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Kingsnake problem, anyone else had this problem with classified account?

Did someone say Buckeye AZ?

Wow. Talk about guilt by association. Is Jeff Miller in Buckeye? (I ask because I don't know the first thing about him).

I also ask because I am hoping that those who believe that Savannah has done wrong won't think that everyone from the podunk town of Buckeye AZ is "BAD". I've only lived here since August, but I've been a high school teacher here for two and a half years.

The good thing is, I only own two pythons, neither of which could breed with teh other. :) One female Jungle Carpet Python, and one male (?) ball python.

Just wanted to make clear where I'm REALLY from (sure my profile says Phoenix, it's a generalization). Figure it's better to be up front and honest.

AS far as the issue at hand, I really really hope that it gets figured out.
 
Bob why don't you just admit you want these Dwarf Burms and you will do what it takes to get them? If you had a chance to buy them why didn't you?? I think if you did have this so called chance you would have jumped on them.

You also said you've known Anson Wong for 20 years. Does this mean you have done business with him or his wife? Are you guilty by association for that? You tried to buy them from behind her back from who Ansons wife?

If Savannah is guilty of being young and naive (your words) then what does that say for the so called GURU of Burmese Pythons?
Does this mean that it is your way or the highway?

Jon Brant
 
I think the truth is already apparent for all to see

Bob why don't you just admit you want these Dwarf Burms and you will do what it takes to get them?
Jon, Do you mean "THOSE DWARF BURMS"? It looks like you are in possesion of them by your post..
Good luck Bob!
 
KJ what's the deal? Are you dating Jeff? Is there another plasma TV being offered as a prize?

Jeff will always hide from this site! It's like you know, how Vampires don't go out in the sun and felions don't go hang out at the police station. He has no defense so he just will not respond or will resort to banning ANYBODY that goes against him.

Don't try to defend a person that won't even defent themselfs. If they won't clear the dust there's a reason for it and we all know what it is!
 
John he doesnt want the dwarfs I assure you that. He was trying to find the facts, get her on the phone and fuind out exactly what was going on with her and Jeff. Also she admitted thats shes friends with him and has some sort of relationship with him that is not being admitted to here. Why else would she allow him to carry off 15g's worth of animals. Would you allow anyone you didnt know and trust to the fullest to drive away with that much of your money? She did 15 grand so there is obviously more going on here then whats being said.
You also said you've known Anson Wong for 20 years. Does this mean you have done business with him or his wife?
Preior to him being caught smuggling who knows maybe he did, who cares. After wong being caught I really doubt Bob has had anything to do with him much less letting him wander through his facility and drive around with 15g's worth of his animals. You gotta rember Jeff stole albino balls from Bob and is now wandering around Savannas facility.
John email me your number so I can call ya, btw that goofy patterned boa is doing really good.
 
Hey Jason, maybe it wasn't that she trusted him with $15,000 in animals maybe it was that he didn't trust her with $15,000 in animals and that's why he took them to Delta? Kinda give us something to think about, putting myself in all parties shoes that's my feeling.

Also, Jeff owns nothing, at least not until Bob has been paid in full and since we're talking about a felon (I think right) here I would have to say Jeff;s going to do what he can to hide anything he is worth. Bob has all the right in the world to look into it and Savannah filing that court order only makes me think she is hiding something!
 
But Jason he does want THESE (maybe I do own some Casey I'll never tell) snakes, he tried to buy them behind her back.

I can remember something about the original albino Burm. If I can recall it was stolen from a wealthy priate zoo. It ended up on American soil and Bob paid to borrow it and the rest is history. Is that the way it happened I know somebody will remember.

Whats the rule if your not cheating your not trying. Does it only make you a bad guy if you get caught? I guess it all happened so long ago it is alright.

The reptile industry in general is very lucritive and shady. If you want it cleaned up it will have to happen as with the birds. I've had this hobby for a long time and there are good and bad as with all things but sometimes the bad wears a good mask and tries to fool you. You don't get where Bob is by always being Mr. nice guy.

Jon Bant
 
From Savannah's site (http://www.morphspecialties.com/bobharassment1.html) Bold added by me.

