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I just logged on after taking Sunday off. Monte, thank you for your vote of support. I am disheartened by this whole mess. Alex, you say I was told that people were turned down for this project. At this point I am in no position to dispute what anyone says but i recall telling you I would like to see pure white albinos that don't darken with orange pattern. I do NOT recall you mentioning anyone being turned down for this project. I was under the assumption that you were pleased to receive the price for the animal, you even ate the shipping. I thought Dan P's "morphs for less" statements were history and that he was "in the loop" - he had bought several animals from different people and said he had breeding loans also. This is the first negative I have EVER received in 15 years of keeping reptiles. I always give good prices, service, animals, freebies. Ask Hailey Lau in Washington State, a vet student. She purchased a $75 Rainwater, I sent her a free hatchling. I mistakenly sent a preemie in the next bin that was wobbly. I felt very stupid and promptly sent her two nice animals at my expense. Look at my trader rating if it isn't trashed by now. Why would I call Alex knowing that he would find out Dan P had gotten animals from me if I knew he had refused Dan animals ? Dan P originally told me of Alex's animals and how he wanted in but was tapped out - no money. I saw the ad, it looked like alot of ads " great investment, etc. " - seeing this I now see how it could be. I honestly thought there would be few takers at the price and that Alex was glad to make a sale. I'm not the brightest guy in the world ( obviously ) but if I knew Dan P was turned down that would be suicide. I have had no contact with Alex after the conversation about the weight discrepency until Alex emailed me asking if I'd sold the animal. He said he had a guy saying he'd bought the animal - I said " Is his name Dan Poe ? ", didn't think that statement was wrong. I went on to tell him I did in the next sentence. There have been several posts complimenting Dan's animals - I saw one a few weeks ago from Robin saying she wouldn't sell to him and that's why some others wouldn't also. I emailed Dan P to get copies of the three moneyorders for the male - I can show you my deposit slip about 5 days AFTER the male was shipped. If I'd originally purchased it for him I would have gotten payment first, as in his first two buys from me. When I contacted Alex about the weight discrepency he said his scale was of when weighing another animal ( ball python ? ). My wife was already aware of the purchase and I was in the doghouse - now I'm past the outhouse. Alex said right up front that I could return the animal but he sounded pissed. I didn't want to renig on the deal and make an enemy so I was going to keep the animal. Dan P was very anxious to do a breeding loan, he was emailing me a few times a day. i told him what was up, he said he'd talk to his mom. He emailed me again and said his mom was going to be his partner. I told him he'd be bailing me out if he got the male. He said there was a break in the weather, could I ship. I said I would, my wife looks at the geckos every day and I wanted it out - she knew it was the $1250 one. I'd spent $2800 on more redstripes from HQ a few months earlier and should've quit then - obviously. I sent the male and received payment like a week later. I had no idea that this project was so closely guarded. Dan P sent me a picture of the hatchling and I wasn't too impressed -I didn't tell him that of course. I see here that there were threatening calls made - hopefully the phone company can trace the calls. I posted about Kelli in anger about her posts but there's no way I am going to jeopardize my job - it looks like she is the one getting threatening calls. I can send copies of my phone bills. I'm sure at this point nothing I say will be believed but that's all I've got.
 
Actually Dan, if what is said can be backed up you have gone a fair way towards getting yourself out of the muck poe has brought you into.

Think twice, post once, or is that measure twice and cut once? Either way, posts made in anger or haste usually come back to haunt you. I know I SURE like them when people leave them for ME to use.
 
Why Dan might have been misguided and made a wrong choice, I don't think he did this knowing what he knows now. I'm afraid I'm with Monte on thsi one. As for the phone calls, well, I think they sounded a little bit too young for Dan if I remember correctly.

