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Good Guy "Eric Ivins" of "South Central Herpetological", extremely impressed.

Having shipped from NC to many places, I can say that Eric is not making money on shipping at that rate. I'd make sure that the other place didn't use two day delivery or something. Shipping is expensive and it seems that you are grasping at strands trying to make Eric look like a bad guy.

You had a legitimate complaint at one point, but your childlike accusations and poor ability to express yourself has just made nobody reading this thread want to deal with you. I'm not saying that Eric was perfect in this transaction, he did not provide the animal as described.

Stand back and look at the situation and it should become obvious that you did not do everything as well as you could have. I can't believe that you didn't get that animal in to see a vet. You bought a non captive bred animal, that means that there are going to be issues. You need to learn to take some responsibility for what happens to you. You went from being in a position where people would have rallied behind you to the point where people are telling you to get over it because you would not accept any responsibility for anything and apparently couldn't look up basic husbandry information and follow instructions.

Chris
 
RichsBallPythons said:
Dude you need to learn the norm of shipping. Dont knock someones prices if you dont ship.

A lot of shippers CHARGE for their time of dropping the box off at fedex, the boxes themselves, bags, heat packs, cold packs and so on. Box size plays a huge role in price more than weight. Some ship a lot and get better rates then others. So dont use that as an excuse like hes banking off the shipping charges, as hes not.

But so glad you dont care much about the savannah to go out and order another one . Without getting a necropsy done to find out why it died.:ack2:
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you make a nice defender of Eric, why haven't you addressed the fact he shipped me a monitor 3x bigger than it should have been? Why haven't you addressed the fact hes listing things and shipping people nice surprises so they have to run around and make last minute arrangements? Maybe this is what stressed the monitor to point of death? the fact that he had to spend 4 hours in my bath tub while I ran to lowe's to buy lumber and glass to make him a last minute enclosure?
 
JCCS said:
Having shipped from NC to many places, I can say that Eric is not making money on shipping at that rate. I'd make sure that the other place didn't use two day delivery or something. Shipping is expensive and it seems that you are grasping at strands trying to make Eric look like a bad guy.

You had a legitimate complaint at one point, but your childlike accusations and poor ability to express yourself has just made nobody reading this thread want to deal with you. I'm not saying that Eric was perfect in this transaction, he did not provide the animal as described.

Stand back and look at the situation and it should become obvious that you did not do everything as well as you could have. I can't believe that you didn't get that animal in to see a vet. You bought a non captive bred animal, that means that there are going to be issues. You need to learn to take some responsibility for what happens to you. You went from being in a position where people would have rallied behind you to the point where people are telling you to get over it because you would not accept any responsibility for anything and apparently couldn't look up basic husbandry information and follow instructions.

Chris
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IF I would have received the animal as described, I wouldn't have had to spend the extra $ on lumber, glass, screws, etc. AND I would have been able to afford the vet bill. Also the closest exotic animal vet we have that will accept a monitor is a 2 hour drive away in Raleigh. We do have exotic animal vets in Wilmington but they only deal in birds and we have one that is an Iguana specialist. Trust me, I called around to everyone. The best I could get out of the local vets was to force un-flavored Pedialyte down the poor monitors throat. I wasn't prepared to do that because I didn't want to further stress the animal during its time of what you guys call "acclimation".
 
camaro3800series2 said:
you make a nice defender of Eric, why haven't you addressed the fact he shipped me a monitor 3x bigger than it should have been? Why haven't you addressed the fact hes listing things and shipping people nice surprises so they have to run around and make last minute arrangements? Maybe this is what stressed the monitor to point of death? the fact that he had to spend 4 hours in my bath tub while I ran to lowe's to buy lumber and glass to make him a last minute enclosure?
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Most people take that as a Plus getting something bigger or getting a female when you wanted male...

And that monitor would of been fine in the cage you had till you got the other together right. There was NO need to rush around and cut corners.
 
So basically what you're representing out here is that you ordered an imported animal for $22 without knowing what you're doing, then got pissed when an animal importer didn't send you exactly what you wanted. At this point you decide to run around and half-ass an enclosure together for an animal that still isn't all that large. You never had UVB/UVA lighting, something that should have been there for any monitor.

You're really starting to resemble your avatar, man. Mr. Biggums never could admit when he was wrong either.

