Sav in 2 weeks.
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Its not that humid in the African Savanah, on the surface! Its also hot in the Chaco region, and dry in the hot season, but if you tried to keep a pacman frog in those conditions, it would be dead in a day.
These animals spend a considerable amount of time underground.

It should have lasted more than two weeks, unfortunately, I think that yellow, household lightbulb along with stress from shipping and unfavorable housing conditions lead to its demise, not anything Eric did.
 
how could that light harm him if his temps were correct you idiot! you saw the picture of what my temps were..I tried the standard 100W and 125W neodymium bulbs you find at petco and his temps would only get to about 105* at best.

You sir Ron, are an idiot and I think you should see your way out this conversation you are obviously losing..
 
camaro3800series2 said:
how could that light harm him if his temps were correct you idiot! you saw the picture of what my temps were..I tried the standard 100W and 125W neodymium bulbs you find at petco and his temps would only get to about 105* at best.

You sir Ron, are an idiot and I think you should see your way out this conversation you are obviously losing..
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You sir, with that post just lost all credibility... And probably soon few words from a Moderator.

And they make hundreds of different style bulbs for different species. Ceramic heat Emitter is your choice of blub or Radiant Heat Panel. Both would of gotten you 150-160F basking temp easy. Bulb you were using was bad practice, they get HOT to the touch and known to burst when touched at full operating temps.
 
camaro3800series2 said:
I'm hoping he does, he won't respond to my emails...I'd like to get this sav to the local herp rescue but I'm not sure if I need to keep him around as proof incase he wants proof hes not eating..
my wife told me today that while I was at work he began tilting his back and doing some kind of swirling circular motion with his head and then regurgitated a clear/reddish fluid that looked bloody..
this monitor is not stressed, its sick. Probably full of parasites. .
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...And it never occurred to you to take it to a vet. You were more interested in playing the waiting game, and leaving it to it's fate, than you were in actively trying to help it. If you had shown the least bit of empathy for the montitor, and sought professional diagnosis and treatment, you may have had a leg to stand on. However, you were more interested in sticking it to the seller, than actively trying to do right by an animal that was suffering.

It looks to me that the only thing that kept you from bailing on it completely, was the possibility of reimbursement. I think you saw it as little more than an investment of a paltry $22 + shipping, that wasn't worth putting much effort into. Not as a living thing that seriously needed help.
 
ApexPredatorBoids said:
...And it never occurred to you to take it to a vet. You were more interested in playing the waiting game, and leaving it to it's fate, than you were in actively trying to help it. If you had shown the least bit of empathy for the montitor, and sought professional diagnosis and treatment, you may have had a leg to stand on. However, you were more interested in sticking it to the seller, than actively trying to do right by an animal that was suffering.

It looks to me that the only thing that kept you from bailing on it completely, was the possibility of reimbursement. I think you saw it as little more than an investment of a paltry $22 + shipping, that wasn't worth putting much effort into. Not as a living thing that seriously needed help.
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I had already invested close to $300 in this monitor because "good guy Eric" sent me an 18'' instead of the hatchling I requested. I didn't have the funds to drop another $200 on a exotic pet vet bill..sorry but my mortgage is more important than a monitor that came to me already sick.
 
I already know I'm going to have to resolve this situation through paypal. Plus, he lost a future customer and I'll be telling everyone I know to be on the lookout for him. I'll be purchasing my next Savannah and a pair of Sulcatta's from Underground Reptiles..They actually send whats listed on their ads. They put 10-13" Big Savannah Babies, they don't say "hatchling size" and you end up with a nice size 18" yearling surprise!
 
camaro3800series2 said:
a monitor that came to me already sick
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Doesn't look sick to me. And since you chose not to take it to a vet, it'll never be more than an unsubstantiated claim. Nor does it look like it's 18" long. I'd guess closer to 12". It looks like a very well-proportioned, healthy young monitor. One that's being kept in a cage that's entirely too big for it. Aside from your other husbandry faux pas, the size of that enclosure, alone, is probably enough to make a good case for you having continually given it an overabundance of stress. Especially when they're young, they're most comfortable in fairly tight, enclosed spaces.

camaro3800series2 said:
regurgitated a clear/reddish fluid that looked bloody
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Guess no one though it'd be worth documenting this, photographically? Since you say it's already dead, how about posting a picture of it upside down, and stretched out next to a tape measure.
 
ApexPredatorBoids said:
Doesn't look sick to me. And since you chose not to take it to a vet, it'll never be more than an unsubstantiated claim. Nor does it look like it's 18" long. I'd guess closer to 12". It looks like a very well-proportioned, healthy young monitor. One that's being kept in a cage that's entirely too big for it. Aside from your other husbandry faux pas, the size of that enclosure, alone, is probably enough to make a good case for you having continually given it an overabundance of stress. Especially when they're young, they're most comfortable in fairly tight, enclosed spaces.