Dan Lubinsky said:
I just logged on after taking Sunday off. Monte, thank you for your vote of support. I am disheartened by this whole mess. Alex, you say I was told that people were turned down for this project. At this point I am in no position to dispute what anyone says but i recall telling you I would like to see pure white albinos that don't darken with orange pattern. I do NOT recall you mentioning anyone being turned down for this project. I was under the assumption that you were pleased to receive the price for the animal, you even ate the shipping. I thought Dan P's "morphs for less" statements were history and that he was "in the loop" - he had bought several animals from different people and said he had breeding loans also. This is the first negative I have EVER received in 15 years of keeping reptiles. I always give good prices, service, animals, freebies. Ask Hailey Lau in Washington State, a vet student. She purchased a $75 Rainwater, I sent her a free hatchling. I mistakenly sent a preemie in the next bin that was wobbly. I felt very stupid and promptly sent her two nice animals at my expense. Look at my trader rating if it isn't trashed by now. Why would I call Alex knowing that he would find out Dan P had gotten animals from me if I knew he had refused Dan animals ? Dan P originally told me of Alex's animals and how he wanted in but was tapped out - no money. I saw the ad, it looked like alot of ads " great investment, etc. " - seeing this I now see how it could be. I honestly thought there would be few takers at the price and that Alex was glad to make a sale. I'm not the brightest guy in the world ( obviously ) but if I knew Dan P was turned down that would be suicide. I have had no contact with Alex after the conversation about the weight discrepency until Alex emailed me asking if I'd sold the animal. He said he had a guy saying he'd bought the animal - I said " Is his name Dan Poe ? ", didn't think that statement was wrong. I went on to tell him I did in the next sentence. There have been several posts complimenting Dan's animals - I saw one a few weeks ago from Robin saying she wouldn't sell to him and that's why some others wouldn't also. I emailed Dan P to get copies of the three moneyorders for the male - I can show you my deposit slip about 5 days AFTER the male was shipped. If I'd originally purchased it for him I would have gotten payment first, as in his first two buys from me. When I contacted Alex about the weight discrepency he said his scale was of when weighing another animal ( ball python ? ). My wife was already aware of the purchase and I was in the doghouse - now I'm past the outhouse. Alex said right up front that I could return the animal but he sounded pissed. I didn't want to renig on the deal and make an enemy so I was going to keep the animal. Dan P was very anxious to do a breeding loan, he was emailing me a few times a day. i told him what was up, he said he'd talk to his mom. He emailed me again and said his mom was going to be his partner. I told him he'd be bailing me out if he got the male. He said there was a break in the weather, could I ship. I said I would, my wife looks at the geckos every day and I wanted it out - she knew it was the $1250 one. I'd spent $2800 on more redstripes from HQ a few months earlier and should've quit then - obviously. I sent the male and received payment like a week later. I had no idea that this project was so closely guarded. Dan P sent me a picture of the hatchling and I wasn't too impressed -I didn't tell him that of course. I see here that there were threatening calls made - hopefully the phone company can trace the calls. I posted about Kelli in anger about her posts but there's no way I am going to jeopardize my job - it looks like she is the one getting threatening calls. I can send copies of my phone bills. I'm sure at this point nothing I say will be believed but that's all I've got.
 
proof of what..... that YOU'RE SMOKING CRACK !!!

If that animal in the picture looks "thin"....man you've got alot of issues that you need to go have checked out, hysteria, psychosis, retardedness, and the inability to comprehend.

Why dont you ask your lieing buddy lubinsky why the weight was off ?! same reason why 2 other males I sent out were also EXACTLY 5-10 grams lighter than what I thought they were...my scale ONLY GOES BY INCREMENTS OF 5.

Ask lubuinsky if this wasnt my reason for the weight being...off, better yet...wanna see the e-mail POSER ?

Ask lubinsky what my first reaction was when he claimed the Mack was lighter...SEND IT BACK FOR A 100% REFUND !!!

"i never said the infection came from you Alex "

Oh really ??? I could've swore the whole reason why I chose to put my little post up about meeting in court was because thats what YOU were insinuating ?! POSER!

Good try POSER at trying to change the tides....let me see, you were denied a gecko from me, lubinsky bought it for you after I explicitly in detail described to him where I would like to see this project go and how it was to be handled, lubinsky receives male, puts the male in with his females and sends the male on its way to you, you do the same shortly after receiving him. I dont believe any of that was part of anything lubinsky and I discussed ! Not to mention going by his email to you from above....his quarantine SUCkS !

One of the reasons why I was trying to protect this project is the very same reason why lubinsky did what he did...to keep greedy ass people like him from receiving a male, placing it with their females and then selling the male off.

As for lubinsky...does the phrase 2 faced/backstabbing/liar/BS artist sound like it fits?

Considering he knew my terms and reasoning for screening...considering he knew I was turning people down, considering he fed me a line of BS in order to obtain this animal and then turn around and try to play ignorance....yeah right.

Come on lubinsky.....tell me I didnt go over with you ANY OF THOSE things I said about screening/turning down people and how we discussed the future of the Mack snow ??? care to comment ?

lubinsky had the that male for a whopping 4 days !!! before sending it on...and my guess the only reason for that was because...1. he needed time to breed the male to his female and 2. it was not possible for him to ship until after the weekend.

