Has anyone dealt with Cameron or Ashley Glucheff

[The BoidSmith]

I want to see a full body picture of the dead animal.. As far as we know the gentlemen caring for the dh ghost could have dropped a heavy item on it and ruptured something internally.. But without a vet visit or atleast a full body picture we will never know.

Good point. A full body picture of the snake alive right before it was shipped and one after it died may shed some light as of the cause of death. If the animal ate as Cameron claims it did we will probably see the bulge compared to the picture before it was shipped.

Regards.

 

[CGluhcheff]

Here is the full body picture as asked for:

 

[Randy T.]

While you are here to post the pic can you share with us the age of you, your partner, and the age of the person who the snake was shipped to?

Thank you

 

[The BoidSmith]

There is quite a gastric distension there. What size of a prey item was offered? What temperature was he kept at?

Thanks.

 

[CGluhcheff]

nothing further

My grandfather (a retired Deputy District Attorney for San Bernardino County) has advised me not to say anything further. You asked for a full body picture, so I have posted one. As for one before shipped you will have to ask Scott.

 

[Randy T.]

I am sure then that if your grandfather is not "allowing" you to say anything more then one of the 3 asked for ages is over 18.. What a load of crap...

 

[Randy T.]

I was thinking.. If you are so confident that you will win in a court hearing why not go and have the vet do a complete work up on the animal.. I wouldn't be surprised to see the results showing some sort of severe internal trauma. The worst case in this since you are confident in your winning in court then you can just tack on vet fees to the suit..

Just a suggestion.. It might shed some light on the situation for yourself.

 

[HerpVenue]

she is a special ed teacher.
her husband is in the military
her father is a retired district attorney.

therefore they are 100% totally right and can do no wrong.
(I see a lot of "bragging" in this thread)

it is not about money.....it is about principle. the fact that he sold to a minor.
that is why the first thing she wrote is the fact that the boa died.

who cares if it was shipped to an adult (meaning an adult took responsibility ad their waws obviously adult supervision)

who cares if they called themselves partners and pretended to be a business.

who cares if they "lied" errrrr mislead you.

who cares if they were supposed to be eighteen to be a member of that site.
who cares if they broke TOS
who cares if Mommy can't keep tabs on her own kid............(whoops I was wrong for writing that....after all she is a special ed teacher and can do no wrong)
who cares if she refuses to teach him the value of taking respnsibility for the sh!t you pull.

It is all okay. he can lie.......eeeerrrr I mean mislead, cheat, break the rules........... he can do all that. It is okay. after all she is a teacher who happens to be the daughter of a retired DA who happens to also be married to a member of the military. Obviously they are trying to tell you that they are in a class where they can do no wrong.


in fact they are so upperclass that they can tell you what kind of warranty to give and for how long.
they are so upperclass that if they do something wrong.....
1. you are wrong not them.
2. they will sue you for implying they were wrong.



Pull your head out of your ASS lady. You know it is about money and not principle.


p.s. I am in the military.....Maried to anurse who saves lives everyday. .........my point is you really did ot see me say ASS.
And if you think I said ASS
1. you are obviously lower class and are wrong.
2. I will sue you

 

[Wilomn]

For there to be liquid coming out of that snakes mouth like that shown in the picture, where there is NO other liquid, it is not a bad guess that the snake was fed a HUGE meal and then overheated, causing the food item to swell and possibly rupture the stomache or some other intestinal body. There is no liquid from the rear end of the snake. There is no evidence that the snake has been frozen and thawed for this picture but, there IS a fair amount of some sort of liquid coming from that snakes mouth.

Scott, I one time had a woman call me several times a week for two or three weeks and tell me that a boa she had bought from my store had died. I asked her for her name, went through EVERY RECIEPT I had written for the couple of months prior to her SUPPOSED purchase and could not find her name. I figured she had purchased it from another shop and was trying to get me to replace. It wouldn't have been the first time that was tried.

I informed her of the lack of reciept and she INSISTED that I, personally, had sold her the snake. I asked her for a necropsy. She didn't have one but wanted me to replace the snake.