Info on me and Miller:
I do know Jeff Miller and I won’t deny it. That has nothing to do with me or my animals or my business. We have several happy customers. We have not once sold an animal where the customer was unhappy. That’s not so with Bob Clark. I can post all emails and the injunction of harassment too. I have proof to back up everything I say, its all true.

Just for the sake of clarification: Do the "we's" refer to you and Jeff Miller, or to Morph Specialities. Grammatically, the antecedant is you and Miller, so if that's not what you intended, then you need to fix it. If it is what you intended, then could you elaborate on the exact nature of your business relationship with Jeff Miller?

(Off Topic: The dwarf burms do look like very cool snakes.)
 
ok first off i went here.....
http://www.cc.state.az.us/index.htm

as far as i can see no corporation listed for savannah semas or morph specialties
.... so yes corporations are public record


Morph Specialties Inc., was started and is owned by me, Savannah Sernas; in the very hot state of Arizona. After a few years of working very hard to obtain the best connections we are finally able to offer you the very best in wild caught morphs.

so then you started obtaining these snakes a few years back at 15 or 16?


i also notices some time line discrepancies in your emails.
 
Can you look into NV and WY corps? I don't think that some seedy fool would be wise enough to choose WY over NV but it's possible. Please if anybody has the time or energy look into weather she's incorporated in NV as I would bet $50 she is.

Who is all the we's by the way?

Also, the responce took a fairly long time for a person acting on their own.
 
Registrant:
Morph Specialties
12856 S. Zuni rd.
Buckeye, Arizona 85326
United States

Registered through: Fat Boy Domains
Domain Name: MORPHSPECIALTIES.COM
Created on: 18-Aug-03
Expires on: 18-Aug-04
Last Updated on: 18-Sep-03

Administrative Contact:
Sernas, Savahhan [email protected]
Morph Specialties
12856 S. Zuni rd.
Buckeye, Arizona 85326
United States
(602) 206-6919

As you can see the domain was just registered, fairly odd for somebody working for years and putting the collection and reputation together. I would assume it was all done for this exact reason.

Bob, I would contact the host of her site and have the hosting pulled, fairly mean but Jeff B did it to me (nice move btw Jeff) and I'm sure they would do it for you as I doubt they wanna deal with the legal issues and I'm sure something in their TOS would keep her from posting the info on this there.
 
NV is a place people start their corps because it's hard to get the info. I don't think you're going to find it on a website as I don't think I could so I thought maybe you had an in.

I will say that Savannah has no criminal record in Maricopa County and I also didn't see anything for Jeffery Miller.
 
Damn! I go fishing for a day and look at all I missed in this thread.

Hopefully this will be short, because I got sunburnt and want to soak in a tub of cool water to draw off all that heat my skin is generating.

I read this entire thread from beginning to end, even the posts I have previously read. The very first thing I noticed that caught my eye was this post from Adam Block.

Bob Clarks collection of mites that have a snake infestation.

That was right out of the blue. What an amazing coincidence that Bob Clark evidently has a large involvement in this thread, and Adam invoked his name on the very first page. Actually, when I saw his Bob Clark's first message I thought certainly he had posted to refute Adam's statement. Which would have been surprising in itself.

Now somewhere along the line, Adam Block flip flopped on which side he was on. Strange, don't you think?

Was this whole thread intended to be a setup? If so, who is the target?

On to other things.

Later on (sorry but this might not be in chronological order), kjun posted this quote.

As of yet, I see suspicion but no proof that the story about Bob and the account refusal are even related. Maybe they are - for a valid reason, I might ad - but just remember that there is NO PROOF that the two incidents are or aren't connected.

What a contrast in opposite ends of logic that statement is! There is no proof of a connection between Bob Clark's threat against Savannah and the subsequent account cancellation she got, yet there was apparently sufficient cause (where's the proof here?) for Jeffie to block Savannah from advertising her animals.

