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Luis Taracena (herphobbiest) bad deal

why

HerpHobbiest said:
Matt,

I spoke with the Pathologist, Dr. Johnson on Friday. in Refards of ID the male Albino for you.

She said for you to e-mail her a few pictures and that she would id the Snake.

You can contact her at [email protected]

Email Subject: "Attn: Dr. Johnson - Re: Specimen # 06-2003."

IMPORTANT: Tell her that you are Matt Crabe.

You can also contact her by phone at 1 (520) 621 2356 Extension 35 for the operator and just ask for Dr Johnson.

I also ask for any updates on the Necropsy and Dr. Johnson said that the snake had a severe case of Salmonela... Now, that is NOT the official result of the Necropsy. She said that there was a few more test to do.

As soon as I get paperwork from the University of Arizona I will post it here.

Regards,
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LUIS,why does Matt have to email her pics for verification? With all the lies you have told so far why should he trust anyone you deal with? Matt i hope someday this gets resolved for you.It would not shock me if LUIS was feeding your snake chicken since it is cheap and he lost his job :rolleyes: .
 
Joe, if you are going to jump in then at least have the common sense to go back and try to comprehend the prior posts. The photo ID is so that the Vet can verify that this boa is Matt's and not one that was substituted by Luis. It was plainly written in a previous post.

Griz

Isn't that kind of like the pot calling the kettle black? Give it a rest.
 
crotalusadamanteus said:
Actually Salmonella is a natural occuring part of a reptiles digestive tract, (if i recolect). They don't need to eat any poultry at all. Lizards Too. :D
Now how it managed to get "severe" seems kinda odd to Me.

http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/70/1/613
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5249a3.htm


Rick
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hi rick,

my captive bred snake was not born with salmonella, it was picked up from eating something that naturally hosts the pathogen... poultry, particularly chickens... carry the pathogen.

it can only be acquired by eating something contaminated, like lettuce, bugs, or chickens. once ingested the bacteria can live in some host's intestine asymptomatically... depending on the host, and the strain of salmonella. the main cause of death associated with salmonella poisining is a combination of septicemia (blood poisoning) and dehydration.

salmonella are a rod shaped, gram-negative bacteria... there are many different kinds of bacteria in this Genus.

the fact that salmonella was identified during necropsy means nothing... unless the snake died from blood poising... which lab work would show ($$$).
 
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Griz said:
Joe, if you are going to jump in then at least have the common sense to go back and try to comprehend the prior posts. The photo ID is so that the Vet can verify that this boa is Matt's and not one that was substituted by Luis. It was plainly written in a previous post.

Griz

Isn't that kind of like the pot calling the kettle black? Give it a rest.
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Bob, the reason i mentioned why should Matt have to send pics to this so called "vet" to verify that she does in fact have his boa,What stops her from lying to Matt? How about her send some pics of the boa she does have in her possesion.Have Matt confirm if indeed she has HIS snake or not.If you possibly can remember in some earlier post Luis did in fact mention he had a friend who was a Vet and "maybe" this person might be that friend.Thank you
 
Bob, the reason i mentioned why should Matt have to send pics to this so called "vet" to verify that she does in fact have his boa,What stops her from lying to Matt? How about her send some pics of the boa she does have in her possesion.
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I really think this vet has better things to do than get into the middle of a squabble between two snake owners. The fact that she has agreed to verify the indentity at all is commendable. IMO if Matt is sending the pics to a University veterinarian as described earlier than he should trust her if she identifies the animal as his. At least he should believe that she is sincere, whether she can actually tell is another issue.
 
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kmurphy said:
I really think this vet has better things to do than get into the middle of a squabble between two snake owners. The fact that she has agreed to verify the indentity at all is commendable. IMO if Matt is sending the pics to a University veterinarian as described earlier than he should trust her if she identifies the animal as his. At least he should believe that she is sincere, whether she can actually tell is another issue.
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I understand what you are saying here.Hopefully this all gets taken care of and Matt can go on.
 
kmurphy said:
I really think this vet has better things to do than get into the middle of a squabble between two snake owners. The fact that she has agreed to verify the indentity at all is commendable. IMO if Matt is sending the pics to a University veterinarian as described earlier than he should trust her if she identifies the animal as his. At least he should believe that she is sincere, whether she can actually tell is another issue.
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I agree and anyone with an ounce of common sense understood this as well. Some people just don't have all of their synapse firing at once I think.