After going on and on with her for those two or three weeks I told her to just quit calling me, that we had obviously never done business.

About a month later I get served to go to small claims court about a boa that died.

Ok, off to court I go. I get up and tell the judge just what I've related here: she said I, personally, sold her the snake. I had NO record of it and we wrote a reciept for EVERY reptile sold. I told the judge I did not recognize her at all and had never done business with her.

She got up and said I had sold her a snake that died but she had not taken it to the vet.

Then, in the audiance, I saw a young lady holding a snake I DID recognize. I had sold it to her two or three months previous to the court date.

FLASH, off goes the lightbulb.

I asked the woman if she knew the girl with the snake. She did, as it was her DAUGHTER. The daughter was a college student locally and had bought the snake from me. The daughter's name and the mother's were different, hence the no record of sale. I showed the judge right then and there my reciept for the snake, as I had brought my sales books with me, then asked the $64,000.00 question.

How if the snake DIED, was the woman's daughter wearing the snake around her neck?

Turns out the snake didn't die, it had gotten sick and they wanted money for vet bills but didn't think I'd pay for them as it happened after my guarentee period, which was stamed on every reciept we wrote, had expired.

Since I had NOT done business with the woman and the snake was NOT dead, the judge tossed the case then and there.

I know this is not EXACTLY like your case, but without a necropsy and if any of the purchasers or the person recieving the snake were over 18, this woman hasn't got a leg to stand on.

And shame on you for teaching your child to shirk responsibility. He bought the snake, it arrived alive and well, was verified to have done so and all was well.

Then someone KILLS the snake, if it is indeed the same snake, and you have the GALL to try to blame the guy who your son LIED to? You are some great roll model lady, real good job raising your kid there.

Wes Pollock

 

[HerpVenue]

For there to be liquid coming out of that snakes mouth like that shown in the picture, where there is NO other liquid, it is not a bad guess that the snake was fed a HUGE meal and then overheated, causing the food item to swell and possibly rupture the stomache or some other intestinal body. There is no liquid from the rear end of the snake. There is no evidence that the snake has been frozen and thawed for this picture but, there IS a fair amount of some sort of liquid coming from that snakes mouth.

my sentiments exactly.


how she was quick to blame the seller and never questioned the ADULT the snake was shipped to.

she never questioned the ADULT whom took responsibility of the snake

 

[Sasheena]

I found it was also interesting how she said she'd been to a reptile show recently and EVERY SINGLE SELLER THERE had a 7-day guarantee on their animals.

I guess I would like to know WHAT REPTILE show? I won't ask who was there, once I know the reptile show it's not too difficult to find out who sold there.


What I REALLY want to know... is this an issue over age or over the death of the snake.

If it's ONLY about the death of the snake, why bring age into the picture at ALL??

If it's only about age, why bring the death of the snake into the picture at all?

Seems the one doing all the bragging about "My relatives are more impressive than your relatives" needs to figure out exactly what they think was done wrong and then focus only on that issue, instead of bringing all these side issues into it.

I always ALWAYS find it fascinating that people come on here, spouting gibberish, bringing in "others" on THEIR COMPUTER who break TOS, who always have relatives who are God or at least some powerful facsimile thereof, and then are "unable" to say anything because their "lawyer" said not to.

 

[Randy T.]

Here is a pic of the dh ghost before it was shipped.

I am posting it as a favor for Scott. (I actually was wanting to purchase this animal before he finally did sell it. But I unfortunately did not have the funds at the time.) I really wish I had so the animal would be alive today...

 

[Wilomn]

That does look like the same snake in both pictures.

However, given the fact that it arrived alive and was reported to the seller as healthy upon arrival I would consider the deal done.

Who first said it arrived dead? The wonder mother? Someone besides the children is not telling the truth. If it arrived dead then money should be refunded or the snake should be replaced. If arrived alive and there was no guarentee, then the deal was done and over.

How old is anthony? That's an important question. In the absense of any written guarentee I thinks it's pretty much buyer beware.

It is beginning to look an awfully lot like the snake arrived alive and well and was then killed by inexperiance or accident. Either way it is NOT the fault of the seller. Especially not when it was reported that the snake arrived alive and well.

