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Has anyone dealt with Cameron or Ashley Glucheff

No way does Cam have a hot...

He would not be alive to post this by now. He has already shown he lacks good judgement (must be hereditary). I posted awhile back about the liabilty of this kid having a hot & if someone was struck, his mom would get the crap sued out of her....maybe she needs to hike over to the other side of the mansion & check Cameron's room just to be sure.
 
yet more lies...

so little cammy keeps a pet atrox??? it must be true,
since we know that he would never stoop to
fibbing. i just hope that he doesn't let it free-roam
in his 'wing' of the house...

enough sarcasm for now...

my favorite part is where he talks about the 'case'
of AV that he keeps by the rattler. mind you, it
isn't in a fridge, or anything. and i am sure that
he knows when it expires-even though it has no
label!

then, when called on his lies, by an admitted
friend, he says that maybe his 'case' is just a
bottle or two. which is it little cammy? do we need
to notify wondermommy.

these people make me sick. i think that i will head
on over to the barstow cc website. there, i will
look up the email addies of anyone of importance
that i can find. as a CC, i will provide them all
with a link to this thread, as well as the one on
RTB. the powers that be at that prestigious (lol)
institution might take a keen interest in her son's
incessant criminality. oh yeah, and her defense of it.

by the way, ashley 'da rhodes scholar,' can you please
decide which school you are doing your doctorate at-
as it tends to vary with all of your posts.
 
I think it is interesting that Camerons friend (not the friend that received the snake that died) started the thread on the other forum and Cameron has yet to comment on it over there. They are trying to keep it tamed down over there since it is not as volitile as this forum. I just wanted to let everyone here know that it was there and let everyone over there know what the real deal is with Cameron and his mother (I posted a link over there to this thread). Everyone over there seems to have the same outlook on this situation as far as the fault is on the person who received the snake. I guess they will have to start a third thread somewhere else and see if they can find someone that thinks like them. Maybe they can put them in the RV and drive them to court too (If they find that someone).
 
Yeah, Ashley is sooooo concerned for the safety of her family isnt she?

Suncoast Herpetological said:
Did anyone answer the question as to what the "hot" permitting regs are in California?
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The only hots that can be kept in Calfornia are native Crotalus, but even then it varies from county to county. I do know a few people that have special permits to keep other venomous, but these are not recreational permits. They are for research and such.

I lived in Apple Valley for several years and it was a great place to be if you were into reptiles. The middle school used to have a herpetorium that contained hundreds of reptiles from leopard geckos to caimen and from kingsnakes to cobras. It was closed a few years ago, but the guy who operated it is still a teacher there.

There are NO good reptile stores out there, but there are plenty of serious breeders and collectors there. One thing Cammy has going for him is that he is only about a 45 minute drive to Loma Linda University Medical Center. That is where Dr. Sean Bush works and where they film Animal Planets "Venom ER."

So, back to Ashley. Out of a genuine concern for Cammy's saftey I have forwarded this information to the proper authorities in Apple Valley. So Ashley, put on your best "Im a wonderful Mommy" face and have fun explaining why your son has a Rattlesnake as a pet. That is if you even know that he has it.
 
Christ this is a long thread!!! I read through it and being the father of a 12yo and a 8yo I know from experience that if my sons did something then I was the one who takes the blame. Now this looks to me like fraud. reason I say that is the account on reptibid and the TOS there. regardless of who sold the snake using that account is fraud if you are under 18. I was reading on here and it was said the snake was fine when received and Cam was at school. Well why did he not pick it up that day? Kink in neck: why didn't the "partner" say something right away and call Scott back or even Cam and have him call? The pic of the snake dead: That looks like stomach acid to me from possible over-feeding. If you ate and ate you would have youe stomach pop too. Just like gold fish, snakes will eat until they pop. And yes I have seen it, and no it wasn't me. To the Mother: Take it as a LESSON learned and make sure your son knows the LESSON as well. I paid over $3000 because my son did something like this and he damm sure knows not to do it again. Going to court the judge will ask about how the snake was purchased and the money orders or the tracking slips from them. Scott: I may have missed this but how were the MO's signed? You can get copies of them.

While this has been very fun reading, If I were a judge and seen this I would throw it out of court based on the fact that Cam has commited fraud by using reptibid and violating the TOS which is also backed up by the ISP's TOS.
Make him work the money he spent back and use parental controls. to this end I say:

CAVEAT EMPTOR
and
CAVEAT SUBSCRIPTOR


p.s I don't care about spelling or grammer. My job is just to shoot people when told. I hav not no time to wory aboaut speling

also read this the next time your son refuses to do whats right acording to the childrens bill of rights:
Bill of rights

Grey Keller
 
The RTB forum thread has been modified by deleting all the posts except for the origonal post and a link to this thread has been added with a note saying that any part of this deal that needs to be discussed should be discussed here on the BOI. I guess all that was accomplished by starting one there was making everyone on that forum aware of this thread. OOPS.. I doubt that was the plan.
 
I've been thinking it for 70 some odd pages. I've refrained from saying it this long, but I can hold back no longer. Is it just me, or does "mom" seem like a frustrated "yenta" who needs to get laid? I know, out of line, immature, and unprofessional, but I had to! ;)


Don Mercer
 
In actual fact, I feel that some of "Mom's" posts and some of Cameron's posts have the exact same "TONE". Are we CERTAIN that Mom is REALLY involved in this thread? (probably answered in this thread, but I've already reviewed it once, don't want to go there again).
 
Wow,
I just stopped by Clay's site.

I did not realize Cameron had the Jesse Underhill Syndrome.

I only got two read three threads.

