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Inquiry on Het Pieds from Ace Reptiles

PAULSCHUMANN said:
Here's how you really get your money back....Find out where the garbage lives, fly to that city, find a big strung out crack head in a back alley, then offer him a handfull of 8 balls to kick this guys door down and proceed to beat the living dog sh outa him until he either gives up the money or quits moving. If he quits moving, you don't get your money back, but at least you feel better.
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This is really not a very well thought out plan.

1) First you have to purchase a handful of eight balls from a drug dealer.
2)Then you have to buy a plane ticket to fly to the guys home and smuggle the drugs along with you.
3)Then you have to search for a strung out physically HUMONGOUS crackhead (which I think is nearly impossible) alone in some back alley in the worst part of town.
4)Now once you find this crackhead its suggested getting him higher than a kite and escorting him to this guys house to kick his door down and kick the crap out of him.
5) If the guy dies from the crackhead beating...you don't get a dime but feel better knowing the guy is dead.
 
PAULSCHUMANN said:
Is it so wrong to wish bad things upon a guy who just stole a thousand bucks from you?
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1. the aggression came
2. the mood swings came
3. now he thinks he is the guy that got money stolen from him.
4. then he complains about people ranting about trivial posts like his...... but he is also ranting about other people's trivial posts as well.

PAULSCHUMANN said:
Especially while he's laughing his arse off reading what people are saying about him on an internet forum, knowing full well he/she got away with what they did.
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getting away with something means you did not get caught. Or .... you can get caught but it won't affect you.

The BOI does affect people. You think it does not do any good. but it definately has done good.
Jesse = Left the reptile world
Harry, Bruce eisenman , Noah = went out of business
Damon heynen, Brian smith, josh the burm guy = Changed his name to David Beauchemin and is now doing business as High end Herps, Lost his Kingsnake account, won't return to the BOI because he is caught
 
Ritchie,

You forgot Chris Guida, CMG reptiles, Jerry Tubs, and we haven't heard from Sal in quite some time now.

Regards,
 
Getting back on topic....

Chuck: You've really thought this out, haven't you? :rofl:

Ritchie: Does that mean "less than scrupulous people" are allowed to run ads in Reptiles Magazine? :rolleyes: A sad commentary on Reptiles.

And to all: I PM'd Tony earlier today around 4:30ish. In doing so, I'm offering him another chance to make things right. He read it shortly thereafter, so I'm waiting to hear from him. I'd like to be able to say that the guy hit hard times and :censored: up, but has fessed up and is doing the right thing, but at this point it doesn't seem likely (I'd like even more if he stood up like a man and did it publicly in view of the reptile community...at least that may salvage some of his integrity). Here is a copy of the PM, and I will keep everyone posted as to the outcome.

Hi Tony-
Well, you beat me, ripped me off, etc, and now I'm hearing from several people about how ashamed you feel and how you plan on making restitution. Well, I'm open to suggestions. I expect to receive an offer shortly and look forward to it. I'm willing to accept co-dom morphs such as pastels or spiders or homo recessives (albinos). According to Arthur Cohen, you have all three morphs in your possession. I'll give you a call first thing Monday if I don't hear from you before then.
Mike Curtin
732-773-8081

Mike
 
Staying on subject.

Yes Cat, they were all the same sizes and weights. Although I have not been on Fauna BOI alot, I have been spending quite a bit of time tracking people down and posting mostly on K.S. trying to find those that bought the animals. Without concrete proof, I do not want to slam anyone....that is only being fair. I have just wanted people to know what they might be getting. From Mikes last post, he said people close to Tony are saying he admitted to it and wants to make restitution, if that is the case, I hope he does, it does not make everything right, but at least he would be man enough to admit it and try to fix it. Everyone falls on hard times, but that is where principal and conviction prove out. I knew he was on hard times, that is why I gave him so many animals for one pinstripe female, I knew he was getting the best of the deal but he needed it more than me and this is just a hobby for me, the bottom line is not as important as the friends and connections you make. That is why I felt bad about what he did, If he would have just sold everything I gave him for the going rate, he would have made money.. I got something I wanted.....Tony got a bunch of stuff he could sell and make a little cash. He abused it, for whatever reason, it was not right. I don't know if he can salvage his reputation, but like I said, his animals were all well cared for and I am very happy with the one I got from him. I tend to be a forgiving person and while I doubt I will ever work with Tony again, I do not wish him any ill-will and hope that if he does the right thing, others will forgive and forget.
 
