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Bad Guy Jeff Barringer's mistreatment to KINGSNAKE.COM Patrons Continues!!!!

rosebud945 said:
Hun, without proof to support his claims, his character is all we have to go on.
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BINGO!! Joe has painted himself into a corner, he has given a definitive time of this weekend to show the proof. If the weekend comes and goes and he doesn't, then bombs away. His character will then be the only thing we have to go by and it doesn't bode well for him in that case. But he said the weekend, and it has not come to pass just yet.
 
bmr1052 said:
BINGO!! Joe has painted himself into a corner, he has given a definitive time of this weekend to show the proof. If the weekend comes and goes and he doesn't, then bombs away. His character will then be the only thing we have to go by and it doesn't bode well for him in that case. But he said the weekend, and it has not come to pass just yet.
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Brian, you misunderstand me. I do not need emails and I don't even really care what went on between him and Mr. Barringer at this point. Joe's character as it appears in this thread and in past threads (one in which I was an active participant) have made me come to the conclusion that he is not to be trusted, with a sale or with whatever his version of the truth is. My mind is made up. He is probably more corrupt than that hard drive that he claims that he is working on recovering.

Wait for those elusive emails if you want, but his treatment of the tort in question did it for me. That is all of the evidence I need.
 
rosebud945 said:
Brian, you misunderstand me. I do not need emails and I don't even really care what went on between him and Mr. Barringer at this point. Joe's character as it appears in this thread and in past threads (one in which I was an active participant) have made me come to the conclusion that he is not to be trusted, with a sale or with whatever his version of the truth is. My mind is made up. He is probably more corrupt than that hard drive that he claims that he is working on recovering.

Wait for those elusive emails if you want, but his treatment of the tort in question did it for me. That is all of the evidence I need.
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Well then you are doing exactly what I was referring to in my police analogy. Who cares if Jeff is actually a bad guy, Joe has been a bad guy in the past so he isn't entitled to fair treatment?
 
oldworldlife said:
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU CALLED ME A TROLL.
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you like to make trollish posts?
I can't believe how many people flip animals out of rescues and how they back each other up . Craiglisters Beware
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Your reading comprehension is lacking, I never said you were a troll ... I said you were making trollish comments. There is a difference there. While you may or may not be a troll, your comment was definitely troll-like in its aspect of not offering anything substantial to the topic at hand, as are your subsequent posts.

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I have already stated that Joe has done a good job at making himself look very bad. And to supposedly "rescue" the tortoise, then try to resell it in a week or so, that speaks volumes about his character and business acumen.
 
bmr1052 said:
Well then you are doing exactly what I was referring to in my police analogy. Who cares if Jeff is actually a bad guy, Joe has been a bad guy in the past so he isn't entitled to fair treatment?
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I can see in Joe's own words why Jeff might have banned him if Jeff has a policy that forbids certain ethical practices. I do not need the emails to see that Joe was not making an ethical deal on that Tort. Better?
 
bmr1052 said:
Well then you are doing exactly what I was referring to in my police analogy. Who cares if Jeff is actually a bad guy, Joe has been a bad guy in the past so he isn't entitled to fair treatment?
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Can we please drop the premise that your "police analogy" has any relevance to this scenario? It doesn't.

Worst case scenario: making huge assumptions that the OP isn't peddling a completely self-serving fiction, as well as assuming that the CSI techs manage to "recover" the data from his HDD, Jeff will be shown to be guilty of doing nothing more than exercising his right to refuse service to anyone he so chooses. As the owner of a business, that is his right.

Will some people see it as a reason to not become paying KS members? Possibly. Does it make him a "Bad Guy"? I don't think so. No worse than any other site owner who's booted someone that they may feel is more trouble than they're worth. I think the thread was basically a dud to begin with. Luckily, some valuable insights into the OP's modus operandi have been revealed.
 
bmr1052 said:
Who cares if Jeff is actually a bad guy, Joe has been a bad guy in the past so he isn't entitled to fair treatment?
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You are **absolutely right** that Joe's guilt or innocence should not be decided for this incident based on past behavior. If that were true, no one would ever have an incentive to improve themselves, why would they bother?

