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Jimmy (e-mail : [email protected]) inquiry

Denise,

Are you now going to admit that you are his mother? You basically just stated that in your last post.
he knew that Jimmy was looking for the 40 hour or 72 hour heat pads and we were to ship on Thursday to arrive on Friday so why would he reverse the monies on Wednesday????
Allen stated that he heard nothing of what you are stating here. He said he e-mailed and did not get responses back from Jimmy nor anyone else. I would have done the same thing, If I expected animals to be shipped and they were not shipped I would inform paypal of the transaction and not wait around to get screwed. He contacted Paypal to let them know what was going on. He did not get the refund from them. They do not automatically issue the refund that quickly. If you have proof otherwise by all means please post it but You have PROVEN nothing in my eyes nor anyone else's regarding this issue. Also please admit who you are and stop the games of trying to act like you are someone else.
 
You know what Allen give it UP... You started this why don't you tell the TRUTH!!!!!

Denise Lund
Sacramento

You would bad mouth an 18 or 19 year old to cover your hind end!!! give me a break!!!

Jimmy goes to school and does several other things with Anglers, etc. so he is not around almost all day. I will be seeing him this weekend and looking at some of his wonderful dragons.
 
bad mouth?

I have not bad mouthed anyone. I have just stated facts about a deal that didn't work out, probably due to lack of experience. I want this thread to end. Please do not try to turn this on me.
 
Jimmy will post the TRUTH on this tonight!!! Lets see about this one Allen!!! Copies of the emails.... paypal reversal... let us just see about this!!!

Denise Lund
Sacramento

You knew full well what end was up and you reversed the money out of the PayPal ($600+)
 
You know what Allen you created it and the TRUTH needs to be posted don't you think these people deserve just that!!!! And Jimmy to that Fact... don't post untrue stuff...

Denise Lund
Sacramento
 
denise, is english you primary language? Allen has not bad mouthed anyone and has had no need to cover his hind end. He didn't leave anyone hanging in limbo, not knowing what had happened to the animals that were "supposedly" shipped. He didn't snipe, quip, or insult anyone during this entire thread. Can you say the same? Let me rephrase that, can you say the same and have the answer be truthful?

As far as jimmy being 18 or 19, that is plenty old enough to be responsible. If he were 10 or 12 then maybe some justification for your emotional posts would exist.

You also seem to still be having problems with your dates. Today, friday is the 15. Did you not say earlier that the dragons were to be shipped on the 13 for delivery on the 14. Oh wait, we're back to definitions again.

Just what is a lie where you come from?

wes pollock
 
I just want to post another fact.........I finally received an email with the picture in question that Jimmy allegedly used that was supposedly mine. The picture that he sent to them was in fact mine, which I still have saved on my computer. I have emailed him about this along with his mother. I have not yet heard back but they never had permission to use my pictures. I know it is not on the same exact topic as the original post, but it definately puts him in the two thumbs down category for me. OH..............This picture was either taken from the kingsnake gallery at one time or my website. Chris Allen
 
Jimmy will post the TRUTH on this tonight

Denise, before he does that, could you please clarify your relationship to him?
As others have mentioned, your use of "we" when referring to his actions gives the very strong impression that you are his mother - especially since your name is Denise.
You seem to have avoided addressing this in your past few posts.

It's admirable that you are sticking up for him so much, but when people read this in the future, your evasiveness about your relationship to him will likely be a factor as they form their opinion of him.

If you are his mother, better to say it now in my opinion rather than let everyone assume that you are, as most people reading this are probably doing now -- if you're not, it seems like it would be helpful to explain why you're doing the "we" thing.
 
Could it be that perhaps Paypal mistook Allen's concern and questioning as a request for a transfer back and then issued one? I'm not really sure how Paypal works but Denise does seem pretty adamant about the funds being transfered back. Could this have been done without Allen's knowledge? Just curious.

Meryl Lechner
 
I guess I had missed a few pages, lol, in my time away from the computer...........which was the better part of today.


For anyone who was wondering my age since it was questioned.................I am 23 years old. If you want to question who I am or what I do, please feel free. Short summary........Born in NY, raised in NJ . Some college, have done some extensive security and undercover work, and currently I am a tech in the telecommunications field. I also have been around herps since my mother used to bring me to the Staten Island Zoo when I was just an infant. Since then, its all amazing to me. I do know, this information is not important here at all really, but being that Denise said she thought I was just a bit older than Jimmy, I figured I would let you know more about me and more importantly exactly about me.
 
I have not had one bad experience. Actually I have talked to him numerous times and he has always bent over backwards to help out.
So you are a satisfied customer. Or at least that is what you make it sound like.
I traded a couple of dragons with Jimmy. I bought a few of his babies a few weeks ago and have been very pleased with there color and health.
When asked about your relationship....you did not answer but instead told us about how satisfied you are as a customer.
As mentioned before I am a buyer and somewhat of a friend and enjoy talking to Jimmy
Now you are a customer and SOMEHWAT of a friend.
Actually yes I was called as a reference and a friend.
Now you are a friend
The other was refunded this morning and there is NO deal we do not do business with these types of people.
Now it is a WE?
he knew that Jimmy was looking for the 40 hour or 72 hour heat pads and we were to ship on Thursday to arrive on friday
There is that word we again.
You went from a satisfied customer. To somewhat of a friend. To a friend.....and now a business partner?