PAULSCHUMANN said:
Hey everyone, lets give bryonsboas a big hand and a pat on the back for making that really important point, I guess I just didn't think that sarcastic example thru very well now did I. WELL HOW DO YOU KNOW I DIDN'T DISCONNECT THE PHONES FIRST BRYON....ARE YOU ALONE IN THE HOUSE???...LOL....sorry couldn't resist...Oh and thanks for helping Mike out by sharing all your valuable information with us.

Seriously Bryon, are ya bored, are ya 16, what is it, are you trying to raise the number of posts you have so you can look more experienced at forum discussions...

yeah yeah, i know....this post will be followed by the Ol' intelectual version of the "I know you are, but what am I" paragraph

I bet if you go back and look real hard you might find a mispelled word in one of my posts that you can point out to the rest of the BOI.

by the way, anyone can feel free to quote me
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It would seem I'm bored enough to poke monkeys with a stick.
 
milkman2 said:
Yes Cat, they were all the same sizes and weights. Although I have not been on Fauna BOI alot, I have been spending quite a bit of time tracking people down and posting mostly on K.S. trying to find those that bought the animals. Without concrete proof, I do not want to slam anyone....that is only being fair. I have just wanted people to know what they might be getting. From Mikes last post, he said people close to Tony are saying he admitted to it and wants to make restitution, if that is the case, I hope he does, it does not make everything right, but at least he would be man enough to admit it and try to fix it. Everyone falls on hard times, but that is where principal and conviction prove out. I knew he was on hard times, that is why I gave him so many animals for one pinstripe female, I knew he was getting the best of the deal but he needed it more than me and this is just a hobby for me, the bottom line is not as important as the friends and connections you make. That is why I felt bad about what he did, If he would have just sold everything I gave him for the going rate, he would have made money.. I got something I wanted.....Tony got a bunch of stuff he could sell and make a little cash. He abused it, for whatever reason, it was not right. I don't know if he can salvage his reputation, but like I said, his animals were all well cared for and I am very happy with the one I got from him. I tend to be a forgiving person and while I doubt I will ever work with Tony again, I do not wish him any ill-will and hope that if he does the right thing, others will forgive and forget.
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Great post, Daniel. :thumbsup:

I don't know, if Tony were to come clean, and make things right, it is possible that he could salvage some of his reputation.

It really makes a person wonder though, if he was a good guy to begin with, just what it would take to make him turn to such thievery to make a few bucks. If he fell on hard times, well.....for the most part, the herp community are good folks, and there would have been someone to try to help him out as you did.....help get him back on his feet or what have you. He could have sold some of the visuals he is said to have, if he indeed needed the money that badly? I don't know, I guess I'll just never understand it.

Hopefully, his conscience will steer him in the right direction, and he'll make good on what he's done. Only time will tell.
 
Cat_72 said:
It really makes a person wonder though, if he was a good guy to begin with, just what it would take to make him turn to such thievery to make a few bucks. If he fell on hard times, well.....for the most part, the herp community are good folks, and there would have been someone to try to help him out as you did.....help get him back on his feet or what have you. He could have sold some of the visuals he is said to have, if he indeed needed the money that badly? I don't know, I guess I'll just never understand it.

Hopefully, his conscience will steer him in the right direction, and he'll make good on what he's done. Only time will tell.
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I will not say what Tony is said to be going through, but rather that I've been through something very similar....4 times. I can't think of anything that would cause me to want to rip off a fellow hobbyist.

Anyone out there recall the wealth of knowledge they've received from others in this community at one time or another? Why turn on a community that can be so giving? Every time I give advice to a beginner, I feel I am in some way repaying the debt I feel is owed to folks who have been generous and helpful to me in my own endeavors.

As far as conscience and hard times, etc., hopefully yes, he will try to make ammends/restitution....if not, karma works in funny ways. This could do more to hurt his situation rather than better it.