From: "Bob Clark" | Add to Address Book

To: "Savannah"
Subject: morphs webpagege
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:42:07 -0500

Savannah,
Still waiting for you call. Unless I hear from you today I will expose you and Jeff on Kingsnake. Bob Clark

From: "Bob Clark" | Add to Address Book

To: "Savannah"
Subject: Re: morphs webpagege
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:34:31 -0500

Savannah,
If you post an ad to sell anything I will expose your connection to Miller. I think this will not be good for your business. Bob Clark

Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:53:00 -0500
From: "Jeff Barringer"
To:
Subject: Re: 16512 - Secure Online Credit Card Transaction

We are sorry but we will be unable to supply advertising services
to your business.

OK, it is circumstantial, but heck, highly suspicious to see those three statements lined up like they are above. I assume that Savannah did not contact Bob Clark, so did he make good on his threat to expose Savannah on kingsnake? If he did make good on his threat, how did he do that? Isn't it against kingsnake.coms TOS to post negative info about someone in the forums? So what exactly did he do? Talk to Jeffie? Well that certainly seems to be the most logical thing to assume. And if we assume this is the case, what is the only thing Jeffie could have done that would "not be good for your business"?

Fits like a hand in a glove to me, people.

So, not only do we have a situation where Jeffie will ban people that tread on his fragile megalomania ego, that dare to argue with him, or fail to obey his demands about what they do on their own websites, but the evidence in this thread presents a pretty convincing picture that Jeffie will also ban people at the request of those people that may be considered as FOJs (friends of Jeffie).

Surely Bob Clark had no firm evidence in hand when he contacted Jeffie. Otherwise he would have been seeking legal recourse to seize property he felt was owned by Jeff Miller. So acting basically on a hunch or perhaps a gut feeling, Bob Clark went to Jeff Barringer and from all angles of view I have tried, convinced Jeffie to ban the account of an 18 year old girl trying to run a business competing in some fashion with Bob Clark.

Is any of this sinking in yet?

Savannah - if you have not done so, get an attorney. A good one that will be willing to take this case on a contingency basis, if possible. If not, get one anyway. There could be a lot of money in it for him/her when the fee is collected. Obviously both Bob Clark and Jeff Barringer/kingsnake.com have conspired to deprive you of your livelihood based on nothing more than suppositions, conclusion jumping, and perhaps competitive jealousy. The judge you spoke with is already familiar with this situation, so see if an injunction can be filed against kingsnake.com for Jeffies actions in this affair. Personally, I would go for the throat(s) myself. Sell whatever you need to in order to scrape up money for a damned good attorney, because after the courts are finished with this, you will have lots of money to buy everything back, and then some.

Ouch..... I'm heading off for that cool bath....
 
Someone call vegas ....

From the way this is turning out right now this is begging for a "Pay-Per-View" lisiting ... imagine what the numbers the bookies would run on this one will be ?No matter who is wrong or right in this outcome i thinks theres going to be some heads rolling .from what has been posted thus far right now i think i would lay my .02 on Bob's #7 on that round will with all the red&black numbers on it and let Savanah spin it ... but i wont someone "impartial" to drop the pill.



seeing as how she has nothing listed in AZ as a corp. this means two things #1 its not listed there #2 if it is in NV then whats she trying to hide by not lisiting it in her home state of AZ.

Now for the fact That she has readily admitted to everyone she is associated with Mr. miller and we all have grabbed the paper to draw this conclusion ..."What the hell are you thinking" Now i know if i were to have $15K in animals i wouldnt putthem in the hands of a known convicted felon whos specialty was SNAKE THEFT/EXPORTING???? hello is that wheel working or did the hamster fall off?

That would be like letting a KNOWN CONVICTED CRACK HEAD goto the bank with your paycheck!! just aint going to happen like that and if it did you better beleive im going to be the one that opened the door for him at the bank.

If they were to give odds right now by what has been laid on the table i would say that there not looking real good for you Savanah if you are looking to get the vote of the herp community at this point i would do a few things to benifit you claims and do it quick....





  1. Post where you made you corporation legal at
  2. Give names to the other two partners ( there should be three in a corporation i think) there was in the bar buisness i was in a few years ago
  3. give some explanation how a 18 year girl as yourself came into the amount of money it would have taken to get you were you are right now ?
  4. explain how you imported Chondros at the age of 14 or so
  5. and last but not least hope that you casual helper Jeffrie doesnt ruin you for life ....
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Now somewhere along the line, Adam Block flip flopped on which side he was on. Strange, don't you think?

