KelliH and others Banned? Why?

[bcfos]

This IS the real Brian Foster. At least this is the same Brian Foster that I knew many years ago on the BCF. He just disapeared for a while...but he's back now. That makes me happy...I missed my friend.

Jay you trying to make me blush aren't you??


BOTOX injections for all then... Who needs the "E" when you can have wrinkle reducing sweat hindering toxins.

 

[Lucille]

Jay you trying to make me blush aren't you??

I didn't realize that was possible......

 

[bcfos]

I didn't realize that was possible......

Get Jay good and worked up and he can do it.

 

[Dr Owens]

Get Jay good and worked up and he can do it.

LMAO! Yeah..."back in the day" we used to get more that just a bit out of hand on the BCF from time to time.

 

[reptilebreeder]

geckoforums.net GGC???

http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=123

Another thread on bragging rights of being banned from Fauna...

http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=110

Thread involving the Hammock Fund and Rich...

http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=133

Someone with access to the Mod Forum here taking screen shots and providing it to Non-Mods...

http://geckoforums.net/showthread.php?t=113
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I don't think this is EVER going to end...

Certainly not when people have nothing better to do than go to another site with a fine toothed comb and then post every link here. It's no longer a secret, so if people want to view the other site, let them, but don't continue "egging on" the situation, and then mention that you don't think it will never end.

 

[bcfos]

LMAO! Yeah..."back in the day" we used to get more that just a bit out of hand on the BCF from time to time.

Yeah but it was all fun untill someone got knocked down, knocked out, or knocked up....

 

[nicolai]

Yeah but it was all fun untill someone got knocked down, knocked out, or knocked up....

And who pray tell was doing the knocking up Brian?? Come on you can tell us . Are there little "fosters" running around out there we dont know about??

 

[bcfos]

And who pray tell was doing the knocking up Brian?? Come on you can tell us . Are there little "fosters" running around out there we dont know about??

Nope and I got the test results to prove it.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Reptile Breeder,
The source which you quoted identified multiple threads within Gecko Forums where the topic of discussion was Fauna and its members. With regard to those who are of the opinion that Kelly was in a "No win" situation, here are her own words from the "Fauna Favorites" thread yesterday. The last sentance seems to indicate a business decision, not a dilemma.

Posted by Kelli H., (post 336)

I was/am hurt. The "bash Fauna" thread wasn't meant to be seen by anyone except the few that were here, so it was not a start all this... However, what's happened has happend, this is now a gigantic ball of snow rolling down a very steep and very long hill. I can't stop it at this point, and I figure why not put it all out there, lay all the cards on the table.

It is rather humorous that yesterday they were all shook up about a "traitor" in their mist, who "outed" the thread (their words). And today they have a thread with the screen shots pilfered from the Mod Forum here! Jay, the "scab picking" analogy has lost all credibility with me. This is not a misunderstanding between Rich and Kelli. IMO, all efforts seem to have a net result of "getting even" and/or "getting members", regardless of bridges burned. I am just not sure of the proporton of each.

 

[Dr Owens]

Jim,
Have to talked with Kelli in the last few days? Or are you just assuming that you know what she's thinking based upon what other people are posting on her forum?

 

[Chameleon Company]

Jay,
Shall we engage in a debate about the "do as I say", or "believe as I say" approach vs. "not as I do" ? I have posted my opinions directly into the thread there, to include my latest one a couple of hours ago. I did so because being as she is "banned", I felt it likely she could not read my criticisms here. I left her ways to contact me if she had the desire. I have spoken with people who have spoken with her, but that makes it second hand. I am solid in relying on her actions, not her words. She is not helpless unless she chooses to be in all these scenarios. While she cannot stop people from starting posts, may not care to or be able to edit posts in a timely manner, delete posts, etc, how about just a post from the ADMINISTRATOR where applicable, in her own site, saying "please take this in another direction". I have now quoted two of her posts from the "Fauna Favorites" in her exact words. They are not discouraging the blood-letting in her site aimed at membership here. They encourage it. In our own Mod forum, there are mods echoing these exact sentiments, as they shared their views with me. Jay, my view is that she is the boss, not the bystander. She has options. Failure to exercise them is a choice. Her posts were voluntary.

 

[WebSlave]

I have heard that Kelli has mentioned something about the "fiasco" misunderstanding she had concerning my saying that term in a thread on this site. But I understand her rendition now is not exactly flattering. Perhaps I need to refresh her memory with what really transpired:

This is a PM I sent to Kelli on 05/10/06 in response to HER pm to me:

Kelli, Fortunately I was shocked to disbelief when Steve called me last night so I didn't have time to get angry. And I decided to terminate that discussion before I reached that point. Of course my comment about "fiasco" was about what Chris tried to pull. You know, I wrote a small novel here, but just deleted it. We both don't need to go into this any longer. Take care, Kelli.