As a matter of fact I can very well take him to court, I've got 9 other breeders that were explained as to why I was screening, why I was selective, and why I was turning down people. He was also explained to, that I was NOT looking for people to mass produce or sell off the male after placing it with few females but rather to work with the project to fruition. He was also very aware at the fact that I was trying to protect the people who initially invested and anything that could jeopardize that I would fight with nail and tooth....I've got 3 breeders right now that have committed to appearing in front of a judge and explain the circumstances of Mack snow purchases made from me.

As most of you should already know by now, I made it VERY CLEAR to EACH AND EVERY person I sold a Mack too....lubinsky WAS NO DIFFERENT with the exception he apparently didnt give a crap.

Anyone who purchased a Mack snow from me that is currently active on this thread will tell you that I was upfront about my TERMS !

As for anyone else that wants to tell me that lubinsky is a "good guy", I'll make it really simple for you... HE BETRAYED MY TRUST AND TERMS....HE F**KED ME HARD ! so please keep your "good" opinions of him to yourselfs as I have EVERY SINGLE RIGHT TO DEFEND MY OPINION OF HIM AS I SEE FIT...the deal was made BETWEEN HIM AND I...so unless you are me or any of the OTHER 9 owners of a Mack snow that I SOLD TOO...you didnt get FU**KED...considering I put my REPUTATION AND INTEGRITY on the line for every single Mack male I sold.

AS for poe...LOOOSER !
 
I don't know if an apology to all including the unwitting readers of these posts will be worth anything but here it is. I always try to keep the peace and here I am starting Gecko World War 3. Jeremy, if nothing else you know that I will share any of my projects so, Dan P notwithstanding ,now I know this was never a project for me in the first place.
 
yea i have that book too. there were no syptoms other than slowed eating for 2 days . im very careful and watch very closely . i caught it well before it could become a problem .

maybe you should also note where it says that basically cleanliness in itself can let the animal get through a parasitic infection on its own due to the fact it has a direct life cycle , and it is not re-infecting itself .

that along with medication , hydration , and love will get my animals through this ( if any others are infected ) .

that has not been found to be true , and we have many more fecal exams to go through .

it is not a problem for you , so please just mind your own business chris .
 
Well, hopefully you are using high temps and/or steam cleaning to treat all surfaces in and around the cage.

groovygeckos said:
Justyn , thank you but i am aware and have taken every precaution to not have the infection spread and is being treated . i am very capable .

i do not plan on letting anything out until i know that my other animals have not been infected and/or have been treated .
 
Hues1 said:
As for anyone else that wants to tell me that lubinsky is a "good guy", I'll make it really simple for you... HE BETRAYED MY TRUST AND TERMS....HE F**KED ME HARD ! so please keep your "good" opinions of him to yourselfs as I have EVERY SINGLE RIGHT TO DEFEND MY OPINION OF HIM AS I SEE FIT...the deal was made BETWEEN HIM AND I...so unless you are me or any of the OTHER 9 owners of a Mack snow that I SOLD TOO...you didnt get FU**KED...considering I put my REPUTATION AND INTEGRITY on the line for every single Mack male I sold.

AS for poe...LOOOSER !

OK lubinski, NOW this thread has taken a turn that may NOT be to your liking.

Explain please and you may just want to start another thread to keep the dan's separate.
 
groovygeckos said:
i never said the infection came from you Alex . here is the pic Dan sent me , it arrived pretty thin . you told Dan he was 70+ g. and the animal was listed at 65 g.

Am I missing something?


And my scale will not give an accurate weight if 1/3 of the leo is hanging off the scale plus the leo looks nice to me, not thin at all.
 
I'll hit you up in ten minutes Robin... whispering "Seven Days", hehe.

(saw the Ring2 on Sat.)
 
ross not nice... that crazy she devil... thats insane


anyways if you do i will hit redial and say something like where you can stick that scary drippy girl and that movie and how far
 
another thing lubinsky...your comment about

Alex said right up front that I could return the animal but he sounded pissed. I didn't want to renig on the deal and make an enemy so I was going to keep the animal.

See my e-mail below....yeah I WAS REALLY PISSED (sarcasm) !!!

I gave you the option to back out...so dont spew BS about how I was mad and crap and you didnt want to make an enemy be renigging on a deal.

I sent this e-mail to you THE DAY AFTER YOU RECEIVED THE MACK SNOW.

