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Hello. My name is WebSlave and I am a Kingsnake.com abuser.

man

I never get a straight answer.

Anyways I like the idea about going back to the old forums there where you have to report abuse. Sure a lot of crap happens but it was FREE. You could write freely and speak freely and that was kingsnakes best times.

bmm
 
Sean,
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for a reply, but I would be persistent in getting a response (though not annoying so as not to hurt your cause). PHScales is from my area. She is a full-time school teacher (saw a spot on the local news on her) and runs VA Reptile Rescue (http://www.vareptilerescue.org), so I imagine her email inbox is often full. And no, do not take that as me standing up for her, I am not in any way shape or form. I just thought you should know. In my personal opinion, if these people are going to be moderators, they should return emails in a timely manner and treat the whole situation professionally. Unfortunately, we've already seen that this is not the case in a great many circumstances. Best of luck getting your account back.

Dianne
 
Boy, the ink didn't even dry on this message I posted in the Feedback forum over there before it got yanked!

Name: WebSlave
Subject: What happened to our discussion, PHChristy?
Body of Message:

Why bother to keep a forum open when the messages are filtered so heavily that it cannot possibly be a fair, open, and honest discussion?

Why not just lay the cards on the table and say "there they are, take it or leave it"? I think everyone would understand and respect a position like that. But to try to sweep REAL discussion under the rug reflects poorly on the staff at kingsnake.com, IMHO.


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So tell me, if JeffB is making all of the decisions to delete the flood of unacceptable messages over there (this is my opinion, of course), and so many people being banned right and left, how can this sit so well with all of the moderators on that site? Do they all actually believe that JeffB is RIGHT about his actions? Man, that is a REALLY scary thought.
 
It seems like the moderators were especially chosen for their willingness to blindly follow the directives of the site owner. I am having trouble picturing what kind of people these are, but it seems like the only reason a person would be willing to be a moderator under these circumstances is because they expect it to benefit themselves somehow. Maybe this is the most power they have ever had and they enjoy being looked up to by all the people that are new to reptiles. Those in positions of authority (even if it's psuedo) are thought to be knowledgeable about what they are doing unless proved otherwise. In this case it looks like they all have tipped their hand for the most part in one way or another and we have all generally learned that the last place you would want reptile information from is a moderator on Kingsnake. So what you have is a bunch of not very good reptile people giving not very good advice and not doing a very good job of moderating. It's no wonder that they don't want a public debate. They would be laughed off the internet. The only asset that the whole site has is the authenticity that Jeff B. once provided it. That authenticity bought him a lot of good will from the hobbyist in general but it is being squandered now. How someone expects to "corner" a discussion regarding ANY subject on the internet is beyond me and shows very glaringly an overwhelming ignorance of the whole concept of the internet. But I'm not surprised as some of the conversation about the technicalities of running a site with forums and such has shown great ignorance as well. It's almost like they think they are the only people that REALLY understand programming and they think it's ok to feed everyone BS because we are all too stupid to really know better anyway. In this day and age there are way too many knowledgeable people out there to pull stunts like that. So they have lost credibility regarding any discussion about the technicalities of their site also. And to ban someone for using something that THEY PUT ON A MENU is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard of in the tech world. The programmer should be banned not the user. So there you have it. Aside from Jeff they don't really know reptiles that well and including Jeff they appear to be pretty inept regarding running a website. I am SOOOOO tempted to go over there with about 20 or 30 new accounts and have a conversation with them but it's really not worth the trouble to engage them. They are just not up to a battle of wits and it's no fun when you know you will win everytime.
 
Well, I've been banned on KS six or seven times now. I have to confess that I'm getting tired of the exercise, but it HAS been fun showing KS that they cannot keep me from posting if I want to do so.

The moderators are deleting every post that has "Hillbilly" in their screen names without even examining what is in the contents of the post. LOL I switched it up a bit, but someone knew who I was and the mods were on this last name after an hour of posting, or so.

I have no real proof, but I think there are a few users (not mods) that are tipping off the mods when they see me post. That's fine. They have every right to do that. But I hope they feel really good about themselves for helping to spread censorship and control freak mentailites, and I hope they don't find themselves ever disagreeing with KS practices one day. If they do, someone may be ratting them out to the mods one day!