Wonder mom, you're up. Prove the condition of the snake upon arrival please.

Wes Pollock

 

[HerpVenue]

selling to a minor:
you shipped to an adult. obviously there was adult supervision. Case closed



the boa dies:
well they did not bring it to the vet so how sure are you it was your fault and not theirs. case closed


the kid received a dead boa:
the kid received a dead boa from anthony (an adult). he did not receive a dead boa from you. case closed


But it is okay....she is high and might teacher. Father is high and mighty DA. husband is high and mighty soldier. It should not be too hard for them to put a spin on things

Pet store and reputable dealers give a 7 day warranty on snakes and other animals ( I can prove this in court).

I am in Maryland. the pet stores around here do not do a 7 day warranty.
I used to be in South Carolina. The pet stores there DO NOT do a 7 day warranty.

I do not believe the mother is wrong in wanting the money returned and if Scott believes this is a scam, why not work something out to where they send the dead snake back to Scott and he then replaces the snake, in doing these dealings with Cameron's mother, this way it is not with a minor.

the quote above shows that it is not about selling to a minor.
it is about them wanting a snake. OBVIOUSLY if the mother is willig to accept another snake.......OBVIOUSLY the kid had consent. Thank you family friend for confirming this

The issue is not how Cameron acted or what kind of tabs his mother keeps on him. It's about a snake purchased and then dying.

thank you family friend for confirming yet again that it is not about doing business with a minor. Thank you for confirming that all you people want is a snake. And if all you people want is a snake. that pretty much confirms yet again that he had consent to purchase said snake.

What I know as facts are that Cameron received the snake dead.

He received it dead from anthony. Anthony received it alive. Perhaps you are suing the wrong person

When you talk to your attorney make sure that he verifies that the Law in California and in most other states that there is a seven day guarantee of life on all purchased animals.

The quote above shows that mommy should not be teaching special ed. Rather, she should be taught.
Lady there is no such law.

AND, this is not about purchasing without consent or anything like that, this is about a DEAD SNAKE.

thank you cameron for confirming yet again that the age thing is not really the thing here

As my mom stated, he died before I recieved him.

1. he died in the care of the adult you entrusted him to. You empowered that adult to make desicions for you in regards to the care of the animal. You empowered that adult to act on your behalf in regards to the snake. hence it is as if you were there.

2. I thought you said your mommy new nothing about it?
So how can she know it died before it got to you?
Therefore she knew it was with anthony the whole time.

Your grandfather is right. You better shut up. You are losing your case before you even start.

I trust Anthony 100% with my snakes and would still let him care for any of them while I was away.

Thank you for letting us know that you do empower anthony to care for your snakes while you are away.



And I think mrs special ed was asking what reputable breeder/dealer would not offer a 7 day guarantee.

Bob Clark (www.bobclark.com ) 24 hours
Peter Kahl ( www.pkreptiles.com ) 48 hours
Dave and Tracy Barker ( www.vpi.com ) 24 hours
mike ( www.constrictors.com ) 24 hours

and many many others.
there is no law that says you have to have a certain amount of warranty

 

[HerpVenue]

p.s. you better copy those pics.


mrs. special ed teacher says it died before he received it.
She then told him to take pictures.


those look like freshly dead pictures to me.


definately not frozen and then thawed for the picture.

definately not sitting there waiting for cameron to take him home.......then waiting for him to tell mommy
then waiting for him to come over and take a picture.

those pics are pretty fresh to me.

something is up
someone is not telling the truth.
she says she feels this is a scam.
she is right......after all she speaks from eeerrrr..... experience.
Scott you are getting scammed.

 

[TIGERRETIC]

DID YOU HAVE A CONTRACT WITH HIM SAYING THAT YOU HAVE A 5 DAY HEALTH GUARANTEE .IF NOT THEN THATS HIS FAUILT. ALSO PICTURES DONT MEAN ANYTHING . IF THE SNAKE IS DEAD TELL HIM TO SHIP IT BACK TO YOU. THATS THE ONLY REAL EVIDENCE. I DO THINK IT IS A SCAM. BUT THERE IS NO FAUILT ON YOUR BEHALF AND YOU DO NOT OWE THEM A PENNY. THATS THE RULES ON REPTIBID. SUCKS THAT THE KID LIED ABOUT HIS AGE BUT OH WELL.

