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Doesnt this guy ever go away? go crawl under the rock you burried your puking emeralds under already will ya, hey Tim if your going to be in Chicago we gotta hook up Ill be there with a buddy of mine in one of the end booths not sure were at but anyway hope to see you there
 
Tim, didn't you know that Joe is above his own rules? The rules over there apply to everyone but the moderators.

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I'd say discretion, honor, and impartiality were lacking from Joe's post. Oh well, at least he was open about the way he feels when he took that juvenile shot at you. I guess one out of four is acceptable o'er there.
 
I couldn't resist at taking a peak.  There only appears to be about 5 people on that site.
 
Wow!


I didn't even know this thread was this large.

I really don't come out of my cave much but someone told me about it so here I am. I really just keep to myself and once in awhile help out a newbie (which we all were at one time). I have , absoultely have had, the WORST results with KS forums because of these silly pi$$ing matches. I rarely even go to the forums to look nowadays. I once inquired about obtaining a Male Parson's Chameleon (which is my speciality and most favorite animal on the planet) and instead of a few simple replies the thread became WWIII until someone figured out I'm one of the originals from the 80's to work with these beautiful animals. All the "righteous" ones (who never have even handled one) finally went away. I was VERY pleased with KS to see they actually moderated the Tree boa forum. All I did was give someone a resource, a direction, to help them find some of the answers they need for their hobby. I didn't even know who Tim was.  

I keep to myself. I was very neutral in this JoePee thing until that crap post while I was trying to  help a newbie. If you are reading this Joe then know this: that stupid, disrespectful, reply to my simple post has put me on the the other side of the fence from you and yours for good.


If Tim had any tact or brains he could have put a similar post just saying "the TBF is another site specifically for Tree boa keepers" but he had to prove everybody right and be a public idiot.  


At least Jeff at KS is moderating things correctly. Keep it friendly, proffesional ,or get the he!! off of the forum.



I'm going back to my cave now.



Thanks

Ralph Chapman <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>
 
It is a very sad thing to watch any animal get sick and fall from our care.  

But this link is the worst of them all.  Many of the ETB's that where listed have been put down.  This concentration camp for ETB's is the worst example of neglect and total ignorance of good husbandry practrices I have ever seen.  A total lack of any real respects for a quarantine period has spread the unkown puker factor through out the collection.  Whatever the disease is that ran through this colony by the total lack of concern for the health of the animals or just simple stupidity, should be isolated and irradicated.  Hopefully this keeper will learn from his mistake and learn how to care for them properly and what a true quarantine period is with respect for the animal and not the greedy dollar.

Sadly the animals left on the list will mostlikely follow the same path as the ones before them.  Its a disgusting shame that he is to pompass to learn from this tragedy.


The Green Mile for ETB's

How much longer will he continue to kill these great creatures and spread this disease to other colonies?
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It's a shame. With all the advances we've made in ETB health and husbandry all it takes is one certain gutless individual to spread a plaugue trhoughout collections accross the country.

It's a real sin that so many animals were put down from that collection...just because one individual has to be so pompass and ignorant.

Keep up the good work Joe.  How are treeboa sales going booby?

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Hey Tim,
So you think he'll really show this weekend?  Please Please please bring a camera and get some good pics for us!
(Like he's gonna show...)
 
The latest tim watley/JoePee trash on his forum.  

Why wont you bring your big butt and huge mouth over here to face the truth for a change?  Come out of hiding you coward.

And quit killing ETB.  


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Posted by tim on October 02, 2002 at 17:10:11:

In Reply to: My All Time Favorite Patternless. posted by Joe P. on September 30, 2002 at 22:13:52:



There should be a picture here but the idiot Tim/Joe cant figure out how to post it correctly.



since tim cant keep his big feet out of his mouth on that other message board i think ill give them something to whine about.


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Danny
I really think he will show up like he does here in Columbus.
Oh wait, thats right, he doesnt show up anymore.  <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>  

So I guess the answer to your question is, probably NOT.

Ralph,
Welcome out of the cave.  LOL
 
Oh you gotta see this one folks.

Follow me....

Seems Joe now has a freind doing his attacks on me since he can't do it himself.

For a good laugh go read it.  See what kind of TROLLS and trash follow him.
 
Although this thread has entertained me for quite some time as of late.. but.. I think this has gone above and beyond the scope of this board and has become a personal attack on Joe P.  I think the almighty webmaster needs to put an end to it.  from the current 29 pages of posting.. I think anyone that wants to read all of it.. can get enough opinions from Tim and others to make their own decisions...

But.. thats just my opinion.....
 