Hi Rich, Steve told me he called you last night about what you said about the Hayden Fund/Hammack Fund being a fiasco. I read your post right before he walked in the door from work and I was kind of teary eyed. He asked what wrong and I told him. Maybe you would have done the same thing if you came home and your wife was crying. It hurt me because to me the Hayden Fund was what made me have the will to continue on with my geckos. Not the money (although there was over $9000 raised) but the fact that so many people really cared enough to help out me and my family. It gave me a tiny bit of hope I guess. It was a good and positive thing in the reptile community and I don't think it was a fiasco. After some thought I realized you might have been referring to the B.S. that went on between you and Chris about the auctions. Of course, that was of you and Chris' own making, not me or anyone else involved in the auctions. So basically if it was truly a fiasco, it was becasue of the two of you, not anyone else. Anyway, I just wanted to explain why Steve was a little angry. And why I was hurt. The misery and hell and heartbreak my family and I have been through is indescribable, truly it is. Maybe I am too sensitive for my own good, but I can't help it these days. I really hope that you can see that the Hayden Fund wasn't a fiasco at all. I would still like to continue as the Leo Mod, if that is ok with you. I enjoy contributing here. If you still want me to mod, I was wondering what your thoughts are on giving me the ability to impose warning points on users. There was an instance earlier where I had to delete a post because of the use of the word "Niggaz" and other derogatory stuff. I would be very careful about issuing points of course, and would only do so within the realm of my forum (Leo Gecko). Well, hope you are doing good, Kelli

In that PM you can PLAINLY see that she admits to recognizing what I had meant by that "fiasco" comment. Heck, that PM seems downright cordial to me, doesn't it? Is this the way she is portraying the situation over there?

BTW, the EXACT quote of my statement is here:

Sorry but I still have scars from the time several years ago when I did something like that (i.e the Neil Gubitz store break in). Not to mention the last auction fiasco as well about this time last year, which coincidentally involved Chris. I have fully learned my lesson about doing that sort of thing.

If someone wants a special section set up for that use, I will be glad to do it for you, but YOU will have to manage it and be responsible for all aspects of it.

And this was in response from a suggestion by Scott Ashton as:

I think a fund raising auction through Fauna would be a great way to get this done.

 

[Lucille]

how about just a post from the ADMINISTRATOR where applicable, in her own site, saying "please take this in another direction". I have now quoted two of her posts from the "Fauna Favorites" in her exact words. They are not discouraging the blood-letting in her site aimed at membership here. They encourage it. In our own Mod forum, there are mods echoing these exact sentiments, as they shared their views with me. Jay, my view is that she is the boss, not the bystander. She has options. Failure to exercise them is a choice. Her posts were voluntary.

I SO agree with this post. Kelli needs to take charge on the site she initiated. She needs to put an end to the fractious infighting, and apologize to those she has wronged.

This entire thing needs to proceed in another, better, more human direction.

 

[hill4803]

Gotta step in for a second...I disagree that there is any type of "encouragement" to harm fauna members or "blood letting", although there was a tough comment from a few members to Tom...but I digress. Most of the conversation today on the "other" forum have been light hearted and not confrontational towards fauna or really anyone. We all have opinions and anyone is welcome to disagree with them. I would suggest if anyone (including you, Rich) is curious about the content of our discussions, you need to go over and take a look. I won't tell anyone if you won't!

 

[Chameleon Company]

I have an obligation to add something, as I said that I would in the thread in Gecko Forums with my last post, which is somewhere around number #500. I read every post there up to when I made my that one. While the first half of that thread contained a lot of derogatory and insulting comments about mods and members here, it had toned down significantly, and the thread had become not unlike a large chat room, with old friends greeting each other. There were some very well-spoken posts, with much restraint shown by ex-members of Fauna who were choosing not to pile on. There seemed to be more sniping among themselves than barbs aimed at people here. With that said, I know of two ex-Mods here (resigned in good standing), and two current mods here, who were roasted by adults in ways we would discipline our own children for if we heard them talking as such. In some cases in more posts than I would care to count. I think it fits Kelli's "all cards on the table" invitation. I have directly communicated with 3 of the 4, and they are angry and hurt. I do not include Rich in that count, although we have communicated, for I think he realizes that being a pin-cushion comes with the turf. I have only looked at the thread there that I posted in. I may have missed slights. There were also decisions made by Kelli and Marcia to go public with things that IMO opinion were best left private, and resolved in private. Is someone holding a gun to their heads?

 

[Lucille]

In the face of all this name calling, dissension, and the way the folks at her site are tearing people up, I think this quote from Kelli's post to Rich shows a concern with the ability to punish other people. I think that before there is even any consideration of anything of that nature, we need here to be shown that there is an intent of peace.

Kelli said somewhere on her site that it was snowballing out of control. I think it would be a good exercise for her to show that she can moderate the site she created.

"If you still want me to mod, I was wondering what your thoughts are on giving me the ability to impose warning points on users."

Kelli, we need calm, and peace.

 

[bcfos]

So now we are boldly telling others how to moderate their own site. I think such statements are better left to private emails and communications with the parties involved than posted in a very public forum. This would show a little respect and tact you know, and not fuel the fire here. You say it is wrong what is happening over there, yet you stoke the flames a little more here also. Don't straddle the fence, pick a side and stay true to it.

 

[Jeremy Letkey]

After 300 plus posts, I seem to be a little confused.
Just what is expected of the offending parties??

Should all of the posters on the other forum be scolded?

Should the thread be deleted or closed?

Should there be a public and or private apology?

Does a fine need to be paid?

What makes this right?

What makes this go away?

I don't think there is a cure all answer.

So somebody please tell me, what needs to be done.

Truefully I would love to hear from one of the offended parties more so than anyone else. Even though I know damn well that everyone else will also offer their own opinion.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Should the thread be deleted or closed?

Should there be a public and or private apology?

Does a fine need to be paid?

Their's my answer for you Jeremy. However, I don't believe I will look at any of the individuals who participated the same again.

 

[Dr Owens]

Jay,
Shall we engage in a debate about the "do as I say", or "believe as I say" approach vs. "not as I do" ?

What???