I think though that one could come to one's own conclusions about behavior in past incidents, and then use those conclusions not to determine guilt, but to help in proving motive, opportunity, intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, absence of mistake, or lack of accident.
 
my 2 cents

Well it doesnt make sense how emails can be lost if a computer breaks. They can still be accessed or retrieved from another site like a library computer, etc as proof. Also if you place an ad on craigslist the originator can pull the add up in there account history. It is unfortunate that we cant see the other partys side of this story. I learned something from this thread that if you are to bring someone down on the BOI you must have back up and proof via emails before starting a thread. Without proof even though its not required theres no case here. Now i dont know if his intentions were to sell/flip animals off of craigslist.However I have been screwed over in the past myself placing an ad on Craigslist to adopt some of my snakes. Only to find that they werent going to a home and were being flipped and sold at a herp show. Or to see the person that I gifted the free snake too then selling it back on craigslist to make a buck. I really cant stand the craiglist scammers and those who receive gifted or WC animals who in turn sell them to make money for themselves. Anyway just had to rant. But then again I dont know if the OP is a craigslist scammer and there is no proof of that either .
 
Emails, proof and a single 3-year old Bad Guy thread aside; I could not care less about those; I'm more inclined to wonder, like others, about ethics and motives here.

Joe's very first post is about his perceived mistreatment by Jeff. He met with a "gentleman" and purchased the tortoise. NO mention of the tort's alleged mistreatment was made in his initial or quite a few later posts. Where's the outrage, the Bad Guy post on the "idiot" who mistreated the tortoise in the first inital posts?

Even after meeting the "gentleman", seeing the tort in person and purchasing her, Joe quickly decides he no longer wants her, despite her "horrendous" condition and places his ad on KS and Craigslist. The "gentleman" becomes an "idiot" and she becomes a "rescue" that Joe describes as "a very beautiful animal" in his Craigslist ad Nick/Focal (good job!) uncovered.

Then this:
...I rescued the tortoise because I felt I did rescue that tortoise from the person I bought it from. Did you see the shell growth???? The tortoise had obviously not been given the proper diet! And then when I first picked it up it was underweight for its size ... I truly felt sorry for the animal ...
Again, when I met this so called gentlemen, the tortoise looked horendous, but he seemed very sincere. Definitely my mistake for trusting him with the story he had sold me
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You felt so sorry for the animal that you attempted to unload her less than two weeks after purchasing her?

You felt so sorry for the "horrendous" condition of that animal that you had the gall to ask $1250 and $900 + shipping for? And describe her as beautiful? The animal you had for what, two weeks tops, and YOU said this about,"Did you see the shell growth???? The tortoise had obviously not been given the proper diet! And then when I first picked it up it was underweight for its size"
She's underweight and malnourished but it's more important that you unload her as quickly as possible since you just don't want to add her to your collection, as you stated in your initial post. Yeah, okay.

I'm not defending Jeff or KS or Jeff's decision. It's about back-peddling, contradictions and ethics. If that tort was in such bad shape then ethically and professionally, YOU should have taken the higher ground and nursed her back to decent health before you flipped her. Just as you said about the guy you bought her from, it definitely could be someone else's mistake trusting you with the stories you tell ... just something to think about.
 
Kinda smells like fish here huh?
Really dude?
Seems like you like you "stepped in it".
No one is perfect.
Just the nature of the beast.
I reccomend you appologize to Jeff, and be sincere about it.
If you can do it over the phone so much the better.
Might not (meaning probably not)fix anything like the ban situation,but you will both feel better about this thing.
I've been in both sets of shoes.
His shop.His rules.
You need to eat some "humble pie" here dude.
Good luck to ya.
Andy
 
I wouldn't advertise on Jeff Barringer's site if it were the last place in the world to advertise...