From: Sales @ Alex Hue Reptiles
To: Dan and Roxanne
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: MKSNW2M


Hey Dan,
Not a problem...I can make arrangements to UPS pick him up and ship him back and issue you a 100% refund.

Alex

YOU DECLINED MY REQUEST TO HAVE HIM SHIPPED BACK AND TO HAVE REFUND GIVEN TO YOU.

Wanna know what my guess is....because the animal was for the POSER!
 
robin s. said:
WHY CANT SOMEONE PRANK CALL ME... man i feel left out

Robin, its because they know you will kick the snot out of them through the phone line..... :hehe:
 
hows this for a time line...

11/28/04 thru 12/14/2004 poe was repeatedly declined for the purchase of a Mack male (same one that lubinsky inquires about around the 16th/17th of the same month via e-mail and ultimately ends up with)

12/29/04 lubinsky's card charged

01/05/05 Mack male shipped via overnight UPS to lubinsky from AHR

01/06/05 lubinsky receives

01/07/05 offer of complete refund for weight discrepancy was declined by lubinsky

01/08/05 saturday, 01/09/05 sunday

01/10/05 - Mack male shipped from lubinsky to poe
 
Looks to me like it was set up to go to Poe from the start..... I think this because the snow could not be shipped on friday, saturday, or sunday..... The next best day would be on that monday...... The first availiable shipping day...... It looks to me like it was unpacked, bred, packed up, unpacked, and bred again..... When was there a fecal done on this animal??? Before or after it was bred to the rest of Poes stock???? If the bug did not come from Alex (I am sure it did not) then it came from Dan L...... Seeing all of the positives on Dan Ls trader ratings and all the good things I have heard in the past this would be an unlikely situation..... But if it was the case that would mean that the snow picked up the bug quite quickly being that it was only in Dan Ls possesion for not even a full 4 days...... This would also mean that any animal that snow came into contact with in Poes collection would surely be infected......

I usually loose interest in threads pretty fast but this one has a new door opening with almost every post...... I cant wait to see what the next 24 hours brings.....
 
Gregg I think you are making assumptions that are unwarranted at this point. I'd be very careful of what I'm saying - this disease thing is serious, and it's not good to start casting about.
 
Well, this 56 page train wreck has outgrown the leopard gecko discussion forum. About time it gets moved to HELL or the BOI don't you thnk? It has all the makings of a classic BOI thread, maniacal ravings, threatened lawsuits, name calling, flame stoking and a new twist with threatening phone calls..... :toiletcla
 
Monte, what assumptions am I making???? I gave out the only possible senerios there can be...... I did not display anything as fact..... Also, why pick me out of the bunch..... I did not get the disease thing from nowhere..... It has been casted around this thread almost from the start..... I did not say anything that has not already been said.....
I seriously think you need to actually read all of the posts fully before you pop off about this and that.... Its cool that you want to hippie out the forum and all, but you need to get your facts in line before you tell anyone they are wrong or making assumptions..... Sometimes I think you post just to see you wise words in black and white..... (Black and green in this case)

I am a big boy Monte, so I do not need your advice on what to be careful about..... Pick someone else to preach to.....
 
Gregg I think you are making assumptions that are unwarranted at this point. I'd be very careful of what I'm saying - this disease thing is serious, and it's not good to start casting about.

Monte...I respect you a great deal because of your "neutral" level thinking and also because we've done business in the past.

But here are the FACTS...

All Mack snows were received by me around the first friday of November 04...all passed health and fecal examinations. All Macks were then again examined in the first week of December (secondary/follow up) all passed examination. All animals came exclusively and directly from John Mack...all animals were held onto from the first week of Novemeber 04 and non were shipped until the first week of January 05...(almost 8 weeks of isolation and non-contact with ANY other reptile...they were ALL housed INDIVIDUALLY in shoebox sized rack units). I for one am very cautious with my collection and my reputation as being able to provide healthy/parasite free animals...thus the holding period prior to shipping.

Then there are 2 Mack owners who have already stated here on this thread that they have done 2 more follow up fecals/examinations and both of those Mack snows came back with clean bills of health. We have a 3rd. Mack owner who claims their gecko is healthy and in tip top shape...albeit a fecal hasnt been done, but the Mack has been in their possession for over a 3 weeks now.

Now we have lubinsky and poe...no quarantine and no ethics...they receive the Mack male and immediately proceed to breed him with their females.

once again...where did it pick up amoebas from ?
 
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