:laugh:

:flamethr:censorship
 
It could be some flunkies they places as regs, after all the mods can not be everywhere at one time. Its like putting plain clothed security guards in walmart to pretend to shop but are really watching.
 
Well, now they've gone through the corn forums and deleted all of my posts under my various psuedonyms! The funny thing is that they deleted one post in the middle of a thread, but left the post below mine, which was posted in response to mine.

I didn't think they were able to do that?!?!? Haven't they been saying that anytime a post is deleted, those below that post had to go as well? Wasn't that how they were excusing their complete erasure of entire threads? If that is not true about their limitations (and it obviously isn't), then KS has been lying to us all for some time in order to keep their forums as cleaned up as possible.

This would all make a great made for T.V. movie some day. We could call it "Silence of the Users." It would be about this maniacal website owner that went around killing off his user's accounts, eating their posts with some fava beans and a nice Ciante!!!!

:D
 
Darin,

That has been a lie from the start. The original message board I set up on my SerpenCo.com site was the same one that Jeff's forums are still based on. It was an old first generation public domain message board system written by Matt Wright. It generates plain vanilla HTML files which can be easily edited in any text editor. Each forum is just a single HTML file, each of the threads are an HTML file, and each subthread is an HTML file. If you will notice in the Feedback forum, often when you look at the start of the thread, there will be a whole list of subthreads listed when you read the file, but are not there when you go back to the main forum. You also get a 'file not found' error if you click on them from the leading post of the thread.

What happened is that someone deleted the HTML file that was that subthread and edited the main forum HTML file, but FORGOT to edit the file created with the lead message starting the thread.

This gives you a very easy way to spot all of the posts that have been deleted there. I looked, and there are a BUNCH gone!

But I am washing my hands of posting on that site about these issues.

BTW, I am going to have to rethink this entire section here about kingsnake.com. It started out as being a joke, but it no longer is all that funny. I feel like I was laughing at the antics of some kid across the street in the way he was acting, only to discover he is actually afflicted with palsy. I am now embarrassed by what is going on over there. But I also don't feel like helping whatever it is that Jeff is doing by sweeping it under the rug here as well.

In a lot of respects, I feel like I am watching a favorite uncle losing his mind.
 
I was banned a bunch of times too. They now immediately ban any user that has "ban" imbedded in the name. I have been banned as "banned", "bannedagain" and "banndito". But interestingly enough, some of the message I left as those users are still posted. They are in forums that only the most niche visitors would bother visiting so I guess they don't get a lot of scrutiny.
It truly looks like Jeff is ready to let the whole Kingsnake thing go down the toilet rather than admit he made an error in judgement. I am truly astounded at the arrogance.
 
I agree with the WebSlave about how this is becoming less and less funny the further down the drain KS goes. I'll leave it all alone for a while, I suppose. I proved my point about their inability to actually ban someone that would really WANT to post and rubbed the mods' noses in it a little to boot. I have my satisfaction.

You know, though, watching that favorite uncle loosing his mind turns from pity to disgust really quickly when you realize it was his own doing rather than a simple result of natural processes. A favorite uncle has alzheimers, that's one thing. A favorite uncle huffs paint for a few months. . .that's another issue all together! My sympathy well has just about gone dry for the guy.
 
I didn't think they were able to do that?!?!? Haven't they been saying that anytime a post is deleted, those below that post had to go as well? Wasn't that how they were excusing their complete erasure of entire threads? If that is not true about their limitations (and it obviously isn't), then KS has been lying to us all for some time in order to keep their forums as cleaned up as possible.
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Well here's something that I find pretty funny. PHChristy is now saying she doesn't know anything about how one post being deleted affects the others below it.

Posted by PHChristy on February 14, 2003 at 14:38:17:

In Reply to: Also posted by Uffern on February 13, 2003 at 22:50:20:

:Did anyone notice that the post erased was above PHChristy's post, yet her post was not deleted along with it? Hmmmm. Thought this message board format did not allow that. Can this be explained?

I have read the suggestions by others, ranging from "we've been lying all along" to DrPepper's explanation that I didn't follow. At first I thought it might be the - in the subject line, but I then there was a second incidence of the same thing.

So I bumped this question to tech services and so far I have not heard back.

Sorry for having to say "I don't know," but the fact is, I don't. When I hear back I'll post an answer, or perhaps one of them will.