Chris
 
camaro3800series2 said:
Maybe this is what stressed the monitor to point of death? the fact that he had to spend 4 hours in my bath tub ?
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In the seemingly likely event that you didn't have enough sense to thoroughly clean out the bath tub, maybe that did contribute to it's death. Licking up soap scum, shaving cream, or whatever other funk may be growing in your drain, may have played some part in it.

You had a valid gripe with the size of the lizard you received. However, when you've posted a half dozen things that show you provided poor care, I think your gripe died the moment that your likely ineptitude and lack of concern allowed the lizard to die.
camaro3800series2 said:
I didn't have the funds to drop another $200 on a exotic pet vet bill..sorry but my mortgage is more important than a monitor that came to me already sick
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Your mortgage payment stood in the way of getting it the medical attention it needed, but it didn't you from buying another one. That's interesting. You're offering nothing but lame excuses and rationalizations.
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I'm doing this in the hopes that future buyers that google his name will come across this thread
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Future sellers may also find their way to this thread. And I doubt that they'll come to a very flattering conclusion as to what to expect from you. The seller may have dropped the ball, in regards to accurately representing the actual size. However, I think everything else has done nothing but make you look like someone to be avoided.
 
You all can try to back me into a corner all you want, the fact of the matter is that even if I did provide poor husbandry (no UVA/UVB lighting, 0% humidity, etc.) which I didn't..the animal should have lasted more than 2 weeks! You all are ignoring the cold hard facts and pointing out facts that would have made a difference if this was 3-4 months down the road NOT 2 weeks! I'll say this again, this was NOT my first Savannah monitor. I've raised 1 from hatchling size to 2.5 ft before I traded it a year down the road.
 
He sold me a sick animal that would have died in anyone's care. I gave him a full week and a half of time to get used to his enclosure only going in to refill water bowl, add crickets/dubias, and check temps/humidity. I guess you guys are gonna say "Oh man, that behavior is what stressed him to the point of death, it's your fault dude" when any of you would have done the same thing. This monitor arrived to me dehydrated and despite having a full water bowl at all times at his disposal, refused to drink from it because he was sick upon arrival! You guys wanted the Truth! but dammit you flunkies can't handle the truth!
 
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the monitor arrived today safe and sound, hes def ALOT bigger than I was
expecting. I had two hatchlings once and they were quite abit smaller. He
is taking to handling better than I thought and I feel like hes starting to
trust me some. Thanks again for the quick turn around and I'm very happy
with the purchase.




camaro3800series2 said:
This savannah arrived to me sick and there is nothing wrong with my husbandry.
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So what's the deal here? First the critter is wonderful and you are happy, and then....?
 
Kevin, nobody backed you into a corner, period, stop playing victim. Nobody buys that. Everyone here has said that you had a legitimate gripe. The issue is how as soon as someone asked a very valid question about your husbandry, you came out swinging. Out of curiosity, how old are you? You claim to have a mortgage, but you come off as maybe 18-19 yrs old. Speaking of mortgages, Dan asked a very good question that I wish I had thought of and that you failed to address. Why is it that you couldn't pay for a vet visit, but you could afford a new monitor? Also, about the vets in your area, I grew up in Carteret county and we had vets there that could deal with herps. If there is a vet near you that deals with iguanas, I'm quite sure they could do a fecal exam on your monitor and get you some panacur. It's not all that complicated of a deal.

What I'm hearing is that as soon as you didn't get exactly what you wanted, you had two options, to be professional and to be a child about it. You've chosen to throw a temper tantrum like a child. After seeing this, I have no idea why any seller would want anything to do with you.

Chris
 
I recieved a Savannah from Eric. Beautiful animal. Eats like a disposal. It was shipped properly to me. Hatchling size as promised. Beautiful animal. Savannah's are tough animals.
 
JCCS said:
Kevin, nobody backed you into a corner, period, stop playing victim. Nobody buys that. Everyone here has said that you had a legitimate gripe. The issue is how as soon as someone asked a very valid question about your husbandry, you came out swinging. Out of curiosity, how old are you? You claim to have a mortgage, but you come off as maybe 18-19 yrs old. Speaking of mortgages, Dan asked a very good question that I wish I had thought of and that you failed to address. Why is it that you couldn't pay for a vet visit, but you could afford a new monitor? Also, about the vets in your area, I grew up in Carteret county and we had vets there that could deal with herps. If there is a vet near you that deals with iguanas, I'm quite sure they could do a fecal exam on your monitor and get you some panacur. It's not all that complicated of a deal.