STOP THE PRESS MISTER HAPPY!! Before you go looking so deep into the worm hole when did I flip sides? Far as I know Bob still has a issue with Mites. My side was that BObs a fine guy to buy from with a mite issue, have I said anything to make you feel I thought otherwise?

Jolly man, we're on the same side! I'm the one that owned kingsnakesucks.com and jeffberrangersucks.com, that was NO JOKE! I owned those names, if there is anybody with a stronger dislike for the man I'd be happy to find out. If you read this WHOLE thread you will see me pointing out after Savannahs post the RICO act and how I feel Jeff's in violation of it.

AS FOR THE $15,000 in snakes, as I said, do you think it's that she trusted them with Jeff or that Jeff didn't trust his snakes with her?




1) Post where you made you corporation legal at

2) Give names to the other two partners ( there should be three in a corporation i think) there was in the bar buisness i was in a few years ago

3) give some explanation how a 18 year girl as yourself came into the amount of money it would have taken to get you were you are right now ?


1) I agree, I want to know this as I'm sure it NV.

2) In NV one person corps are allowed.

3) This is none of our business to be honest. Where she's getting the funs has nothing to do with this topic and in my eyes is an invasion of her privacy.

seeing as how she has nothing listed in AZ as a corp. this means two things #1 its not listed there #2 if it is in NV then whats she trying to hide by not lisiting it in her home state of AZ.


I don't have my corp set up in my own State, some reasons are:

1) State taxes, some don't have them others do.

2) One person corps, again not allowed in many States.

3) Sharing info with the IRS, most States do and while I don't care for obvious reasons there are people that do. NV of course has the highest corp audit rate.

4) Shareholders meetings, some States make you hold them in State while other let you go to HI and still write it off on your taxes:)

5) Bearer Bonds, not sure if these really do a lot of good bt the person with them in their hand owns the corp. Makes things pretty easy and hard to track who would really own the assets of a corp.

Point is, while criminals like to have NV corps it doesn't mean cause you have your corp set up there you are one. I wouldn't use or need mine there but it's a good option for a wise business man or somebody looking to cause trouble.
 
There is something nagging me about this thread. So I had to go all the way back to the beginning and reread the messages to try to figure out what that nagging feeling is all about.

The last several messages seem to be bringing up the fact that Savannah entrusted 3 calico retics worth $15,000 to a convicted animal smuggler. Well maybe I missed it in the re-read (which certainly is possible during the bleary-eyed time of the morning it is), but the first time I see anything at all of the VALUE, much less that types of animals involved is on page 9. First Mike Wilbanks (a good friend of Bob Clark's) quotes the figure of $15,000 on the value of those animals. Then two messages down, Bob Clark posts the identification of those animals as being 3 calico retics.

OK, I give up, how was this information known to Bob Clark and Mike Wilbanks? Was Savannah that loose with the information about her sales and customers? I mean, if someone posted here exactly what I shipped out to my customers on Tuesday, I would be rather flabbergasted at them having that sort of information.

Pardon the heck out of me if I just overlooked something obvious. It's late, and I'm hitting the sack.
 
You know what, I'm an idiot, sorry for the typos and I need to just go to bed. I spend time in here just about any time I'm depressed. I shoulda never moved to SC, so I'm working on ANOTHER move but the whole isue now has me depressed. Hence my large amount of time in here.

I know none of you care but it's late and that's my reason for the stupid talk that I think is helping the issue but for some reason always makes me look like the idiot. I'm starting to think I don't come off well with writen word as people like me fine on the phone.

Honest folks, I have good intentions and really do try to help. Yeah yeah, funny and all I'm sure but I do.

Good night,
Mr. blah blah blah
 
Rich, I got the impression that Bob paid off, called in a favor or whatever some underpaid Delta person to give him the info. I assumed it was on the slip for insurance issues but damn good point.

Night, hey why are you still up?
 
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