Christie Keith
Director of Community Services
PetHobbyist.com
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The more I read PHChristy and all the other PH's responses, the more I see what a joke Kingsnake has become. It really is quite funny!
 
They reactivated Gerry's account on Kingsnake. He's made a nice speach on the feedback forum. I thought I'd check and see if they reactivated me also but alas, no.

Take a look at what Gerry wrote. I appreciate that he is not kissing their butts about this. I suspect he will be reinvited to leave again shortly.
 
I knew I said I wouldn't.....

But I just couldn't help myself...... :dgrin:


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Name: WebSlave
Subject: Re: Has KS ever or would they ever...
Body of Message:

:If you don't violate the TOS on our site, then we do nothing.

Please define "we".

My site was banned from being mentioned on ks SOLELY because I refused to delete a thread on my own site. I am assuming that "we" includes JeffB, does it not?

And yes, I have emailed JeffB about this issue and he has refused to respond to it.

Comments? (Before this gets deleted, of course.)


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Pathetic...

I tell you, the more I read over at kingsnake, the less I feel the need to go back.
As for the answer to your question webslave, did you like it? Or did you feel you got the run-around? I felt the latter...
I also was reading another topic over there about being banned for saying things about them at other sites, and here is a little tid-bit I ran across...

"""Spreading rumors and gossiping about people and even bashing people directly to their face is an addictive habit for a lot of people. People can't help but want to get into and know everyone elses businsess regardless if the information they are spreading/receiving is the actual truth, partial truth or a bunch of lies. If people want to go out of their way to hurt each other in this all too often vindictive manner, then by all means they can take it to the BOI. This forum is not the BOI and it should not be treated as such."""

Those were the words of a "DrPepper". What an @$$, in my opinion, of course. Is this guy/gal a moderator of some sort? Since they say you cannot name another site in that forum, but he/she was alowed to do so, I am assuming it was made by a moderator since it was left there and not deleted by their 'magic wand'. Just another example of 'You better not do it, but we surely can!'

The more I read over there, it does seem that they are realizing the number of people they are losing because of their 'Hitler" style of a dictatorship they run. Then you read some of the replies to questions and you get the crap that "that was then, this is now...." Yeah, right!! Boy I wish they would just take the back-seat they earned and deserve and fade off into the darkness....

My opinions are just that, my opinions. Gee, they really make me sick.....

Thanks for the wonderful site yours is growing into webslave! Hopefully before long it will be the best of the best!

Bob
 
Sounds like BS to me, but what the heck, I figured I would ask about it:


Name: WebSlave
Subject: Re: Has KS ever or would they ever...
Body of Message:

:... what URLs and email addresses are in our website filters is not part of the Terms of Service at all.

:Christie Keith
:Director of Community Services
:petHobbyist.com

So you do not define URLs and email addresses that cannot be posted on this site because of the web filters as being 'banned'?

What is the official definition of the criteria used that would get a URL or email address into this web filter that is not REALLY banning?

I notice that someone else in this forum was able to post the letters 'BOI' without having it deleted or filtered out. I'm amazed!


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Bob,
The only thing I can think of why those words were allowed to stay on that guys post is because he was talking bad about the BOI and good about kingsnake.

I would bet if you did the complete opposite....I would bet your stuff (or whoever) would get erased.

but alas.
I will not read up on this issue too much. It gets the adrenaline flowing too good.
 
Discussing KS off Jeff's site

Here is my question concerning the right to discuss KS on another site and the replies. I had to press for an answer. I found the answer good but truthfully I am still skeptical. It's good enough for me to keep my KS classified account. If it's true that's all I need even though I think KS's recent bannings are out of line.

Original Repost containing KS's first answer which I considered too vague:

Posted by Aaron on February 18, 2003 at 22:48:58:

Here is the particular question I am looking for an answer too.
Parenthesis added to make the question clearer:

>>>>So if he/she said something negative about KS (on a different website) and KS took offense would KS search for a minor (or) unintentional violation (that ocurred in the past but was not considered offensive enough to ban the party or cancel their classified account at that time) and use that to ban the offender?

If you forwarded my question to the classified dept. I have not recieved a reply from them. Please answer, I don't see how this question could be considered inflamatory and can't understand why you haven't answered it.