Griz
 
joepythons said:
Bob, the reason i mentioned why should Matt have to send pics to this so called "vet" to verify that she does in fact have his boa,What stops her from lying to Matt? How about her send some pics of the boa she does have in her possesion.Have Matt confirm if indeed she has HIS snake or not.If you possibly can remember in some earlier post Luis did in fact mention he had a friend who was a Vet and "maybe" this person might be that friend.Thank you
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Joe,

I am sorry but if you can not trust the judgement of a professional, licenced pathologist who works at the Arizona Veterinary Diagnostic Laboratory of the University of Arizona...

You probably would not trust your own eyes if you were looking at it!!!

Do you think a professional would risk loosing their license on something so silly?

Joe, If you have doubt, Please call information at 520 555 1212 and ask for listings in Tucson, Arizona for the Arizona Veterinary Diagnostic Laboratory. Call the number and ask for Dr Johnson in regards to Specimen # 06-2003

I would recommend you go back to Post #1 and read all the post thereafter carefully... :raspberry

Have a nice day!!!
 
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HerpHobbiest said:
Joe,

I am sorry but if you can not trust the judgement of a professional, licenced pathologist who works at the Arizona Veterinary Diagnostic Laboratory of the University of Arizona...

You probably would not trust your own eyes if you were looking at it!!!

Do you think a professional would risk loosing their license on something so silly?

Joe, If you have doubt, Please call information at 520 555 1212 and ask for listings in Tucson, Arizona for the Arizona Veterinary Diagnostic Laboratory. Call the number and ask for Dr Johnson in regards to Specimen # 06-2003

I would recommend you go back to Post #1 and read all the post thereafter carefully... :raspberry

Have a nice day!!!
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Believe it or not i have been reading this whole thread daily since it started.It is sad that that poor snake is dead and the whole reptile world may never know exactly what killed it.Is that report ready yet? Matt i hope the best for you and yours.
 
joepythons said:
Believe it or not i have been reading this whole thread daily since it started.It is sad that that poor snake is dead and the whole reptile world may never know exactly what killed it.Is that report ready yet? Matt i hope the best for you and yours.
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Dear, Joe,

Snakes die from lots of different reasons... parasites, wounds, lack of proper husbandry, illness and disease. All them poor snakes, (...and reptiles) that die prematurely from importers and petshops, and in the hands hobbyest, breeders and even zoological collections.

Believe it or not dying is a part of living as all living things die.

As for your question... Is that Necropsy Report posted here yet? I for one have not seen it.

Best Regards,
 
HerpHobbiest said:
Dear, Joe,
Snakes die from lots of different reasons... parasites, wounds, lack of proper husbandry, illness and disease. All them poor snakes, (...and reptiles) that die prematurely from importers and petshops, and in the hands hobbyest, breeders and even zoological collections.
Believe it or not dying is a part of living as all living things die.
As for your question... Is that Necropsy Report posted here yet? I for one have not seen it.
Best Regards,
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Luis, While this true, Death is a part of life, So is doing the right thing,You seem like your stringing this whole thing along for what ever reason,But I like others here would just like for you to get off your Butt, and finish this whole ordeal, So Matt can get what is his and move on and look at this as nothing more then a bad dream. On another Note after all this time all they came up with was Salmonella ???? I don't think so. Come on Luis stop jerking chains and put an end to all of this. Is this really worth the bad press you are getting ??
 
HerpHobbiest said:
Believe it or not dying is a part of living as all living things die.
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All living things DO die eventually, but when it is for reasons that are totally avoidable that is where the problem lies. Not to mention with those that have the ability to blow it off with an, "well, everything dies eventually anyway" attitude. :rolleyes:
 
I too would like to know about the status. You said 7-10 days on 3-30-06. Today is like day 13. You have not offered an explanation for the delay either, so people are likely to question You about it. :>poke2<:

I am still holding 2 ball pythons. And speaking just for Me, it would be kinda nice to know what the deal is so I can do My part in this matter.


