Has anyone dealt with Cameron or Ashley Glucheff

[Scooter J]

Here is the latest Threat From Mrs. Glucheff

As you saw from Cam's email that Anthony did not hold the snake when it
arrived. After it had been at the house for two days he then noticed a bump
on his neck. The injury could have happened while the snake was mailed. You
do know that I have looked into it and you mailed him illegally. It is a
Federal Offence to mail a snake that is alive the way you did it. I am in
the process of collecting the proper paperwork and filling it out. There are
reasons that the Federal Government does not allow a person to mail an
animal in this manner. I guess that this will be an issue for both of our
Attorney Gnereral as well as the Federal Government to deal with. You should
expect them to contact you within the next few weeks. You do realize that
it is up to a $100,000 fine for shipping the snake the way you did. You said
online that you didn't care if the it cost you more than the cost of the
snake so I guess that you won't mind paying the Federal Government the fine.
I am sure they will take payments. You do understand that I am going to push
this to the full extent of the law. I was told that they are a little back
logged and it might take up to a month to process the paerwork once they get
it. You siad that in small claims court you would win but since you also
broke a Federal Law there is no way you will win.
Ashley Gluhcheff


I really don't know what this womens problem is, but I have done everything that her son requested, and that included sending the boa Federal Express. As I had mentioned, I am a private owner and I don't sell or buy snakes for a living, so I am not aware of all of the rules, my bad, but live and learn, I guess I am going to jail.

Thanks,

Scott J. Cotey

 

[Randy T.]

Um, Scott, you might want to send an email to her with this link.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33533

Apparantly she doesn't realize that it is legal to ship snakes through Federal Express.. If you get set up properly. Also you should look into setting up through them so you are protected later on down the road.

Later

 

[dwedeking]

If you get set up properly.

Even if your not then it's just a violation of company policy. You get sent to Fedex Hell

Scott,

Thanks again for bringing these people to light. Definitely a "seller beware" situation.

 

[HerpVenue]

Scott,
it is obvious yet again that mom needs to talk to her lawyer dad.

IT is against federal law to mail a snake.
but you did not mail it.
You sent it Fed Ex.
That is not illegal.
just against company policy.
All they will do is tell you not to do it again or tell you that you can no longer ship through them.

an to the person with warranty. sorry I no longer have that screen up.
are you trying to say the feds have a law that tells me how much warranty I have to give for live animals?

In that case a whole bunch of people in the reptile community are all felons.
It is a felony to break federal law. And to me that means they are all felons.
(MY opinion.....not necesarily the truth)

 

[HerpVenue]

BTW, Ritchie posted that the law sees nothing about needing a warranty... not true. Every state has different laws regarding sales and warranties. You shipped over state lines... federal issue not to mention possible interstate fraud on their part. Read the laws and understand them prior to shipping, it could save you alot of heartache.

Can you provide us a link to those laws where it states he has to provide a warranty for live animals?


It is obvious MRS Special Ed is digging.
First shee harps on him selling to a minor.............but it was shipped to an adult.

Then she harps on the snake being dead..................one it died in anthony;s care after he said it was okay. .......two there was no warranty express or impied.

so now she is going for the it is illegal to mail them...........while she is absolutely rightabout the law.........she is also absolutely wrong..... he sent it Fed Ex.

dig somemore MRS Special Ed. Your Dad is retired district attorney. .... I can't believe that is the best he can come up with.

Oh yeah...what happened to your gag order from your lawyer?
Is that no longer in effect? Because you are now e-mailing cameron.


and to the person with a comment about the head pull out of @ss thing.
I am military. My wife is nurse. I have at least five doctors in the family. one lawyer. And one that is JAnet Reno's equivalent in the Phillipines. what I am trying to say is my sh1t don't stink. you did not really see waht you thought you saw. I guess I will have to talk to my lawyer because you implied my sh!t was stinky


shoot I just remembered my sister and another uncle. make that seven doctors.

 

[E2MacPets]

Mr Cotey,
My name is Ashley Gluhcheff. My son Cameron bought a snake from you online
and mailed you a money order for $350.00. When Cameron took posession of the
snake it was dead. I had him take pictures of the snake so you can see that
it is dead. He will email them to you tonight. Cameron is 15 years old and
cannot legally enter a contract to make purchases of this sort. He purchased
this snake without my permission or knowledge. I expect you to return his
money. You can mail it directly to me at :
Ashley Gluhcheff
16775 Joshua Rd
Apple Valley CA 92307
If you have any questions you can reach me at 760-221-8520 or on my home
phone 760-247-9505. You have 7 days to return his money.

Let us start from the beginning.

My son Cameron bought a snake from you online
and mailed you a money order for $350.00.

Who took out the money order in the first place?

Cameron is 15 years old and
cannot legally enter a contract to make purchases of this sort.

He can not legally enter a contract, that may be true. But he can legally make purchases. And whoever the money order belonged to legally purchased something with that money.