Posted by Aaron on February 17, 2003 at 12:36:26:

In Reply to: Re: Has KS ever or would they ever... posted by PHChristy on February 17, 2003 at 10:51:25:

:: ban a visitor or paying customer for something he/she said about KS on another website? If so how far does it go? What if he/she badmouthed KS at a show or herp meeting?

:I have no authority to speak on the issue of paying customers. Advertisers have their own TOS and contractual relationship with PetHobbyist and none of those things is handled by the Community Services Department. It is highly unlikely Jeff will address this issue with anyone except an advertiser, but I'll certainly pass your question on to him in case he cares to comment.

>>>Who is the party to ask, since I am an advertiser?

:As to regular users, I can't address what PetHobbyist has EVER done - the past is the past, I've only been here a few months, there have been policy changes during that time, so all I can do is adress TODAY.

>>>In your time here has this ever happened to your knowledge?

:If you don't violate the TOS on our site, then we do nothing.

>>>>Thank you for your answer.

:If someone were to violate the TOS on our site, and we were trying to decide whether or not it was serious enough to rescind their login privileges, it's possible we might look at statements made elsewhere if they were brought to our attention, but that would be highly unusual. And it would only be to give context to an action on our site, or to help move something out of the grey area.

>>>>So if he/she said something negative about KS and KS took offense would KS search for a minor unintentional violation and use that to ban the offender?
FYI I am not thinking of badmouthing KS and so far the only thing I have said about KS on another site is that we should still support KS because they are the most important place to inform and keep informed regarding herp related legislation.


PHChristy's reply:
Aaron, I did answer you:

http://forum.kingsnake.com/announce/messages/2252.html

I don't really have anything to add to that, but....

Here is the particular question I am looking for an answer too.
:parenthesis added to make the question clearer:

:>>>>So if he/she said something negative about KS (on a different website) and KS took offense would KS search for a minor (or) unintentional violation (that ocurred in the past but was not considered offensive enough to ban the party or cancel their classified account at that time) and use that to ban the offender?

No.

Christie Keith
Director of Community Services
PetHobbyist.com


And my reply:

Thank You.

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Posted by Aaron on February 19, 2003 at 01:50:02:

In Reply to: Re: REPOST, since I didn't get an answer. posted by PHChristy on February 18, 2003 at 23:09:01:

:Aaron, I did answer you:

:http://forum.kingsnake.com/announce/messages/2252.html

:I don't really have anything to add to that, but....

:Here is the particular question I am looking for an answer too.
::parenthesis added to make the question clearer:

::>>>>So if he/she said something negative about KS (on a different website) and KS took offense would KS search for a minor (or) unintentional violation (that ocurred in the past but was not considered offensive enough to ban the party or cancel their classified account at that time) and use that to ban the offender?

:No.

:Christie Keith
:Director of Community Services
:petHobbyist.com


>>>That's the answer I was hoping for. Thanks again.


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That was it. I thought you might find it informative, maybe it will be useful to have it in writing here where it won't be deleted should KS ever try to cancel anybodys classified account for something they say here. Thank you for reading.
 
A prediction....

Back when this whole thing with KS erupted I eventually made a prediction that Jeff would shut the field collecting forum down. He happened to do that about 2 days after I said he would do it. FYI, it is back up.

But now I'm making a new prediction. I predict that a moderator will defect from KS and we will get a whole new insight into what is going on over there. What do I base this on you might ask? Nothing other than a prediction of general human behavior. I don't beleive for a minute that every moderator over there agrees with Jeff and it is just a matter of timing before one of them gets to a point where they have had enough. The only thing that I can imagine that would keep someone from talking about it after they defected is if they had something in writing where they agreed not to discuss KS but I doubt that anything like that has happened since they are not paid in the first place.

We will see eh? lol.
 
I used to be a dedicated Ks poster

I used to post on Kingsnake quite regularly and tried to help whenever I could in the monitor forum but either way you go about posting these days you get flamed by rude self proclaimed know it all's if you go and ask a question your dumb for having to ask it and you should have known the answer and if you help someone on a subject just cause someone may view it differently your absolutly wrong if the person questioning you is one of the elite then there are about 10 posts supporting the elite gods of KS monitor forum. This may not be the place to post this but I am greatfull I have a place like this to go to now where my posts wont be flamed unless I deserve it which I will probly once or twice.

Thanks
 
I just logged into ks's FEEDBACK forum. All I can say about it is "interesting".

:smash:
 
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