Thanks,
Rick
 
crotalusadamanteus said:
I too would like to know about the status. You said 7-10 days on 3-30-06. Today is like day 13. You have not offered an explanation for the delay either, so people are likely to question You about it. :>poke2<:

I am still holding 2 ball pythons. And speaking just for Me, it would be kinda nice to know what the deal is so I can do My part in this matter.


Thanks,
Rick
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7 to 10 business days... However, I just got an e-mail stating that results are in the mail.

[QUOTE="AzVDL" <[email protected]>]
Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:47:22 -0700
Mr. Taracena--

Dr. Bradley and I reviewed the microscope slides from the snake you submitted for necropsy on 3/30/06. Microscopic changes in the intestine were consistent with Salmonella infection as the cause of diarrhea and death of the snake. We cultured large numbers of Salmonella organisms from the liver, and I saw many bacteria in the blood vessels of all organs suggesting that the bacterial infection had gone systemic. I am finalizing the report, and you should have a copy in the mail in the next few days.

Thank you,

Dr. Johnson
Arizona Veterinary Diagnostic Lab
(520) 621-2356

[/QUOTE]


Once I get the results they are going to James L. Jarchow, D.V.M.

Sonora Animal Hospital
401 West Simmons Road
Tucson, AZ 85705
Tel: (520) 888-8988

http://www.svg-vets.com/ said:
Dr. Jarchow is a 1971 graduate of The Ohio State University School of Veterinary Medicine. In 1972 he moved to Tucson, closer to the native desert reptile species in which he is interested. Dr Jarchow is a consulting veterinarian for the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum and Reid Park Zoo. He is also an Adjunct Associate Professor in the Veterinary Science Department of the University of Arizona, participating in research projects focusing on reptiles and amphibians. Dr. Jarchow has served on the Board of Directors of the Tucson Herpetological Society and spends his free time hiking in the desert near his home.
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Regards, Luis T.
 
Why

Why are you sending the results to another vet? So you can prolong this matter for a while longer? :toiletcla
 
OK, let's assume the Vet report is accurate.... The Doctor left out the MOST IMPORTANT PART.... This missing part is the CRUX of this whole thing....

WHEN did the snake contract Salmonella??

Neil
 
I have sent this quote to my own vet for an interpretation,

and would enjoy a resolution the the issues in this thread.
Dr. Bradley and I reviewed the microscope slides from the snake you submitted for necropsy on 3/30/06. Microscopic changes in the intestine were consistent with Salmonella infection as the cause of diarrhea and death of the snake. We cultured large numbers of Salmonella organisms from the liver, and I saw many bacteria in the blood vessels of all organs suggesting that the bacterial infection had gone systemic. I am finalizing the report, and you should have a copy in the mail in the next few days.

Thank you,

Dr. Johnson
Arizona Veterinary Diagnostic Lab
(520) 621-2356
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I am only questioning how one cultures frozen salmonella from anything, liver, kidneys, etc. There are other terms that can be used to describe a finding of salmonella in a frozen snake, but "culture" is not one of them. I can understanding culturing salmonella from the imagination of a frozen snake, but that's about the only place. What I am missing? Help me someone. I am sending this quote to my own vet. Maybe he will enlighten me.
 
Just a couple more thoughts. MD's and Vet's are usually very specific and accurate about the words they use. Not a whole lot of "slang" or laziness in word choice. Also, if this was from a frozen snake, wasn't it frozen for weeks? And lest anyone never have tested, most freezers chill to about 19 degree F or colder. Most organisms have to be sub 25 degrees minimum to feeze solid, so we're not talking about 31 degree slush here. If I have a kick in the teeth coming on this, kick away. Something stinks in Denmark to me.
 
Salmonella, if present before freezing will stay frozen and not grow until it is defrosted, at that point salmonella will pick up were it left off and continue to grow. A culture will devlope if something is present. Salmonella can be present in snakes at birth, it has been found in the uterus of gravid females and can be passed during parturition.
 
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