When Cameron took posession of the
snake it was dead.

But it wasn't dead upon receipt. It was live and well upon reciept by the designated reciever.

 

[j tyler]

Sorry everyone, but I still don't think the snake is even dead. The picture seems like a live snake with fake drewl attached. I am also very pleased that some of you are mentioning your relatives;it's interesting and adds spice to this thread. James Tyler

 

[Flyride]

You know everyone on this site should be ashamed with some of the unnessisary rude comments and sarcasm posted. It is totally uncalled for. And here you are acting as if people should listen to your professional advice when you display poor ethics in your comments. Esspecially you Richie, I and others have a few chioce words that id like to say about you and a handfull of others but I dont spend my day on a forum dragings people name through the mud. Get a life!. This is a board of inquirey not a court room and your not an internet police officer however if you enjoy make believe or if it makes you feel important than im happy for you!


Now to the problem. The fact of the matter is he sold someone an animal that dies in 5 days. In order for a boa to die in 5 days there must have been an illness prior to shipping or injury durring. I seriously doubt it was killed by the individual who cared for it because he is a current boa keeper and has experiance and a knowledgable member on other sites. The matter of the age is simply the sellers attempt to not refund the money and is a coward copout. I have personally saw pictures of the boa with a substantial kink in its neck and that points that the health of the animal was poor to begin with.

Bottom line.... If the boa was healthy it wouldnt of died in 5 days and age is a factor having no wieght on the fact that the animal died.

Please do not quote me, respond in your own words and do not twist mine to work in your favor as you are notorious for. And please feel free to try to now bash me because I and many others dont care for this site and feel you have just gone to far.

Have a nice day, Im going to go deepsea fishing in my boat tonight what are you gonna do sit in from of your computer and discuss what you think about other people problems hahahahhaa have fun debating things having nothing to do to you.

 

[Randy T.]

Sorry everyone, but I still don't think the snake is even dead. The picture seems like a live snake with fake drewl attached. I am also very pleased that some of you are mentioning your relatives;it's interesting and adds spice to this thread. James Tyler

You know you could be right.. Here are a couple pictures of my ivory anery. The first picture is of him when he first arrived to my house (I had more pix that were a bit clearer but can't locate them..grr)

This snake when first arrived was ice cold, and didn't move for about a minute..then finally a bit of head wobbling and very very slow tongue flickering..(he pulled through)

And here he is about a month ago

It shows that a snake that is still alive given certain circumstances and give the full impression of being dead.

So I still say WHERE IS THE VET DOCUMENTS? If you haven't taken the dead snake yet why not? If the animal died from an internal injury (which is still my guess) It will show the internal damage..

So come on Mrs Special Ed.. Get him to the vet..

 

[Flyride]

come on randy. I have a lot of respect for you and hold you higher than making rude comments to belittle people. Man it doesnt say much for your professionalism. Please dont get sucked into the others bad habbits you have a great site.

So come on Mrs Special Ed.. Get him to the vet..

See that is the little unnessisary comments im talking about.
Why not keep it clean?

 

[Sasheena]

I will use the quote feature, as it's convenient. If I were to state YOUR words in MY words, you would simply say I was twisting what YOU said. So if you're going to accuse me of that in the first place, then I'll take the easy way out.

In order for a boa to die in 5 days there must have been an illness prior to shipping or injury durring.

It takes only a minute to step on a snake and kill it. Only an hour on super high heat to bake it to death. I wouldn't try to predict the length of time necessary to kill a snake by feeding it too soon after shipping and having it unfortunately regurge and aspirate its stomach contents leading to death. Just because the boa died quickly doesn't mean it was sick when it arrived. If there was a problem with the shipping, then I would expect to see photos of the box before opening, while being opened, and of the animal being removed from the container. Whenever I receive an animal I always document these steps. No matter WHO the shipper is... no matter how reputable. IF it was injured and dying straight out of the box why would the person who received it say it was fine, fit, and healthy? If there is any desire to show fault on the person selling the snake for any illness the snake had prior to being shipped, then there needs to be a necropsy done that conclusively proves that he is to blame for the animal's death. If the animal died of an injury, I would not accept that the injury occurred during shipping, as the verdict straight out of the box was that the animal was fine. Any fatal injury sustained during the shipping would have been obvious. Either in the very beginning, or at least later on when the animal would have refused to eat.

 

[Scooter J]

I would like to respond To Flyride?

Your comments
Now to the problem. The fact of the matter is he sold someone an animal that dies in 5 days. In order for a boa to die in 5 days there must have been an illness prior to shipping or injury durring. I seriously doubt it was killed by the individual who cared for it because he is a current boa keeper and has experiance and a knowledgable member on other sites. The matter of the age is simply the sellers attempt to not refund the money and is a coward copout. I have personally saw pictures of the boa with a substantial kink in its neck and that points that the health of the animal was poor to begin with.