Scott, Hey how's it going haven't talked in a while.  I hear what your talking about, when a thread just keeps draging and draging out.  I don't think this is the case though.  A good guy here got burned with a sick animal.  Not just the fact that its a higher end animal and there's some money in play, but more importantly a sick animal was put on someone else's colony, sold as a healthy animal jepordizing his entire collection.  I think this thread SHOULD BE posted on every once and a while just so it rises to the top of the screen and everyone can see it repeatedly.  I know that when I myself am in the market for quality captive bred Emmy's, I at least know who not to go to!  Just my opinion...   Mike
 
To Mr. Jack Anonymous,

Stop lying.  
You have never contacted me in regaurds to any animals I have purchased from Mr. Bowles.  Or any of his breeding projects.

Should you be so inclined to come here, I will be more than happy to tell you all about them as they are perfect in every way.  

You have the very distinct smell of a trouble maker and have proven already to be a liar.
 
Scott,

You're right this thread has dragged on for a long time but as long as this $cumbag is out there it needs to be seen.  This person is the scurge of the arboreal boid world...he preys on those that are not informed and is a master at making you believe he's something that he's really not.  

I have been battling Joe for a few years now and I know what this lowlife is capable of, this string will help others understand as well and prevent anyone from spending *alot* of hard earned money on an animal that will surely die if it originates from anywhere within 10 feet of JoPee's collection.

In fact, I think webslave should permanently post this thread at the top of the BOI as I think JoPee is the lowest of the low with regards to the ripoff artists mentioned on this website.

As long as JoPee keep rearing that big fat head...this post needs to continue to serve as a warning for others.
 
I'll second Danny but I also want to point out that on a number of times Danny and others have traced the ISP from "friends" right back to JoeP, imlpling he's using other names and such to post replies to his own posts. We have recently had a a few "unknowns" pop up that have far too much knowledge to be just that. Not to mention they won't use their full names or anything like that, most likely because they don't exist.





This kind of person needs to be kept an eye on, I can personally say that buying a sick ETB abd having it die in less than 3 weeks despite a Good Herp vet and having no luck in getting back your $$$$ is a terrible experience.

One last fact. This guy always has the option to make a reasonable post to clear things up or defend himself yet he won't, he knows why.




My .10


Ralph Chapman
 
Just thought I would share with everyone that Joe is still at it (as if you all didn't already know that <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>)

We didn't get a puker (well at least not that I know of as she hasn't eaten yet, so it's real hard to puke when it doesn't eat)

About a month ago we bought the most gorgeous female emerald from Joe. We saw her pictures and everything looked great. We paid for her and got her shipped out to us. The next day we noticed that one of her eyes was starting to get very full of mucus and start to puff out from the socket. Almost to the point of the eye popping.

We called Joe and he informed us that the snake had "Bubble Eye" No vet or reptile store has been able to confirm what that disease is yet.  Anyway. Joe said that we could send her back and he would give us a refund on her, or exchange her for another female.  We made the arrangements to do so.

The problem was that she is really most beautiful animal that you've ever seen. And what Joe was telling me that he was going to do  (drain the eye and give her some medicine) seemed so simple. SO I told him I was going to call a local Vet and see if they could help her.

At that time he told me that if I had her seen by a Vet, he wouldn't guarantee the animal because he doesn't know what the Vet knows. (In hindsight after reading 30 pages in this thread, I know why he said that. He was afraid of what we'd find out)

This female was very obviously sick and even looked to be in pain. So I called the Vet anyway. We have an excellent exotics Vet who came to look at her. And the only question that we had for him after he looked at her was: what wasn't wrong with her.

She had extensive worm infestation. The filling of the eyes was a very severe respitory infection that not only infected her eyes, rotted out all her teeth, left mouth sores and filled up her ears. We were basically looking at a snake that should have been dead, but by some miracle wasn't. The Vet later determined through some blood work that this was not a new illness, shipping made it progress rapidly because she was stressed out, but this illness was months in the making.

SO now 35 days later, the Vet came back because she hasn't eaten in about 6 weeks (according to Joe's records on her) and seems to be getting very lethargic. He first checked her out and was happy to report that by just looking at her, it seemed the infection had goneand now looked more like malnutrition was probably the reason for her not looking and acting like an emerald. Blood work later confrimed that the infection is now gone. <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
She was force fed yesterday as she is petrified of food in general. Alive or dead. We tried everything even went to frozen and live chicks.

She's now out of quarantine and looking like an emerald. For the first time in weeks she's back up in the branches in her cage.

While everything worked out ok. The Vet says she's been traumatized. He said to expect a few more times of having to force feed her to get her back to her proper nutrition.

A happy ending, but to be honest, there were some days in there we thought she was going to die. Many days I wished I'd sent her back for my refund. But now I'm glad I didn't. She's healthy now and the Vet says in a few months she'll be good as new and in a few sheds her eyes will be clear and healthy again.