Guess no one though it'd be worth documenting this, photographically? Since you say it's already dead, how about posting a picture of it upside down, and stretched out next to a tape measure.
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Its def 18" or more, it's about an inch longer than my female leatherback beardie that is 17". Also I did take a picture of the regurgitated goo..and that well proportioned savannah u thought looks healthy is now stiff as a board dead in a box right now smart ass. Also the cage I had him in is PERFECT size for an 18" snout to tail length monitor. Don't chime in when you don't what the fuck you're talking about.
 
camaro3800series2 said:
Its def 18" or more, it's about an inch longer than my female leatherback beardie that is 17". Also I did take a picture of the regurgitated goo..and that well proportioned savannah u thought looks healthy is now stiff as a board dead in a box right now smart ass. Also the cage I had him in is PERFECT size for an 18" snout to tail length monitor. Don't chime in when you don't what the fuck you're talking about.
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You need social skills and grow up some when you want to have a grown up conversation.

That wetup was far from perfect, you stop chiming in like mr.know it all monitor whisperer. All your doing is black balling your name from future business for selling or buying...
 
camaro3800series2 said:
Its def 18" or more, it's about an inch longer than my female leatherback beardie that is 17". Also I did take a picture of the regurgitated goo..and that well proportioned savannah u thought looks healthy is now stiff as a board dead in a box right now smart @$$. Also the cage I had him in is PERFECT size for an 18" snout to tail length monitor. Don't chime in when you don't what the :censored:you're talking about.
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In the time it took you to write out that idiotic post, you could have just posted the regurgitation picture that you claim to have, as well as taken another picture to prove it's the size you're claiming. Can't imagine why you'd be so reluctant to prove what you say...if you can.

I guess that when you've already had made such a fool of yourself, as you have with both your words and your pictures, you may as well just go for the easy-out, and run your mouth until you get banned. Your own pictures are working against you, so it's kinda hard to talk your way out of them.

That cage isn't even remotely optimum; neither in size, nor in layout. It's way too open. In the wild, open ground is the most likely place to fall victim to predators. There's clearly nowhere near the claimed 5" of dirt in there, so it wouldn't have been able to make a burrow to feel safer. Even if the soil wasn't clearly too dry. An incandescent bulb, that's within very easy reach, isn't a particularly bright idea (pun intended). And I think that cage is simply too big for such a small monitor. Especially one that's already stressed from shipping and from your insistence on handling it, without an acclimation period.
 
At this point, I'm going to refund the price of the animal and move on. I'm not going to replace the animal just to have the same outcome. There is still no proof that the animal is expired to begin with. Either way, this is my decision. If Mr. Throckmorton wants to pursue a Paypal claim, he is more than welcome to do so.
 
Kevin did the ad say captive bred? If not everyone I know that gets a WC animal is ready to treat for parasite, bacteria/infection no matter who the animal is from. I don't know of many that provide more than a live arrival gaurentee on WC imports, I would suggest you wating around for 2 - 3 weeks is what killed this moniter, not treating for parasite or bacterial infection and letting the animal slowly die while waiting for email response I would say is 100% on you. Eric giving you a refund is above and beyond in my estimation.
 
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Yeah thats a nice size hatchling huh? I've owned savannah monitors before WC and Farm Bred. I've never seen one just flat out refuse to eat in 2 weeks of owning it. Once again, heres your proof, Eric Ivins hasn't refunded anything. I'm doing this in the hopes that future buyers that google his name will come across this thread like I did and think twice before making a purchase from him. Once I get my refund, I'll post that I received it, but until then I'll reiterate he is 100% lying about the refund.
 
and mark the ad said CH which means captive hatched. Basically from what I understand the importers in Africa go around to burrows and retrieve the eggs and incubate them. Unless Eric was lying in his ad, this monitor was familiar with human contact straight out of the egg.
 
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=53&de=921378

heres a link to his ad..see how the monitors he takes pictures of fit nicely in his hand? Quite a surprise when I received the monitor pictured above...
Either way, just being significantly other than described is enough for a paypal claim.

Also, he charged $45 for shipping from Florida to southeastern NC, he's been making money on shipping charges. I ordered a Savannah last night from Houston, TX and the shipping was nowhere close to $45 for traveling twice the distance. Both salers used FEDEX as well.
 
camaro3800series2 said:
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=53&de=921378

heres a link to his ad..see how the monitors he takes pictures of fit nicely in his hand? Quite a surprise when I received the monitor pictured above...
Either way, just being significantly other than described is enough for a paypal claim.

Also, he charged $45 for shipping from Florida to southeastern NC, he's been making money on shipping charges. I ordered a Savannah last night from Houston, TX and the shipping was nowhere close to $45 for traveling twice the distance. Both salers used FEDEX as well.
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Dude you need to learn the norm of shipping. Dont knock someones prices if you dont ship.

A lot of shippers CHARGE for their time of dropping the box off at fedex, the boxes themselves, bags, heat packs, cold packs and so on. Box size plays a huge role in price more than weight. Some ship a lot and get better rates then others. So dont use that as an excuse like hes banking off the shipping charges, as hes not.

But so glad you dont care much about the savannah to go out and order another one . Without getting a necropsy done to find out why it died.:ack2:
 
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