My comments,

How do you know that something didn't occur after reciept of the snake? The individual that took reciept of the boa, Anthony Vasquez, informed me that the snake was fine and doing great. If someone had an accident, or neglected the snake, or whatever, it could have died or been injured. Now, I am supposed to believe that the snake died because it was ill. But the fact is that it was in perfect health and if anything was wrong then wouldn't Mr. Vasquez have noticed something wrong, and why, if it was ill did it eat a mouse on Thursday or Friday? If a boa is ill, the chances of it eating are not very good. And I would still like to know if any of you sold a snake that was received in good condition and died five days later of mysterious causes, would you believe all of the B.S. that has been thrown at me from Mrs. Glucheff? First she was complaining that I sold a snake to a minor, well, if the snake was alive would that be a different story. She must have known he bought the snake before it arrived Saturday? I just can't and will not be threatened, bullied, intimidated by these people for something that I know is just not right. I will be happy to present all of the emails, and all of the information in my possession in court and let the Law decide who is right and who is wrong. And whatever they decide I will abide by.

Thank you,
Scott J. Cotey

 

[Wilomn]

I have personally saw pictures of the boa with a substantial kink in its neck and that points that the health of the animal was poor to begin with.

If you, jeff, have picture that we have not yet seen could you please post them here?

I'd sure like to see this kink you speak of.

thanks,
Wes Pollock

 

[Flyride]

here it is but its a poor pic, I received this pic in an email asking me for care instructions and if they should be worried only 2 days after receiving.

 

[j tyler]

This is case in which the exact cause of death ,if any, needs to be demonstrated. 1) It appeared alive and well; 2) It ate and ;3) It is claimed to have died suddenly. This being the case all accusations are meaningless until the cause of death is established. Otherwise this senerio will not make sense. James Tyler

 

[Wilomn]

here it is but its a poor pic, I received this pic in an email asking me for care instructions and if they should be worried only 2 days after receiving.

This confirms that the mother is a liar. She said the snake was reiceved dead.

That injury could be from a multitude of causes- rough handling, mis-use of a hook, being closed in a cage door or top, etc., etc.

I am now smelling TUNA FISH big time.

Wonder mom do you have MORE pictures that you have not posted here? Time for that necropsy. If the snake died from an INJURY freezing will make NO difference to the outcome of that necropsy.

Shame about the snake, no matter what.

Wes Pollock

 

[JJFOUTZ]

Must have been hard to get that mouse down with that kink in its neck.

 

[E2MacPets]

When was this snake bought?

I just checked the date on the picture posted. It was taken on 4/2/04 at 11:14pm according to the Exif.

Make - Hewlett-Packard Company
Model - HP PhotoSmart 315
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YCbCrPositioning - Centered
ExifOffset - 110
ExposureTime - 335/10000 seconds
FNumber - 2.80
ExifVersion - 210
DateTimeOriginal - 2004:04:02 23:14:10
DateTimeDigitized - 2004:04:02 23:14:10
ComponentsConfiguration - YCbCr
CompressedBitsPerPixel - 3.00 (bits/pixel)
ExposureBiasValue - 0.00
MaxApertureValue - F 2.83
SubjectDistance - 0.28 m
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InteroperabilityOffset - 344

 

[maddog]

Time line

Cameron purchased snake.
Snake shipped to Anthony.
After 2 days and not handling the snake, when Anthony did handle him noticed the kinks.
Snake died Saturday, Cameron received the snake shortly after.
This is when Mrs. Gluhcheff contacted Scott.

Please take the time to go back through and read ALL posts before posting!

Oh, as to my creditablity, why don't we check ip address's today?

 

[DaveyFig]

"As you saw from Cam's email that Anthony did not hold the snake when it
arrived. After it had been at the house for two days he then noticed a bump "


That is from the email that Mrs.Gluhcheff sent to Scott. Well, the picture that Jeff posted was taken two days after the snake arrived, which would have been thursday(I have no reason to doubt what Jeff says, as he is a stand up member of quite a few forums I visit). The snake was then fed on either Thursday or Friday.
My question now is to Jeff. Upon seeing that picture did you suggest that maybe the snake should be looked at or treated, or did you suggest that maybe Mr. Marquez should try to feed it and see if it takes food? I don't know the story behind the finding of the "bump", so I am just trying to get some background.
I would think that someone who owns boas, and is accustomed to taking in shipments would have noticed a kink when it was taken out of the box, or at least when being placed in the tank.
To me the "bump" looks more like a "pinch", like a snake would get when trying to keep from being shut in say...a 20 gallon breeder tank.I have come close to smashing a few snake necks in my time closing lids on glass tanks, and when sliding tubs into racks. Thats what it looks like to me. I have also had a jack russel terrier take a snake from my hand when going into the backyard to take pictures, and it resulted in a similar injury. The skin was not broken , but you could see indentations. My snake ate three days later just fine. Two days later it was dead. I will see if i can find old pics of that.