 

[Sasheena]

Scenario #1: Anthony received a beautiful, live boa. Put it in a 20-Long and turned on the heating pad. Fed it a mouse. The pad overheated & the snake died.

Scenario #2: Anthony received a beautiful, live boa. Put it in some container for "Coast to Coast Reptiles" for them to take it to their home. They stopped a few times on the journey home, including a couple of hours at the Mall, and voila, the snake baked to death. When they got home the snake was only barely alive so they said "Sh!t" and brought it indoors, dunking its head in ice water to try to hydrate it and cool it off. Placed on the kitchen floor it spewed and died of shock. *snap* picture taken.

Scenario #3: Anthony received a beautiful, live boa. He gave the beautiful live boa to Coast to Coast Reptiles, who then had an argument with Mom. He explains that he can't get his money back, as the snake is perfect in every detail . Mom says, "you're getting your money back and getting rid of 'that thing". proceeding to grab it by the tail and whack it on the floor. "Doesn't look too perfect to me," she says, a malicious gleam in her eye."

Who knows what really happened in the death of the snake. This isn't a CSI show where we see all the possible scenarios, and then the lab tech comes up with the fibers necessary to pin the murder on one individual. I do believe, however, that this is a murder. The snake through neglect or malicious intent, was somehow mistreated enough to die within five days. And that is the saddest part of all... the loss of the beautiful snake, and I'm not even a Boa Afficianado. (All red-tail boas look the same to me).

Perhaps (it suddenly occurs to me) she, the mom, means that "all reputabal petstores have a 7 day guarantee" she is referring to that pinnacle of reptile husbandry and care: Petco, which does indeed have a seven day guarantee. And perhaps the seller is indeed a scoundrel for not being just like Petco.

Oh well all the above is mere speculation and opinion and not to be considered actual accusations.

Until and unless they can provide answers to the questions asked in this thread, these guys are bad guys.

 

[montezuma]

too much info...

Not exactly on the issue but you posted the peoples address??? I don't know exactly what to do about the snake but posting this persons address is putting yourself in a bad position. If I were them I would be furious, too many homes get broken into due to people seeking expensive herps and you just put their address for all to see...

BTW, Ritchie posted that the law sees nothing about needing a warranty... not true. Every state has different laws regarding sales and warranties. You shipped over state lines... federal issue not to mention possible interstate fraud on their part. Read the laws and understand them prior to shipping, it could save you alot of heartache.

 

[j tyler]

I don't even think the snake is dead. It looks like it could still be alive. And why does the syliva extend away from the head in the picture? BTW I hope Mr. Luna does not get a warning for telling the lady to " take her head out of her ass". James Tyler

 

[strayvoltage]

Cameron, & Mrs. Glucheff

When I started Keeping and breeding reptiles I was also a minor! I was also a minor when I bought my first high dollar animals!

I had a job and paid for all the animals I purchased! never once did I have to get my parents involved in my business transactions. ( and I also have a pretty impressive family) I never used any one of them! also I will admit to Unintentionaly killing many different animals!( i still can't seem to keep frogs alive even though I have done exactly what others have done) back then most reptiles avail were wild caught.

Eventually I learned how to care for them properly not over feed new snakes. Keep them warm not hot, and above all do not mess with a newly purchased snake, until it has been de stressed! Shipping an animal is stressful!

I was purchasing animals from importers using bank transfers and My Parents creditcards! and many times animal arived looking good but dying later in the next few days! Never once did I consider that them selling to a minor could get me my money back! It was just part of doing business!

It seems that as a parent you may feel that you have have your little boy's best intrest at heart. How ever he misrepresented himself, and he or one of his friends killed a snake! as far as who his grand father is or was has nothing to do with this.

Your threats mean nothing on this board except to further the wedge that has been placed between your Little Boy, and the rest of the herp world! It may seem large but it is quite small, and Karma Sux