1. Says he owns hots and has antivenin sitting around his house.
2. the other talks about how he was able to tell a real het from possible ones 7 times. I guess he bred them/.
3. The third thread was recently posted by hic "partner" brandon. 3 days ago to be exact. That thread says cammy boy wants to get into breeding and they were asking some questions.


So as you can see someone has been spouting off lies.

Poor cammy boy.
 
Flyride said:
This animal was shipped to an ADULT seasoned caregiver who cared for it the whole time till it was deceased.
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Flyride, do you callhim a seasoned caregiver because he posts a lot on the forum that you moderate?

because before you call him a seasoned caregiver......perhaps you should do a little reading on some of the questions he asks.

Sounds more like a newbie to me.
Nothing wrong with being a newbie. We all were one once. I still consider myself to be a newbie.

http://forum.redtailboas.com/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=4816
on the link let me know what you see wrong that your seasoned caregiver is doing. (Hint: Sand)

that is just one example......I gotta go do some work now.

more to come later.

attached is a pic of one of Destrega ? Anthony's enclosure
 

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Interesting. I have an old enclosure with the same type of lid. They are all metal contruction. They also tend to slip alot and could very easily fall on a snakes neck. One of many reasons why I build my own enclosures now and only keep roaches in that old one.

Seasoned, experienced herper keeping a BOA on sand? Doesn't sound very experienced to me.
 
A Boa on SAND????

Hello, we are talking BCI, not Sand Boa...

That is just sad and ridiculous as well, this whole family gets weirder and more "out there" all the time.

Cameron "milks" his venomous snake??????? After he had "training" for one week on how to handle one???

Oh for friggin crying out loud, is that family for real or is this all a giant joke?

Seasoned herpers, my ***!!!

I feel like I'm in the "twilight zone".
 
I stoped reading this thread at around page 30 so I may have missed a lot. Now please understand I was not aware of the cage practices of the care giver and I do not condone sand in a RTB's enclosure at all. It was an assumption of mine that a seasond caregiver (meaning owned and cared for rtb's for more than a year and being a participant in forums detailed in specific care) would know better than keeping a RTB in an environment like the one pictured. And please note I was simply stating my opinions on the health of the snake prior to shipping. Please accept my apologies for this confusion.
 
Taken from Californian Department of Fish and Game

Wildlife Protection Division


California:

Native Venomous: Permit required...possession limit is 2 of each species

Exotic Venomous: Permit required


Protected Native Venomous: None

Must be 18 years of age or older to possess venomous reptiles

Californian Department of Fish and Game

Wildlife Protection Division

1416 Ninth St.

Sacramento, CA 95814

CAL. CODE REGS. Tit. 14-671 and 671.1

As you can see this is the laws as of 10/03
I called to verify this information and they said yes it was right and that if I know of anyone that has venomous reptiles then I need to report it. There has been 3 states that are cracking down on this.
Here is the link:
Slither
 
Someone is...

gonna be called out on his BS lie or a whole family is up a creek without a paddle. I think the Gluhcheff's are still reading this. As far as if it is mom or Cameron posting all this, there is a way to find out. Mom's work email is part of the website at good ol' Cornhole Community College (I forgot the name!). Wouldn't it be funny if someone emailed a portion of this tread to her work email & asked her if she knew about this? I think if all this was Cameron and NOT mom...maybe he would end up with some consequences! I would truly feel bad for the lady if this was all done by her little Cameron. Anyway...

Ro Hill
 
Well I had a few choice words on camerons owning hots as well as other things.

But they were moved...and I do understand.

I just wish Clay could have seen it. If I know him Like I think I do....he would have kept it in place.

He does not like BSer's on his forum too much.

I guess Cameron can now continue giving advice that he only reads but never practices.
He can also go ahead and baffle them with his BS snake milking capabilities.

While I understand the mods positions.......I just find it unfortunate that no one will call him out on their forums because they would like to keep it "family friendly"

oh well. hopefully most of the members their know about this thread. Hopefully they see through his stories.

And to the mods. If I was flaming him there.....I do apologize.
My intent was to out his stories not flame. But then again I guess it is a thin line.....and I probably crossed it. So again my apologies
 
Well well well....so Cam starts to complain.

Just fyi, on Clay's forum, hes left twice and came back both times. I believe Clay has read this..he said he would if I linked him so I think he has.

I think that Cam has pulled enough BS on both forums and should be banned from Clay's too. I'm voicing my opinion and he takes it seriously.

And Cam, before you say what do you know???, I'd like to say a little sentence:

I would have waited and gotten one from Clay.

I'm not saying that the seller is at fault because frankly Cam and his mysterious friend are at fault. Cameron is a brat and very spoiled from what i can see. I'm only 14 but I'm more mature than he could ever be. I have several people that say that to me every day. I'm not tooting my own horn here. I'm saying that if a 14 year old can be more mature than a 15 year old, thats kinda sad in my way of thinking.

But anyway, just my opinion :)

and I'm out to get some pics of Eowyn, the normal bci from Mr. Dr. Cray Engrish (joke between me and clay ;)) Shes from the Jeff Ronne pastel line but was sold as a normal :) But shes showing more and more pastel qualities every day :)

Matt Frauenhoffer
 
You shouldn't even talk sk, you know almost nothing about snakes anyway, so how would you know about if he lying. I'm so sick of all your crap on clay's forum,talking behind EVERYONES back, you have been there for 5 months or however long, and you've already gotten one of the most knowledgeable people banned from clays site. You are the brat, you sit there and make up stories and stories about people just because you want power, and all your sucking up to clay is getting pretty old.

Now onto Cam, I'm not backing him up or degrading him, it was wrong of him to buy the snake in the first place because he was under 18, and it's not the sellers fault at all because cam does act like he's alot older then he is at times. I would't refund money either, it's just sad that some people can get away with what they do.
 
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