But I took it upon myself to be involved in this forum.
I thought you said you were called and asked to come here and defend {reference} him? Now you are saying you did it on your own.
I called and spoke to them at great lengths and asked them to forward the emails so I can know exactly what you and everyone else is saying...
Yeah...Jimmy's computer is broken...that is why you had to do all that. He could not post himself. And to think...you went through all that trouble for someone whi is just "somewhat" of a friend.

QUOTE 1
And the reality of the matter is this Allen guy knew exactly what time of day it is... he actually reversed the money Tuesday night and was told Sunday Jimmy was not shipping on Monday. Do you ship with NO money????

QUOTE 2
Jimmy actually bought that lizard and another from that person to my knowledge. He spent over $1000 for some lizards from her 16 year old friend and that deal was between Jimmy and her.

QUOTE 3
Thank you for the post... You know that is what I am saying, he was TOLD (Allen) that they would not ship on Monday. Well on Tuesday when he went to get heat pads there were NO 40 hour ones. So he could not ship on Tuesday and ALLEN was TOLD this too... On Wednesday looked for heat pads again, only could find 7 hour ones and those won't due, then to find out that he wanted Jimmy to ship and ALLEN had reversed the $600+ dollars!!! Would you have shipped??? Why did he REVERSE the monies????
you sure do know a lot aobut the transaction for someone who is "somewhat" of a friend. I have a good friend here. We have bred some of our animals together. I used his albino for a couple of my females... He lives 1.5 miles away. But he does not know that much about my transactions. You know WWAAAAYYYY to much about his transactions. And you used the word WE just a few too many times.

Monies might have been refunded....no harm no foul. But someone around here is lying about their relationship with Jimmy. Or at least their true Name.


Hey "Denise Lund" can you at least tell these people your real name?
Your Real first and last name please.
Or would you like me to do it for you
 
"Denise Lund"
Your next posting should contain your real first and last name.
Otherwise your real first and last name will be posted by me.

I am hereby giving you a chance to come clean.


Wow did I just give someone a chance to come clean on theri own? I am getting soft in my old age.
 
Don't you have anything better to do all day??? Do you work????

~Now THAT was a shot! And a pretty low one. I know Allen fairly well and he has plenty to do but sadly he had to waste so much of his time defending himself when he was not in the wrong.
As far as having nothing better to do..you might want to rethink that one..... 29 Posts over a span of about 18 hours tells us you have no right to be throwing that potshot at Allen...or anyone else, for that matter.

~And I learned, the hard way, that if you don't report a problem to PayPal as soon as you suspect it, you end up on the short end of the deal. I arranged to purchase a reptarium last year and sent the money via PayPal. I never received the item, could not get ahold of the seller and when I tried to get a refund from PayPal, the seller no longer had an account and had just "disappeared". At that time, the rules were a little different and there was no insurance.

~If Jimmy is young and still learning , as you have REPEATEDLY stated. then he has {hopefully}learned a valuable lesson today. Something like....

1. Present your animals honestly and do not advertise animals for sale if you are not prepared to ship.
a. If there IS a problem, keep an open and HONEST line of communication with the buyer. Most buyers are very understanding if you are up front with them.

2. If you are involved in anything underhanded, be prepared to have it exposed on this forum! :p

3. If you are not old or mature enough to take the heat, then you should not be attmepting to do business.

4. Be very careful what you say and how you say it! Your words may very well turn and bite you in the butt.

5. and lastly, ...Fight your own battles! It shows maturity and good ethics.

~I sort of feel bad for Jimmy, the foundation that has been put down for him is not pretty. What sort of lessons has he learned now? Looking back over his "advocate's" posts, I, too, think he would have been better off on his own merits. He hardly stands a chance now. Especially since none of us can tell the players without a program!!

Waiting to see how this one turns out....
 
FROM JIMMY TO Allen and everyone else... more to come


Couldn't ship them today will try again tomorrow.
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: 21 baby dragons for sale Sandfire x sandfire reds and San...


Do you have a tracking number for the shipment of bearded dragons?

Let me know

Allen
 
FROM JIMMY to everyone else

I just received an email and it looks like the money has been taken out as per a complaint. I need to know what you want to do.





----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: 21 baby dragons for sale Sandfire x sandfire reds and San...
 
Canceled Payment (ID #1PF55743KR3xxxxx)
In reference to: 0EF658303B59xxxx




Related Transactions
Date Type Status Gross($) Fee($) Net($)
Mar 9, 2003 Payment From Allen Both
Reversed 630.00 -18.57 611.43

Mar 12, 2003 Reversal To Allen Both Pending -611.43 0.00 -611.43








Name:
Allen Both
 
Oh, for Pete's sake!!

Allen, will you please post the complete emails?

Ritchie, she didn't heed your advice. Will you tell us who she is now?

Denise (or whomever you might be), posting the headers to emails is showing us what exactly?
 
Copied from PayPal the reversal


Name:
Allen Both (The sender of this payment is Verified)
Email:
[email protected]
Email Address That Payment Was Sent to:

[email protected]


Gross Amount:
630.00
Fee Amount:
-18.57
Net Amount:
611.43



Date:
Mar 9, 2003
Time:
21:26:44
Status:
Reversed


Subject:
dragon money
Note:
Here is the money for the 21 bearded dragon babies.
 
"Denise Lund"
Your next posting should contain your real first and last name.
Otherwise your real first and last name will be posted by me.


Once again...why don't you tell us your real name?

"Denise"
When you think April. Do you think taxes or do you think birthday? But then again they are one day after the other right?

Or am I gravely mistaken?
 
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