What I'm hearing is that as soon as you didn't get exactly what you wanted, you had two options, to be professional and to be a child about it. You've chosen to throw a temper tantrum like a child. After seeing this, I have no idea why any seller would want anything to do with you.

Chris
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Ok. I understand that but in order to perform a fecal exam the monitor has to poop. The only thing this monitor did was regurgitate the clearish fluid with a hint of blood two times. I have a vet that is 4 miles from me that will do a fecal exam for reptiles but that is all they will do.

And on a side note, I'm 25 years old and have been keeping reptiles since 2004. Thanks for quoting my email above, that email was sent the day I received it. I was quite happy with the purchase til I realized he was sick and realized he would not eat or drink. This was my first monitor that was this big on purchase, my other 2 monitors ate from tongs straight out of the box.
 
That same vet won't give you a course of panacur? I highly doubt that.
 
Skanakis said:
I recieved a Savannah from Eric. Beautiful animal. Eats like a disposal. It was shipped properly to me. Hatchling size as promised. Beautiful animal. Savannah's are tough animals.
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Wish I could have been so lucky, go back a few pages to see the 18'' hatchling I received..
All the hatchlings I've had in the past were also good eaters.
 
JCCS said:
That same vet won't give you a course of panacur? I highly doubt that.
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They have to have a fecal to give panacur, dude don't respond with such idiotic replies. A vet is not just gonna hand out panacur on a whim like that. Especially to a monitor thats still being acclimated. I thought one of your arguements was to leave the monitor alone to get used to its surroudings and now your talking about administering a medicine to it.
 
Either way the animal is dead, its not gonna come back, my new one will be here Tuesday and its hatchling size just like I wanted to begin with. Still have not received a refund from Eric Ivins.
 
You calling my reply "idiotic" is a big clue into how little you know about this whole deal. In my experience, vets will play on the safe side. If you come in with a wc animal, they know that it more than likely has parasites. Panacur isn't a schedule 1 substance, they'll usually prescribe it without proof the animal needs it. It's a "better safe than sorry" deal.

You can be rude all you'd like, but that increase the righteousness of your statement.

Chris
 
camaro3800series2 said:
They have to have a fecal to give panacur, dude don't respond with such idiotic replies. A vet is not just gonna hand out panacur on a whim like that. Especially to a monitor thats still being acclimated. I thought one of your arguements was to leave the monitor alone to get used to its surroudings and now your talking about administering a medicine to it.
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A reptile expert since 2004 has never heard of a cloacal swab procedure? Perhaps the issue may have been a bacterial infection, possibly stress-aggrevated. Had you shown any interest in actively finding out, there were diagnostic options that would have been available.

Your husbandry was fairly laughable, as was your acclimation period. You went out of your way to state that it was starting to trust you. That very strongly implies that you absolutely disregarded the need for an adjustment period, and handled it multiple times. So how about you stop trying to hide behind the pretense that you actually put any effort into letting it acclimate:
camaro3800series2 said:
my other 2 monitors ate from tongs straight out of the box
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Another thing that crossed my mind: Since the enclosure was seemingly just thrown together in a big rush, there may be more environmental causes, aside from poor husbandry. Did you use water sealer on the wood, caulk in the joints? Give the paint time to thoroughly dry? Since you were apparently in a big hurry to get it into a huge box, I find myself wondering if maybe there were harmful chemicals and fumes that it came in direct contact with.
 
First off, the picture you provided to show the length ... the tape measure is placed 1 1/2 to 2 inches from the tip of his nose, at the most he is 16" which is still bigger than a hatchling, but not so big that it wouldn't have been comfortable in a 20 gal tank for a few days, till you could get a proper set up for him.

The undue stress you put this animal in, coupled with poor husbandry & lack of parasite treatment, is what did the savannah in.

The shipping was spot on for coming from FL. I have had frogs shipped from Eric & the shipping was right at $50.

You are being overly sensitive to criticism.
 
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