I was asked to leave because he didn't like my prices. He also kicks people off becasue other breeders tell him too. Just like my Partner Clark Tucker that was advertising geckos for he had receipts and Jeff said he was advertising other people's animals. Plus tons of other people.

The funny thing is most people on there are flippers and their prices are much higher than on Fauna.

Jeff runs that place with GESTAPO tactics and it is finally hurting him the wallet. He is a complete joke as far as I am concerned and I used to spend 10k a year there.

Now he couldn't pay me to advertise with him as I think his site is a complete JOKE!!!!!

Everyone knows where to go to get great quality animals at great prices. Right here at Fauna Classifieds. Rich the owner here has never once even talked to me about a price on animals or what to run my business... It is not the site's business but the sellers of the snakes at snakes are sold for.

Best of luck Jeff your going to need it... Keep on treating your customers like crap like you do putting your nose where it doesn't belong while your site is dieing quickly. LOL

It is actually kind of funny.. What a joke you are.....

Joe Capone Power House Reptiles
 
Joe at PHR said:
It is actually kind of funny.. What a joke you are.....
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We are going to need proof of this statement. You can't simply come on the BOI and make claims like this without evidence. Is it truly actually kind of funny? Or might there be something else at play here? I will conduct a full background check to see if he is in fact a joke or not.
 
I am the proof. Other breeders like Ball Boutique is the proof. Wes Harris Reptiles there are 100's of breeders... There is a lot proof.

I welcome Jeff Barringer to come on here and I will discuss this with him and him only.. Just like I did with Kevin at NERD. That is who I will talk too only is Jeff as he will be a coward as well and not come on here as I am absolutely right......

Joe Capone Power House Reptiles
 
Joe at PHR said:
I am the proof. Other breeders like Ball Boutique is the proof. Wes Harris Reptiles there are 100's of breeders... There is a lot proof.

I welcome Jeff Barringer to come on here and I will discuss this with him and him only.. Just like I did with Kevin at NERD. That is who I will talk too only is Jeff as he will be a coward as well and not come on here as I am absolutely right......

Joe Capone Power House Reptiles
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Sorry, my sarcasm wasn't laid on thick enough. It seems you must provide evidence for every single statement you make here. And if you don't, you are presumably a liar.
 
KORBIN5895 said:
Can you prove this Brian? That's a pretty Brash statement.

@ op

So do I win the kitty or will you actually be posting those email? The weekend is almost up.
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Feel free to browse any number of the bad guy threads....

But, you are correct the weekend is almost up and I have a feeling joes IT guy didn't come through..
 
My last statement on this until Jeff Barringer Comes.

Just like the white out issue with Amir's and Jonathon's at breeder circle's lies. Thier snake was nothing more than a nice Citrus Pastel... Next Kevin Mccurly's lies and now 7500.00 soul suckers females that were 17,500 3 months ago. I welcome Kevin to come back and discuss this more with me. If i did that I would be nailed to the cross.

Anyone making any Granites yet from their Granite Hidden Gene Womas LOL...... What a complete farse and joke that is as they only reproduce themselves....

They call me a market crasher what joke and he is as well. I am still waiting to see you eat your shoe publicly... How about all the people that over paid for your story? Oh well is that it? Great customer service there and way stand behind what you sell...

Just makes sure people you have their outrageous claims in writing on the invoice signed by them or other wise it is all here say in the court of law and no one has any recourse..

Also Anyone making any granites and regular Hidden Gene Woma's with there granite Granite Hidden Gene Womas that don't make screaming sibs, granites or regular Hidden gene Womas. They just reproduce themselves. That wasn't a question either... Now that is ridiculous.... Enough is enough with this lying crap....

I come on here and speak the truth and say it the way it is or I don't come on here at all.

My personal experience with Jeff Barringer is my proof. Come on out and let's talk about it Jeff I welcome you....

Joe Capone at Power House Reptiles
 
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