Anyway, moral of the story: The Vet determined a lot of what she had to be airborne. So chances are one snake has it, every snake in his collection is infected the same way. We've racked up $1300 in medical bills and medicine for her so far. Which isn't a small investment, but worth every penny of it.
 
Nancy,

You should be commended for sticking to your guns on this animal.  I can just about 100% guarantee that if you had returned this animal to JoPee it would now be in the freezer!

He'd most likely look at it and toss it in the freezer like he has already done with most of his collection from what I hear.

I'll never forget how JoPee once recommended pouring hydrogen peroxide to aid infected eyecaps, this would result in severe burns and blindness to the eyes.. It's advice like this and experiences like yours that pretty much speak volumes for this individual.

Good job on not giving up on that animal!
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Danny, Thanks <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

One of the reason's I didn't send her back is she is just the most beautiful animals I've ever seen.  She's the one we were going to mate the male with that we got from you. But the Vet says with her weight loss, she most likely will not be ready to breed this season.  So we're looking for another female to try and get this season in. Even if she's ready this year, I think she's been through enough the last few months and should have a little while to adjust now to her new surroundings.

Thanks again. Joe wasn't ever a "bad" guy to us. He was very helpful in answering some questions and did offer to give me a full refund. He just sold us a bad animal. But everything turned out great. She's worth every penny to get her back into good shape as I said, she's absolutely beautiful. <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
 
Nancy,
Sorry to hear about yet another problem animal he sold.  I am very glad you took the time to work with it and hopefully it will make a complete recovery for you.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">At that time he told me that if I had her seen by a Vet, he wouldn't guarantee the animal because he doesn't know what the Vet knows. (In hindsight after reading 30 pages in this thread, I know why he said that. He was afraid of what we'd find out)
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Funny thing, I dont see any such clause that says you cant have them vet checked before the 100% satisfaction gaurantee 30 day time frame is up it or null and voids the agreement.  Regaurdless of what the vet may or may not know, he is no vet(and that is painfully obvious) so how can he judge a vets knowledge base.  

I am missing something here?
 
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We thought we were missing something too. Which is why orginally I was going to have a vet just look at her and not actually do anything so I could make that assesment on whether or not to send her back. When the vet said that the eyes getting bad was just a result of a much deeper problem we kind of all made the decsion together to treat her here.

What I assume now was that Joe didn't want us to find out about the problems she had that the Vet rattled off to us just by looking at her. That's just my guess though.

But like I said, all in all she looks good again. There were some scary times when she was just laying on the bottom of her enclosure. My husband thought for sure a couple of times she was going to die. But today now, she's back up on her branches wrapped around looking like the rest in our collection.   She's got some of her fistyness back too. <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
 
Congratulations on the recovery Nancy.


I myself have been doing oodles and oodles of research on ERS since this past Feb and while there have been times I wanted to put down an animal "for its own good" I don't. I've racked up some big $$$$$ Vet bills despite my Herp vet not really charging me for everything done but its a living animal(s) that is in my care. It's our RESPONSIBILITY to maintain their health if we choose to take them out of the wild. You succeeded with yours, its looking like I've completed my work too. It's a huge shame on one person in particular to be involved with these animals and learn from the examples of people like us and others to take care of their responsibility to these animals, or any animal for that matter.


Question?   Why didn't the "quality" businessman not send you back a refund anyway? You contacted him the day you knew it was sick. You have vet bills you can copy and foward to him. It sounds like an excellent court case if he wants to stick you with everything but all that unpleasantness aside. A good business will stand by its animals or its mistakes and take care of the customer. He should refund you the cost of the snake. If he was smart he would do that just to regain some status of a reputation that is completely gone in my eyes not to mention he could use the information from those copies to treat his own animals if he knows which end of a needle goes into the animal..........





I would at least, politely, get my money back for the animal to offset the Vet bills. If that can't be done then go for the whole amount via the court. Perhaps your vet would be willing to come testify? It would be a good way for him to help deal with the person who gave him such a sick snake to work on in the first place.


If none of that works Nancy then just come hang out at corallus.com


one more person hanging out with us just infuriates him even more as his numbers dwindle at his "number one tree boa" site.


All these things help deal with someone who sells sick animals, whether in money, prestige or just ego.  Take your pick but don't let this go because he'll just do it again to some other unsuspecting customer and more animals



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Ralph Chapman <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>
 
Ralph,

At this point, I'm just glad she's better and even more glad that I didn't send her back and got her taken care of.

Between all the ventures that we have going I'm not sure I really have time to fight Joe about it. So I'll take my beautiful Emmy and be glad she's ok now.

BTW, I do check out corallus.com everyday. I haven't registered but I read it daily. <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
 
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