Mike
 
captnemo said:
I will not say what Tony is said to be going through, but rather that I've been through something very similar....4 times. I can't think of anything that would cause me to want to rip off a fellow hobbyist.

Anyone out there recall the wealth of knowledge they've received from others in this community at one time or another? Why turn on a community that can be so giving? Every time I give advice to a beginner, I feel I am in some way repaying the debt I feel is owed to folks who have been generous and helpful to me in my own endeavors.

As far as conscience and hard times, etc., hopefully yes, he will try to make ammends/restitution....if not, karma works in funny ways. This could do more to hurt his situation rather than better it.

Mike
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Agreed completely, Mike. That's why I said I just don't understand it, and suppose I never will. Just trying to look for some insight into what can make someone do such a thing, if they ever were indeed a "good guy".

While this hobby seems to have more than its fair share of bad guys, it also boasts, IMO, a huge number of extremely kind and giving folks, folks that are always willing to help out the newbie or long-time fellow herper.

After the whole TSE debacle I went through, I may have given up on the hobby altogether if it weren't for those awesome folks. I could never imagine turning around and :censored:ing on them like Tony did.

And beyond the immediate results....these people also make it 100 times harder for a newbie to get started in this business....how much more difficult is it to sell hets nowadays? I know myself, it's the rare seller that I would trust to buy them from. Kinda gives the honest newb a kick in the arse. The ramifications go WAY beyond the initial few folks sellers like Tony rip off selling their fake hets.
 
One of these awesome folks you refer to is Dan M. I don't think I've mentioned it until now, but the reason I was looking for het pieds was for my 5 year old son. He enjoys helping me w/ the snakes we keep and breed, but the Piebald Ball Python lit him up like no other snake past or present. I had never seen him so excited about a snake! I told him we didn't have the $$ for a visual, but told him we could possibly make one. For me, it had never just been about the $$, but a fun project with my son's FAVORITE snake. It was not fun telling him that the project would have to wait.

Dan M. also involves his son, so he identified w/ how I'm feeling. He just contacted me to offer me possible hets he may produce this year. Here's a guy that feels bad about the situation even though all he did was try to help out a guy who was a little hard up (Tony), by sweetening a trade deal w/ some extra snakes. Dan did nothing wrong, yet people got hurt by Tony's deceptive resale.

JMartin also contacted me about giving me a better than average deal on some het albinos (w/ visual male really in his possession). Like Cathy, the way he and Dan have reached out to me to try and soften the impact of a bad situation really strengthens my faith in the folks within this hobby.

Thank you both! Also, thanks again for others who have helped w/ this situation.

Mike
 
Michael,

As we had discussed previously, I'm sorry this had to happen to you. There are absolutely good people out there, and hopefully you will find them instead of working with people that go out of their way to scam people.

I am very glad that this all came out in the open, so now people can see what is going on without being hush hush.
 
And yes.....

LadyOhh said:
Michael,

As we had discussed previously, I'm sorry this had to happen to you. There are absolutely good people out there, and hopefully you will find them instead of working with people that go out of their way to scam people.

I am very glad that this all came out in the open, so now people can see what is going on without being hush hush.
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I don't think this would have gone as far as it has without the help of a certain....um....Lady! I'm sorry...I've neglected to publicly thank you for being a catalyst in this whole thing by putting me in contact w/ Dan. Thanks m'lady! :D
Mike
 
captnemo said:
I don't think this would have gone as far as it has without the help of a certain....um....Lady! I'm sorry...I've neglected to publicly thank you for being a catalyst in this whole thing by putting me in contact w/ Dan. Thanks m'lady! :D
Mike
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I'm glad it worked out. No problem :)
 
Contact info for Tony

Well, I figured I'd try again and have called Tony at home for the past 2 days. I've left 2 messages, neither of which I really expected a response to. I let him know that if he simply wanted me to go :censored: myself, he could have had the :censored: to tell me himself. Here's his contact info for anyone else that may need to get in touch with him or that may have some influence and be able to talk him into making good. As listed in the white pages:

Anthony Copertino

home

1081 SW Janette Ave

Port Saint Lucie, FL 34953-1218

(772) 807-9590

In addition, Arthur Cohen has decided to become a member of the BOI, and one of his first orders of business has been to send me the following PM:

Hello Mike. I want to first start off by saying that the way you started this thread was kind of petty, but I DO understand the true reason. It has done exactly what you wanted it to. But I also have to say that I only live about an hour north of Tony and have met him several times. I too have been to his house and also been to his warehouse. I however was not allowed into the exact grounds where his animals were being held, but simply waiting in the parking lot. I have seen a few of his breeders and hatchlings. He does have pieds,spiders,ghosts,pastels,albnos, etc.. I have purchased quite a few albinos and ghosts from him. I did not ever see the one male that was in question obviously because it belongs to Joe Compel. I have spoken to him since this thread has come about and he is very ashamed of what has transpired. If you can e mail him and let him know how you truly feel I know he would appreciate it. His cell phone is off because he has not payed his bill. His wife is 6 1/2 months pregnant and having very severe complications. I know that has nothing to do with you, but he is going thru quite a rough time in his life. Like I said before, I have known him for quite a while, and I know I am someone he can trust enough to come to me and talk things out. Maybe you can find it in your heart to give him some time to come up with restitution to you for the trade deal that went sour? I hope this can bring a little more light onto what went down with you two.

My responses:

02/01/08
Thanks for your input, Arthur. If Tony feels so badly about what transpired, why has he not contacted me regarding this? I won't ask you why you haven't stated this publicly, as I know how the BOI wolves can operate. This does not answer the question as to why he was unable to produce actual pics of actual pieds, and why he sent me fake hets with a pirated photo. If Tony would like to make restitution, I would be open to accepting visual morph BP's either Homo recessive or Co-Dom's. I feel I have been fair and tempered in my judgment throughout this mess until I had concrete proof. He has not responded to my earlier requests for an explanation and his phone was mysteriously shut off after I had tried contacting him to discuss Joe Compel's post. If Tony would like to contact me, I'd be open to what he would like to offer. Have him give me a call, as I no longer have a working # for him.

02/04/08
Arthur-
I have PM'd Tony and just called him on his home phone and left a message. If you are indeed someone that Tony trusts, I would encourage you to use whatever ability you have to persuade him to do the right thing.
This deal did not "go sour" as you put it, nor do we need to bring "more light" on what happened. Your friend scammed me....plain and simple!
I have indeed found it in my heart to give Tony ample opportunity to contact me regarding restitution, both privately and publicly...he has chosen not to do so. He has shown absolutely no desire to make good on this deal.
Have you not spoken to Tony regarding my original response to this message? I suggest you share this w/ the community at this time....I gave you the benefit of the doubt initially, but w/ no reply from you or Tony, I suppose that may have been undeserved.
Mike Curtin

I am grateful to Arthur for being such a "concerned herper" that he has seen fit to come out in defense of a scammer. How diligent!

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107915&page=1&pp=5

Kinda makes me wonder, though, if Anthony Copertino, AandJReptiles, and/or A.C.E. Reptiles is perhaps going through another identity crisis....or it could be my paranoia after reading to much on the BOI :reddevil:
 
Wow. I'm glad I read this.

I just agreed on a trade with him for some 100% het albino BPs.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to back out now.
 
Spider het O.Ghost

Tony got that .1 Spider het O.Ghost from me. I picked her up in a trade deal from Allen along with a 1. BumbleBee het O.G and .2 Pastel het O.G. Allen took the 1. BumbleBee and the .2 Pastel's back from me in another trade deal and gave me full het value. If he had given me false hets in the first place I doubt if he woiuld have been interested in taking them back and reselling them.
 
Anyone who's credibility is now such that they are guaranteeing het genetics through ALAN BELCHER is probably a good person to stay away from. Glad you saw this.
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Furthermore, anyone that has to put a clause to guarantee their genetics, I stay away from. When I buy heteros is from anyone which I know his word is his bond. Yes, I still ask for a picture ID anyways, but it's just because of the possibility that I would want to sell the animal later.

Any individual who offers a guarantee stating that "if they don't produce after so and so breeding's I'll give you your money back or a visual or whatever, I stay away.

Why offer that guarantee when he should know his heteros are 100% heteros. It makes no sense. They are or they are not, period.
 
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